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#1 CosmicSavant
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There seem to be a lot of Atheists and Christians, so are there any Satanists?
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#2 MKLOL
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Not here :|
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#3 redwolf22
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By Satanists you mean.....?

(Edit: Wikied it. So you mean people who consider themselves anti-christian, or worship the enemy of god, or believe in themselves, or have some desire to be different (rock bands etc)....? Help :|)

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#4 FragStains
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There used to be a whole truckload of Satanists on here. They spent 3/4 of their posts dispelling myths that their religion involved drinking goat blood and sacrificing small children.
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#5 Overrated_Hero
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There's a whole union dedicated to satanism but the only one I know who comes here is cptjacksparrow
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#6 Choga
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What kind of Satanism? LeVeyan Satanism or theistic Satanism?

EDIT: Or anti-cosmic Satanism?

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#7 -Jiggles-
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Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.

Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.

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#8 michaelP4
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I actually just finished reading Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible, and it was certainly worth reading and to be quite honest, I can't say there's one point I disagree with. And it seems like I always have been a Satanist, in the definition of not believing in God or Satan, but believing in yourself. :)
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#9 chessmaster1989
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Considering I don't believe in God, it would be a little hard for me to worship his enemy, now wouldn't it? Short answer: no.
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#10 -Makaveli-
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Yes
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#11 Vfanek
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I doubt there'll be any theistic Satanists here, but I'm sure there was a LaVeyan board not too long ago. The active OT satanists are banned though. Ironically there will be people who more or less follow the philosophy of LaVey without knowing it, but that's another story.
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#12 vlin1108
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Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.

Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.

-Jiggles-

I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.

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#13 LoG-Sacrament
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There used to be a whole truckload of Satanists on here. They spent 3/4 of their posts dispelling myths that their religion involved drinking goat blood and sacrificing small children.FragStains
yeah, they really ruined satanism for me.
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#14 -Makaveli-
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]I doubt there'll be any theistic Satanists here, but I'm sure there was a LaVeyan board not too long ago. The active OT satanists are banned though. Ironically there will be people who more or less follow the philosophy of LaVey without knowing it, but that's another story.

Not all of them.
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#15 TristanShand
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I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.

However, just say we really did live in this world of opposites, Heaven and Hell. I'll go over to the dark side. The reason is, I have a troubling nature which will make it difficult for me to follow that 10 commandment code. I'll just be a failed Christian and end up in Hell anyway, where the Devil has his field day on me. However if I devote myself to him with my life, i'll do it in the hopes of being granted his favor. With Hell on your side you have nothing left to fear.

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#16 -Jiggles-
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[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.

Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.

vlin1108

I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.

I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.

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#17 -Sun_Tzu-
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I don't even believe in Satan, so no.
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#18 krazykillaz
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Not here :|MKLOL
Actually there are. There's a union for it.
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#19 vlin1108
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Sorry, I don't believe that Satan exists.

Even if he did, I wouldn't praise him.

-Jiggles-

I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.

I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.

In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.

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#20 Parandrus
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I don't believe there's many still around. As someone else said there used to be many.
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#21 -Jiggles-
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[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

I wouldn't say that most people that consider themselves satanists really believe in Satan. Maybe they like Hellboy, but not Satan.

vlin1108

I know little about Satanism, so I would assume that they don't directly believe in Satan, but probably the ideas he supposedly spread throughout the world.

In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.

I see. I might look up a summary of the book sometime in the future; my family would probably get the wrong impression if I came home with the devil's holy book in my grasp.

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#22 Saxsoon
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I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.

However, just say we really did live in this world of opposites, Heaven and Hell. I'll go over to the dark side. The reason is, I have a troubling nature which will make it difficult for me to follow that 10 commandment code. I'll just be a failed Christian and end up in Hell anyway, where the Devil has his field day on me. However if I devote myself to him with my life, i'll do it in the hopes of being granted his favor. With Hell on your side you have nothing left to fear.

TristanShand
Granted that one doesn't get to heaven for his good works, nor does one gets sentenced to hell for doing bad deeds. I have trouble following all of the 10 commandments as well such as lust, and disrespecting my parents. Since you said Christian, most Christians would tell you (myself included) that works will not save you, but a believing faith in Christ. What you just described about going to hell for you works and deeds would describe every other world religion out there.
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#23 yucky_straw
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i never post in religion threads but the title made me lol.

and no im not a satanist. agnostic. but thanks for asking.

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#24 Darth-Caedus
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I'm not, although I do find it interesting to study
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#25 darksword1123
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I'd imagine most satanists are not serious about believing in it, but just do it to for the coolness factor of being evil and anti Christian. You'd have to be a Christian to be a Satanist since they are part of the same thing, just making out that you worship the bad guy.TristanShand

Good point....and to answer the question no.
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#26 michaelP4
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In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.vlin1108
Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :)
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#27 dan-rofl-copter
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i know a Friend who read anton whatever's bible and he said alot of it makes sense
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#28 Vfanek
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One point worth noting is that far less teenagers (and adults..) would endorse Laveyan Satanism if it was called anything else. They might argue that they're there for the ideologies etc. But in the end the majority just want to be able to say "Yeah I'm Satanist". It's human nature to require some individualism. Doesn't make it any less childish though. Lavey has some good points, but his logic is also flawed, not to mention bizarre, on other points.
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#29 inyourface_12
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i remember one satanist in particular about a year ago that i lol'd at quite a bit. something about metal bands making bad on the satanist image or something.
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#30 michaelP4
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]One point worth noting is that far less teenagers (and adults..) would endorse Laveyan Satanism if it was called anything else. They might argue that they're there for the ideologies etc. But in the end the majority just want to be able to say "Yeah I'm Satanist". It's human nature to require some individualism. Doesn't make it any less childish though. Lavey has some good points, but his logic is also flawed, not to mention bizarre, on other points.

