Anthropogenic global warming? Fact or fiction?

Do you agree with the science that man-induced global warming via an increase in greenhouse gases is true? Why or why not? I myself know it to be true as it is based off of one of the most fundamental aspects of climate science, that being the greenhouse effect. What are your opinions?

What would it take you to change your mind?

Same thing happened on Venus. Was a beautiful planet until their people started driving SUVs. Now it's a greenhouse gas wasteland.

Same thing happened on Venus. Was a beautiful planet until their people started driving SUVs. Now it's a greenhouse gas wasteland.

sonicare

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Same thing happened on Venus. Was a beautiful planet until their people started driving SUVs. Now it's a greenhouse gas wasteland.

I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.sonicare

Fact: CO2 and other greenhouse gasses trap sunlight.

Fact: Greenhouse gas emissions have increased enourmously since the industrial revolution.

People can nitpick and argue over small issues they have with other parts of global warming science, but in the end it all comes back t those two facts that they can't get around.

Haven't researched enough to have an informed opinion.

And I don't care to because climate science is absurdly boring to me.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Same thing happened on Venus. Was a beautiful planet until their people started driving SUVs. Now it's a greenhouse gas wasteland.

sonicare

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.sonicare

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.sonicare

The CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is currently standing at about 392 parts per million. The Methane concentration of the atmosphere currently stands at about 1.4 parts per million.

Coal plants, factories, etc. release GHG emissions. GHGs contribute to global warming. Seems pretty logical to me.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I see. Oddly many people argue exactly what you said and do it seriously.

funsohng

Here is the problem with the global warming debate (I think man has effects but not nearly as large as what is projected). It is such a corporate driven science you can't find exact truth any more. Everyone is getting their paychecks from either : Oil corps: Global warming is not happening. New age fuels: Global warming is happening and happening fast. There is not very much actual neutral science being done on it, if at all. It is a sad debate. This debate should have been over and done with a long time ago but nobody just gets together for the science and experimentation of it any more, they just go with the option that pays them the money. There are many facts and what we do to the Earth at the moment is pretty atrocious and I am all for change but how much we actually affect the process of global warming is a mystery.Human-after-all

http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~fuessel/download/cc08_published.pdf

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/sst/papers/Merged.Recon.v8.pdf

and so on.

There is also continuous satellite measurements and ground based measurements of ice mass, downward longwave radiation, outbound longwave radiation, atmospheric CO2 concentration, etc...

These are all ongoing studies.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Here is the problem with the global warming debate (I think man has effects but not nearly as large as what is projected). It is such a corporate driven science you can't find exact truth any more. Everyone is getting their paychecks from either : Oil corps: Global warming is not happening. New age fuels: Global warming is happening and happening fast. There is not very much actual neutral science being done on it, if at all. It is a sad debate. This debate should have been over and done with a long time ago but nobody just gets together for the science and experimentation of it any more, they just go with the option that pays them the money. There are many facts and what we do to the Earth at the moment is pretty atrocious and I am all for change but how much we actually affect the process of global warming is a mystery.BumFluff122

http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~fuessel/download/cc08_published.pdf

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/sst/papers/Merged.Recon.v8.pdf

and so on.

There is also continuous satellite measurements and ground based measurements of ice mass, downward longwave radiation, outbound longwave radiation, atmospheric CO2 concentration, etc...

These are all ongoing studies.

its BS

Honestly, liberals are so heavy-handed about it that I couldn't care less anymore.

On one hand it sounds troubling, and on the other it sounds like a BS scheme to make us buy certain things and pay more taxes to support the government.

I have energy efficient lightbulbs in my entire apartment. That's as far as I'm willing to go.

Yes I know there is science... What we don't know is whether or not humans have a large or small impact. We know the Earth is warming on its own what we don't know is how much humans are accelerating the process. I am interested in that paper though, this field isn't my thing.

Human-after-all

On the other hand the mesosphere and lower thermosphere are cooling while the troposphere is warming indicating an internal reason for the warming. On top of that measurements of CO2 concentration are up to 390ppm (parts per million) while measurements of outgoing radiation at CO2 absorption wavelengths are decreasing substantially and measurements of downward radiation at those same wavelengths is increasing. The main absorption frequency of CO2 and the greenhouse effect is centered at about 15 micrometers. This is near the peak of Earth's black-body emission spectrum and is the reason why increases and decreases of CO2, the second most abundant greenhouse gas aside from water vapour, are responsible for major warming and cooling trends. The atmospheric concentration of CO2 is rising at a rate of about 15 gigatonnes per year. Human emission account for about 30 gigatonnes per year.

