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#1 Mr_sprinkles
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7704636.stm my faith in America has been somewhat restored.
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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

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My faith has further been destroyed.
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That's degragatory towards country folk. The UK is racist.
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#5 Mr_sprinkles
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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

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It's not so much that he's voting for obama, it's that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about, and that when asked "why are you voting for obama" his answer didn't start with "Because McCain..."
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It's not so much that he's voting for obama, it's that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about, and that when asked "why are you voting for obama" his answer didn't start with "Because McCain..."Mr_sprinkles
And? Are you saying the UK has a habit of generalizing Americans as not caring about the issues? That's not true.:|

Anyway....neither candidate is good.

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Well, it atleast shows us that some rednecks aren't all extremely stupid.
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Well good for him.
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Lmao! He's voting for Obama?! I swear I saw him signing autographs at McCain rallys on TV.. I guess he wants 10 minutes of fame instead of 5..
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] It's not so much that he's voting for obama, it's that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about, and that when asked "why are you voting for obama" his answer didn't start with "Because McCain..."LJS9502_basic

And? Are you saying the UK has a habit of generalizing Americans as not caring about the issues? That's not true.:|

Anyway....neither candidate is good.

I dunno, I didn't really make this thread with any sort of argument in mind. Perhaps too much mysterylobster and trashface has unfairly altered what pops into my head when I think of "American on politics"

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Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

LJS9502_basic

Wow, someone's disillusioned.

And while I can't legally vote, I'm with you in spirit, so I expect to be invited.

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#13 Englando_IV
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Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Theokhoth

Joe The Plumber's not an idiot because he supports McCain. Just for the other reasons.

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Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Theokhoth
A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

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A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Theokhoth

A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

He was being interviewed today, and said he's never in his life made six figures. He's worked hard for what he has, and is a great example of American entrepeneurism, but Obama doesn't care about people like him.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Theokhoth

A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

He does. He said Obama would tax him more, so he must be earning over $250,000 a year. The average wage in the US in 2007 was $40,405, which is about 16% of Joe the Plumber's salary. You can't recover today's economy without redistributing some wealth. And I'm not talking about socialism, I'm talking about a structured income-based tax system. He should pay more taxes than someone who earns $40k a year, because he earns $250k a year. Its not punishing his success, its helping others. And being selfish, and not helping the poorer (or those who are actually average) in times like these, will hinder the economy as well as individual lives.
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Theokhoth

A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

One way or another the government needs money to run. So money that is earned will be taxed and taken. It's inevitable.
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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

LJS9502_basic

if only i were 18...the things we could accomplish

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And it is also not fair for the government to completely neglect certain neighbourhoods, and force poor people to work second jobs miles away from where they live. The least they can do is charge them lower taxes than those who can easily afford it.Bourbons3

Nobody's proposing that, but invoking a form of class wars just because "they can afford it" is immoral. The economy should be fixed without having to take assloads of money from "people who can afford it" and giving it away to people who can't.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]And it is also not fair for the government to completely neglect certain neighbourhoods, and force poor people to work second jobs miles away from where they live. The least they can do is charge them lower taxes than those who can easily afford it.Theokhoth

Nobody's proposing that, but invoking a form of class wars just because "they can afford it" is immoral. The economy should be fixed without having to take assloads of money from "people who can afford it" and giving it away to people who can't.

You are under the false assumption that all the money the government generates is given to people. This is not the case.:|
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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

LJS9502_basic

My vote's for Obama, but it'd be hilarious if the OTers got an electoral vote. I guess San Francisco would be the place for everyone to vote, since that's where all these gaming-related sites are based.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]And it is also not fair for the government to completely neglect certain neighbourhoods, and force poor people to work second jobs miles away from where they live. The least they can do is charge them lower taxes than those who can easily afford it.Theokhoth

Nobody's proposing that, but invoking a form of class wars just because "they can afford it" is immoral. The economy should be fixed without having to take assloads of money from "people who can afford it" and giving it away to people who can't.

