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There used to be a whole truckload of Satanists on here. They spent 3/4 of their posts dispelling myths that their religion involved drinking goat blood and sacrificing small children.FragStainsyeah, they really ruined satanism for me.
I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.
However, just say we really did live in this world of opposites, Heaven and Hell. I'll go over to the dark side. The reason is, I have a troubling nature which will make it difficult for me to follow that 10 commandment code. I'll just be a failed Christian and end up in Hell anyway, where the Devil has his field day on me. However if I devote myself to him with my life, i'll do it in the hopes of being granted his favor. With Hell on your side you have nothing left to fear.
[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.
Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.
vlin1108
I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.
I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.
[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.
Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.
-Jiggles-
I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.
I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.
In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.
[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.
vlin1108
I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.
In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.
I see. I might look up a summary of the book sometime in the future; my family would probably get the wrong impression if I came home with the devil's holy book in my grasp.
Granted that one doesn't get to heaven for his good works, nor does one gets sentenced to hell for doing bad deeds. I have trouble following all of the 10 commandments as well such as lust, and disrespecting my parents. Since you said Christian, most Christians would tell you (myself included) that works will not save you, but a believing faith in Christ. What you just described about going to hell for you works and deeds would describe every other world religion out there.I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.
However, just say we really did live in this world of opposites, Heaven and Hell. I'll go over to the dark side. The reason is, I have a troubling nature which will make it difficult for me to follow that 10 commandment code. I'll just be a failed Christian and end up in Hell anyway, where the Devil has his field day on me. However if I devote myself to him with my life, i'll do it in the hopes of being granted his favor. With Hell on your side you have nothing left to fear.
TristanShand
i never post in religion threads but the title made me lol.
and no im not a satanist. agnostic. but thanks for asking.
Good point....and to answer the question no.I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.TristanShand
In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.vlin1108Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :)
[QUOTE="monsterslash"]screw religion all together, takes up too much timeVfanekLaveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.
so where?
[QUOTE="monsterslash"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] Laveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.Vfanek
so where?
Not here.over there?
[QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.michaelP4Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :) Satanism does also, however, oppose worshipping deities, right? You probably know this better than I do since you have a blog about The Satanic Bible and all. In any case, the point I was trying to illustrate was that those who follow LaVey's philosophy do not worship Satan, but merely use him as a symbol for their beliefs.
[QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.michaelP4Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :) He doesn't state that he chose the name "Satan" partly because its' recognized, and controversial. There is a deeper meaning behind it, but I highly doubt that the publicity by calling it "Satanism" and naming his 'church' "Church of Satan". Satanism is the modern Thelema. Nothing more, nothing less.
[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.vlin1108Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :) Satanism does also, however, oppose worshipping deities, right? You probably know this better than I do since you have a blog about The Satanic Bible and all. In any case, the point I was trying to illustrate was that those who follow LaVey's philosophy do not worship Satan, but merely use him as a symbol for their beliefs. Satanism doesn't directly 'oppose' anything. If anyone wants to worship anything, they (Satanists) believe that it's their own problem. They're not going to waste their lives living under a false deity, nor under the restrictions of the moral codes set by religions. You're right that they use him as a symbol for their beliefs, "The Adversary" is the direct translation (if memory serves me right). But that they would use the same symbolism as any devil worshiping cult is a tad bit ridiculous.
Not here :|MKLOL
Oh no? Ask all the parents here if they've ever told their kids about "Santa". Open and shut case.
May I ask why you are no longer a LaVeyan Satanist? Although I'm not an open LaVeyan Satanist, I would classify myself as being one by definition.michaelP4
I still loosely follow the core ideas behind it, but it's just that there's certain beliefs entailed within the ideology that makes it such that I wouldn't lump myself into the following as I once did.
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