Honestly, liberals are so heavy-handed about it that I couldn't care less anymore.

On one hand it sounds troubling, and on the other it sounds like a BS scheme to make us buy certain things and pay more taxes to support the government.

I have energy efficient lightbulbs in my entire apartment. That's as far as I'm willing to go.

airshocker

Why does what liberals think about it at all affect your opinion on it? :?

Do I believe in Global Warming Yes.

Man Made I dont know.

but you have to be careful with global warming. Lots of things that are supposed to be for the environment are really just excuses to make people's wallets fatter *cough* Cap and Trade *cough*

Why does what liberals think about it at all affect your opinion on it? :?

chessmaster1989

Because I only hear about it from liberals and liberal media. And it comes attached with sayings like "THE END IS NIGH" or "KILL PEOPLE, NOT PLANTS". To be honest I don't know if they've actually said the second thing, but it's plausible!

Seriously, just leave me the f*** alone when it comes to climate-related issues. I have environment-friendly lightbulbs, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? And I recycle, but only because the wife forces me to!

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Why does what liberals think about it at all affect your opinion on it? :?

airshocker

Because I only hear about it from liberals and liberal media. And it comes attached with sayings like "THE END IS NIGH" or "KILL PEOPLE, NOT PLANTS". To be honest I don't know if they've actually said the second thing, but it's plausible!

Seriously, just leave me the f*** alone when it comes to climate-related issues. I have environment-friendly lightbulbs, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? And I recycle, but only because the wife forces me to!

- Only "liberals" talk about it because "conservatives" are in the oil companies pockets.

- You changed your lightbulbs? I love your commitment man.

I'm not going to deny it's man made, or that it's not happening, but what I will say is that scientifically we don't understand what is going on. Pay attention to the changes in our co2 emission, and the changes the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

Pre-industrial co2 levels were at 270ppm according to ice core samples.

In the 1960's co2 levels hit 330ppm and our co2 output STEADILY rose 3 million metric tons.

In 2010 co2 levels hit 390ppm but our co2 output had increased to 9 million metric tons.

So despite having tripled our co2 output our co2 levels have only doubled. Obviously something else is going on.

I believe in it. I just find it sad when people dismiss or accept this event to back their own agendas.

I believe that humanity's increasing industrialization has an effect on our global climate, yes, and that that impact is only going to become more severe as we become more advanced.

That said, the moral implications of that theory (recycle as much as possible, do not waste; etc) would hold true regardless of whether or not global warming was a real and significant phenomenon.

Do I believe in Global Warming Yes.

Man Made I dont know.

but you have to be careful with global warming. Lots of things that are supposed to be for the environment are really just excuses to make people's wallets fatter *cough* Cap and Trade *cough*

gangstaa9

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1085

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Why does what liberals think about it at all affect your opinion on it? :?

airshocker

Because I only hear about it from liberals and liberal media. And it comes attached with sayings like "THE END IS NIGH" or "KILL PEOPLE, NOT PLANTS". To be honest I don't know if they've actually said the second thing, but it's plausible!

Seriously, just leave me the f*** alone when it comes to climate-related issues. I have environment-friendly lightbulbs, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? And I recycle, but only because the wife forces me to!

Yes, recycling is such a hassle. :roll:

- Only "liberals" talk about it because "conservatives" are in the oil companies pockets.

- You changed your lightbulbs? I love your commitment man.

worlock77

My lightbulbs have been this way for years. I don't mind buying things when they make sense and will have a tangible benefit on my life.

Paying ten dollars a gallon for gas and who knows what to heat my apartment is not something I'm going to buy into.

Yes, recycling is such a hassle. :roll:

chessmaster1989

It actually is in New York.

I'm not going to deny it's man made, or that it's not happening, but what I will say is that scientifically we don't understand what is going on. Pay attention to the changes in our co2 emission, and the changes the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

Pre-industrial co2 levels were at 270ppm according to ice core samples.

In the 1960's co2 levels hit 330ppm and our co2 output STEADILY rose 3 million metric tons.

In 2010 co2 levels hit 390ppm but our co2 output had increased to 9 million metric tons.

So despite having tripled our co2 output our co2 levels have only doubled. Obviously something else is going on.

jrhawk42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

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Yes, recycling is such a hassle. :roll:

airshocker

It actually is in New York.