To most people, Joe the Plumber earns assloads of money. $250k is a hell of a lot of money to most people, especially those struggling to hold down two jobs and raise two kids. His taxes will not directly subsidise poorer families. But it will go in to the government's funding for public spending, amongst other things. And that will help a lot more people, rather than sit in his bank account and earn him interest he doesn't need.
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I like how if he votes for the democrat he's "Smart" and gets praise "Good for Him" but if he votes for republican he's "Stupid and Common" and who says that there the most 'accepting' 'generous' and 'understanding' party, how hypocritical
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Bourbons3

A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

He does. He said Obama would tax him more, so he must be earning over $250,000 a year. The average wage in the US in 2007 was $40,405, which is about 16% of Joe the Plumber's salary. You can't recover today's economy without redistributing some wealth. And I'm not talking about socialism, I'm talking about a structured income-based tax system. He should pay more taxes than someone who earns $40k a year, because he earns $250k a year. Its not punishing his success, its helping others. And being selfish, and not helping the poorer (or those who are actually average) in times like these, will hinder the economy as well as individual lives.

Obama's tax plans is one of the things I don't agree with. I don't agree with McCain's eiter though. If everyone is paying the same percentage of taxes then people who earn more will pay more taxes. But it is proportion. That is the way it should be. I believe that companies should be taxed at a higher rate to take care of the poor b/c most of those companies get their money from the people that buy their products. Some of that money should go back to the community that supports it. That is why I have a problem when big buisnesses get tax breaks given to them.

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Obama's tax plans is one of the things I don't agree with. I don't agree with McCain's eiter though. If everyone is paying the same percentage of taxes then people who earn more will pay more taxes. But it is proportion. That is the way it should be. I believe that companies should be taxed at a higher rate to take care of the poor b/c most of those companies get their money from the people that buy their products. Some of that money should go back to the community that supports it. That is why I have a problem when big buisnesses get tax breaks given to them. Correyov31
You just explained Obama's tax plan.... It is nothing more than a graduated income tax that has been blown out of porportion by McCain and sons into Socialism. LAWL
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]And it is also not fair for the government to completely neglect certain neighbourhoods, and force poor people to work second jobs miles away from where they live. The least they can do is charge them lower taxes than those who can easily afford it.Bourbons3

Nobody's proposing that, but invoking a form of class wars just because "they can afford it" is immoral. The economy should be fixed without having to take assloads of money from "people who can afford it" and giving it away to people who can't.

To most people, Joe the Plumber earns assloads of money. $250k is a hell of a lot of money to most people, especially those struggling to hold down two jobs and raise two kids. His taxes will not directly subsidise poorer families. But it will go in to the government's funding for public spending, amongst other things. And that will help a lot more people, rather than sit in his bank account and earn him interest he doesn't need.

You're not understanding me; unless he bought his business and it's already making a ton of money, Joe the Plumber DOES NOT make 250k a year. He only made 40k in 2006! Joe the Plumber is in the bracket that would supposedly benefit from Obama's plan!

Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money? Because it may help them?

Take this scenario: if I ask my rich friend, "You want to donate some money to that soup kitchen?" And he says "No," then is it morally permissible of me to take some money (say, fifty dollars) from his wallet and give it to the soup kitchen without his consent? After all, he doesn't need the money.:|

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Plumber supports McCain: Idiot.

Redneck supports Obama: Hero.

:roll:

Bourbons3

A plumber who earns over $250,000 a year being branded as 'the middle man' is more stupid. Most people don't earn anywhere near that amount of money. He earns an above-average salary, and he should be taxed accordingly.

As far as I'm aware, Joe the Plumber does not make that much money. Even if he does, why tax it away from him? It's not fair to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not. It's forced charity.

He does. He said Obama would tax him more, so he must be earning over $250,000 a year.

:lol:

Joe the Plumber said he was planning on starting a small business that would make more than $250k a year; NOT that he was already making that much!:lol: He was saying to Obama, "So, if I do, will I be in your bracket?"