Yeah, Anton LaVey admitted to being slightly crazy, but he also mentioned that he thinks everyone is slightly crazy. Another interesting point to make is that he admits to being theatrical (the whole Devil impression he has), and that apparently Satanism is the only Religion that admits it is theatrical with its rituals, masses etc.
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#31 monsterslash
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screw religion all together, takes up too much time
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#32 Vfanek
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screw religion all together, takes up too much timemonsterslash
Laveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.
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#33 monsterslash
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[QUOTE="monsterslash"]screw religion all together, takes up too much timeVfanek
Laveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.

so where?

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#34 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="monsterslash"]screw religion all together, takes up too much timemonsterslash

Laveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.

so where?

Not here.
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#35 monsterslash
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[QUOTE="monsterslash"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] Laveyan Satanism isn't a religion. I doubt this thread is about theistic Satanism, so there.Vfanek

so where?

Not here.

over there?

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#36 vlin1108
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.michaelP4
Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :)

Satanism does also, however, oppose worshipping deities, right? You probably know this better than I do since you have a blog about The Satanic Bible and all. In any case, the point I was trying to illustrate was that those who follow LaVey's philosophy do not worship Satan, but merely use him as a symbol for their beliefs.
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#37 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.michaelP4
Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :)

He doesn't state that he chose the name "Satan" partly because its' recognized, and controversial. There is a deeper meaning behind it, but I highly doubt that the publicity by calling it "Satanism" and naming his 'church' "Church of Satan". Satanism is the modern Thelema. Nothing more, nothing less.
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#38 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]In LaVey's Satanism, Satan is merely a symbol that represents satanists' opposition towards believing in deities, in particular the christian God. Not really much more to it, I think.vlin1108
Actually, in LaVey's Satanism, Satan simply represents Man's Desires, and to indulge in them, instead of being abstinent about them (LaVey particularly refers to the Seven Deadly Sins, saying that we commit them all the time, and instead of feeling guilty about it and repenting each time you commit them, you are to actually enjoy them as it is only our nature). Satanism does not believe in anything supernatural. The reason it is called Satanism is because Satan actually means The Accuser, questioning things, which is what Man does, as he wishes to be Enlightened. While yes, if it was to be called something else such as Humanism, it would be more understood, this would be Hypocritical according to LaVey, which is what Satanism is against, as then that would only be giving in to others, when Satanism is about Individuality. I hope that kinda clears things up, if it doesn't, please do say so, as I'm only going by memory here, I could go get my Satanic Bible right now and check up on what exactly LaVey says (he answers questions like this very well). :)

Satanism does also, however, oppose worshipping deities, right? You probably know this better than I do since you have a blog about The Satanic Bible and all. In any case, the point I was trying to illustrate was that those who follow LaVey's philosophy do not worship Satan, but merely use him as a symbol for their beliefs.

Satanism doesn't directly 'oppose' anything. If anyone wants to worship anything, they (Satanists) believe that it's their own problem. They're not going to waste their lives living under a false deity, nor under the restrictions of the moral codes set by religions. You're right that they use him as a symbol for their beliefs, "The Adversary" is the direct translation (if memory serves me right). But that they would use the same symbolism as any devil worshiping cult is a tad bit ridiculous.
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There might be some, though I best most of them are running around in Fable 2 killing everyone in the name of Satan. Then pet the dog when he finds them treasures.
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Not here :|MKLOL

Oh no? Ask all the parents here if they've ever told their kids about "Santa". Open and shut case.

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I used to be a LaVeyan Satanist.
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#42 michaelP4
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vlin1108: Yes, Satanism is against believing in anything spiritual, such as deities, particularly against Christianity as it is viewed as entirely hypocritical. However, the true Satanist simply doesn't care, and won't make a fuss about it, because they are ultimately selfish. :) Vfanek: Actually, Satanism is recognised as an official religion in its own right, as it has principles. It's classified as a Left hand religion, which is basically a non-spiritual religion. Blood-Scribe: May I ask why you are no longer a LaVeyan Satanist? Although I'm not an open LaVeyan Satanist, I would classify myself as being one by definition. EDIT: Although, I'm not just a LaVeyan Satanist by definition. You could call me a lot of things, such as an Atheist. I'm not too worried really as I'm not religious. :)
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#43 Blood-Scribe
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May I ask why you are no longer a LaVeyan Satanist? Although I'm not an open LaVeyan Satanist, I would classify myself as being one by definition.michaelP4

I still loosely follow the core ideas behind it, but it's just that there's certain beliefs entailed within the ideology that makes it such that I wouldn't lump myself into the following as I once did.

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#44 IZoMBiEI
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interesting ideas for sure, but Im just not interested being involved in any type of organized religion. got nothing against it or any other belief system though.
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#45 CptJSparrow
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I guess the topic creator never explained what form of Satanism he was inquiring about.
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#46 sAndroid17
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I used to be a LaVeyan Satanist.Blood-Scribe
yeah i did too, i still follow some of the ideas behind satanism. eye for an eye etc. but i follow a more paganistic/ non LaVeyan(as in not as strict)Satanism view.