I highly doubt it'll take more than a few extra minutes per week. Deal with it.

I highly doubt it'll take more than a few extra minutes per week. Deal with it.

chessmaster1989

No it's not that. It just doesn't get picked up like it's supposed to. And then I have to run it to the recycling plant when they forget it.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

- Only "liberals" talk about it because "conservatives" are in the oil companies pockets.

- You changed your lightbulbs? I love your commitment man.

airshocker

My lightbulbs have been this way for years. I don't mind buying things when they make sense and will have a tangible benefit on my life.

Paying ten dollars a gallon for gas and who knows what to heat my apartment is not something I'm going to buy into.

Hate to break this to you, but unless we get real serious about curbing our fossil fuel consumption real soon it won't be too long until gas is $10 gallon regardless. Climate change aside we only have so much of the stuff and it's gonna start running out.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I highly doubt it'll take more than a few extra minutes per week. Deal with it.

airshocker

No it's not that. It just doesn't get picked up like it's supposed to. And then I have to run it to the recycling plant when they forget it.

That sounds like an issue with you waste disposal company. If you're able to I suggest switching. Might not be able to though, as some places give a monopoly to such companies (free market FTL apparently).

I am inclined to think that it is real. Not sold on directly curbing carbon emissions. I don't see a tangible payoff equal to the losses. Incentivising development for cleaner energy sources seems like it could be reasonable.

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I'm not going to deny it's man made, or that it's not happening, but what I will say is that scientifically we don't understand what is going on. Pay attention to the changes in our co2 emission, and the changes the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

Pre-industrial co2 levels were at 270ppm according to ice core samples.

In the 1960's co2 levels hit 330ppm and our co2 output STEADILY rose 3 million metric tons.

In 2010 co2 levels hit 390ppm but our co2 output had increased to 9 million metric tons.

So despite having tripled our co2 output our co2 levels have only doubled. Obviously something else is going on.

BumFluff122

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

This doesn't explain the changes in co2 output and its levels in the atmosphere, unless the ocean wasn't absorbing as much co2 during the industrial revolution.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.BumFluff122

I believe cutting down trees and dumping waste into the Ocean is bad. We also should re-use stuff more, but I also know the solar fluctuations of the sun not only affect Satellite transmissions but they can affect Heat patterns on the Earth as well.

People fail to realize that "Going Green" is a Trillion dollar trend, and just like the latest Smartphone, is marketed heavily to make more profit.

That sounds like an issue with you waste disposal company. If you're able to I suggest switching. Might not be able to though, as some places give a monopoly to such companies (free market FTL apparently).

worlock77

State contracts FTL.

They sell the contracts to the cheapest waste disposal company out there and half the time the **** doesn't get picked up.

I believe in a link between CO2 emissions and rising temperatures (of course I do, it's a fact). However, I'm pretty sure not even the most intelligent climatologists know what exactly is going on, as it isn't a linear relationship. That said, it is clear that we must limit our emission of CO2 and other "greenhouse gases".

This doesn't explain the changes in co2 output and its levels in the atmosphere, unless the ocean wasn't absorbing as much co2 during the industrial revolution.

jrhawk42

Basically, normally CO2 goes one way during a warming period. Now however it's going the other way due to increases in atmospheric concentration brought on by the burning of fossil fuels and carbon emissions.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]I'm not saying global warming is false. . . . . I believe I was making a jest. . . . . . You know, humor? It is a good remedy for those who take themselves too seriously.Agent-Zero

I believe cutting down trees and dumping waste into the Ocean is bad. We also should re-use stuff more, but I also know the solar fluctuations of the sun not only affect Satellite transmissions but they can affect Heat patterns on the Earth as well.

People fail to realize that "Going Green" is a Trillion dollar trend, and just like the latest Smartphone, is marketed heavily to make more profit.

IntenseGamingAZ

I believe in a link between CO2 emissions and rising temperatures (of course I do, it's a fact). However, I'm pretty sure not even the most intelligent climatologists know what exactly is going on, as it isn't a linear relationship. That said, it is clear that we must limit our emission of CO2 and other "greenhouse gases".

SgtKevali

Fact: CO2 and other greenhouse gasses trap sunlight.

Fact: Greenhouse gas emissions have increased enourmously since the industrial revolution.

People can nitpick and argue over small issues they have with other parts of global warming science, but in the end it all comes back t those two facts that they can't get around.

theone86