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Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money?Theokhoth
He isn't taking from the rich and giving to the poor. He is simply using a graduated income tax to have a fair, porportional ammount of taxes from all the citizenry instead of placing an undue burden on a single class. That money will then be redistributed through government innitiatives. That money isn't going into the bank accounts of the poor.
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[QUOTE="Correyov31"]Obama's tax plans is one of the things I don't agree with. I don't agree with McCain's eiter though. If everyone is paying the same percentage of taxes then people who earn more will pay more taxes. But it is proportion. That is the way it should be. I believe that companies should be taxed at a higher rate to take care of the poor b/c most of those companies get their money from the people that buy their products. Some of that money should go back to the community that supports it. That is why I have a problem when big buisnesses get tax breaks given to them. Vandalvideo
You just explained Obama's tax plan.... It is nothing more than a graduated income tax that has been blown out of porportion by McCain and sons into Socialism. LAWL

From what I understand Obama wants to tax those over 250k at a higher rate than those who make less than that. I could be wrong and I by no means believe that he is a socialist. I think that is just what conservatist want to label him as to take away votes. He is just very very liberal which makes this election difficult for me. And I am very liberal so that is saying alot.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money?Vandalvideo
He isn't taking from the rich and giving to the poor. He is simply using a graduated income tax to have a fair, porportional ammount of taxes from all the citizenry instead of placing an undue burden on a single class. That money will then be redistributed through government innitiatives. That money isn't going into the bank accounts of the poor.

I'm not saying that it will; however it will be spent in the interest of the poor instead of the poor's money, yes?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money?Vandalvideo
He isn't taking from the rich and giving to the poor. He is simply using a graduated income tax to have a fair, porportional ammount of taxes from all the citizenry instead of placing an undue burden on a single class. That money will then be redistributed through government innitiatives. That money isn't going into the bank accounts of the poor.

I already informed him that tax dollars are not unilaterally given to people in huge amounts. He choose not to respond so I take it he had no answer.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money?LJS9502_basic
He isn't taking from the rich and giving to the poor. He is simply using a graduated income tax to have a fair, porportional ammount of taxes from all the citizenry instead of placing an undue burden on a single class. That money will then be redistributed through government innitiatives. That money isn't going into the bank accounts of the poor.

I already informed him that tax dollars are not unilaterally given to people in huge amounts. He choose not to respond so I take it he had no answer.

If you'd kindly look above your post. . .

How about letting me speak for myself, hm?;)

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I'm not saying that it will; however it will be spent in the interest of the poor instead of the poor's money, yes?

Theokhoth
Defense of the country benefits all citizens. Highway funds benefit all citizens. Education benefits all citizens. Are you saying no government programs benefit the wealthy?
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Not a huge amount of people struggle to hold two jobs and raise two kids, and again, why is it moral to play Robin Hood and give them money?Vandalvideo
He isn't taking from the rich and giving to the poor. He is simply using a graduated income tax to have a fair, porportional ammount of taxes from all the citizenry instead of placing an undue burden on a single class. That money will then be redistributed through government innitiatives. That money isn't going into the bank accounts of the poor.

Depends on what you define as giving by taking more from Rich and less from poor your technically giving them the money they would be paying under a tax all equally deal.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I already informed him that tax dollars are not unilaterally given to people in huge amounts. He choose not to respond so I take it he had no answer.Theokhoth

If you'd kindly look above your post. . .

How about letting me speak for myself, hm?;)

How about reading my post. I was referring to the two posts I addressed to you in this thread that you DID NOT respond to...in effect...NOT speaking for yourself, hm?;)
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Depends on what you define as giving by taking more from Rich and less from poor your technically giving them the money they would be paying under a tax all equally deal.mechwarrior_bob
You're not technically "Giving" them anything. All you're doing is "taking" more from a class that has been portitionally "giving" less. That money isn't being transfered AT ALL.
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I'm not saying that it will; however it will be spent in the interest of the poor instead of the poor's money, yes?Theokhoth
It will be spent in the interest of everyone; every child, every grandma, every person.
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Meh. Politicians are all the same. Different presentation. Same outcome.

Write in vote for Tuesday.....LJS9502_basic. All OTers win a huge party in the White House.>__>

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LJ, why the pessimism. Why not wait until at least a year or two in?