Are parents allowed to break their children's property?

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#1 Ace_WondersX
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If you buy something then your parents break it because they're angry at you, is that allowed by the law?

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#2 BayAreaX
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its their stuff because its in their house.
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#3 dracula_16
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If the kid was the one who bought it then that sure sounds illegal to me, but it would have to be something important like a car or a TV. You probably won't see a parent get charged for breaking their kid's plastic spoon.

If the parent paid for the item however, it is technically their property.

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#4 AustXilo
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Americans typically live by the belief that so long as you are not of age and you live under the roof of your parents' house, you do not own property in any way, shape, or form. You are merely leasing. After all, unless you paid for it with your own money, it's theirs anyway.

Since the question you asked was, "If you bought something and they broke it..." technically vandalising or defacing property is not legal. However, they are your parents and, so long as they are not doing anything to put you in any sort of harm, are pretty much allowed to do whatever they want. That's one of the perks of being a parent. You get little slaves.

In order to enforce punishment you would need to sue your parents in order to have them forced into paying for a replacement. Since lawyers are much more expensive than anything you bought that they could break out of anger it's unlikely you're going to waste your time with that route. Also, if you do go there and you can find a lawyer willing to help you, you might as well emancipate yourself while you're at it because they're going to be shunning you until the sun burns out.

Edit: Also, as the first reply said, "If it's under their roof, it's their item." Possession is 9/10ths of the law. You must be able to prove that you bought it and that it is legally yours and not theirs. Most stores won't allow for kids under a certain age to buy items because they are not able to be held, legally, to a binding contract. So in a situation like this you're going to have to hope that ownership didn't default to your parents.

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#5 shinian
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But why would parents destroy their kid's property? I can't get that.

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#6 AustXilo
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But why would parents destroy their kid's property? I can't get that.

shinian
For the same reason that people leave babies in dumpsters instead of just taking them to the fire department or the state for, y'know, a no hassle drop off where the child can live and it's FREE to do.
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#7 Ace_WondersX
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Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

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#8 AustXilo
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Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought.

Ace_WondersX

I would suggest that you stop doing whatever you did that made him mad. If you were looking at pr0n, good for you. That's illegal (and as such, you'd be in more trouble for filing a complaint than for just accepting the loss). If you weren't looking at pr0n, tough break.

Serves you right for buying a G11 instead of a G15. G15 breaks to no man!

Aw, you edited while I was replying. Anyway, yes, it is best in arguments not to say things you should not have said. It is also best to make sure things dear to you are not within "destructive" reach. As I pointed out; he's pretty much allowed to do what he did. You have no proof that he did it and it'd be near impossible to have any legal action taken here. Also, GS is not the best place for legal advice and your father kinda gets a say in who you do and don't talk to in that regard since you're a minor.

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#9 BayAreaX
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i wouldnt bite the hand that feeds you man even if that was the case. unless you pay rent they cant do that.
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#10 dracula_16
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[QUOTE="shinian"]

But why would parents destroy their kid's property? I can't get that.

AustXilo

For the same reason that people leave babies in dumpsters instead of just taking them to the fire department or the state for, y'know, a no hassle drop off where the child can live and it's FREE to do.

That's pretty low, dude. There's a big difference between destroying a kid's toy and leaving them to die.

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#11 shinian
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Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

Ace_WondersX

So he shows that the way to solve a problem is through violence and destruction instead of talk. What a great job he is doing.

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#12 AustXilo
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[QUOTE="AustXilo"][QUOTE="shinian"]

But why would parents destroy their kid's property? I can't get that.

dracula_16

For the same reason that people leave babies in dumpsters instead of just taking them to the fire department or the state for, y'know, a no hassle drop off where the child can live and it's FREE to do.

That's pretty low, dude. There's a big difference between destroying a kid's toy and leaving them to die.

Perhaps you misinterpreted what I was getting at. The person asked why they would destroy something of a child's. I said it's the same reason that people do stupid things like leave babies to die. Why? Because they are ignorant and usually not rational in their thought process. I am not comparing the acts by severity. Obviously a baby dying is worse than a broken object. Besides, after he explained what happened, I'd have to agree with shinian's post below yours. "Great job he's doing at parenting."
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#13 rzepak
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Hm you said that you bought those things. So if you bought them with money you earned (an allowence is not earning) than it is illegal and you should go into your fathers room and explain to him that you have the legal basis to call the police or just smash his crap. Personally if someone came into my room be it friends or family and began to break things that I bought theyd end up hurt I dont like people disrespecting me in my home.

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Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

Ace_WondersX

Break all the windows in your Dad's car...that'll teach and I promise you won't get it any trouble.

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Hm you said that you bought those things. So if you bought them with money you earned (an allowence is not earning) than it is illegal and you should go into your fathers room and explain to him that you have the legal basis to call the police or just smash his crap. Personally if someone came into my room be it friends or family and began to break things that I bought theyd end up hurt I dont like people disrespecting me in my home.

rzepak
I've never gotten an allowance in my life, I work hard to buy my things. And he knows that too which is probably why he knew that breaking those things would make me angry.
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#16 AustXilo
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Hm you said that you bought those things. So if you bought them with money you earned (an allowence is not earning) than it is illegal and you should go into your fathers room and explain to him that you have the legal basis to call the police or just smash his crap. Personally if someone came into my room be it friends or family and began to break things that I bought theyd end up hurt I dont like people disrespecting me in my home.

rzepak
Do not listen to this advice. You never, ever, have the legal basis to smash someone else's stuff just because they smashed yours. Also, since he's an adult and you are his child, the cops are going to believe him over you. So he can just say, "Well, he threw a tantrum, broke his stuff, and then broke mine." Way to solve that problem. Also, since it's his home and not yours, he can pretty much disrespect you all he wants (again, so long as it does not affect your well being).
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#17 krazykillaz
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If I bought it and it's broken by someone else, I'm going to be compensated for it. I don't care who it is or why they did it. EDIT: Of course, this flies if you're an adult. I'm not sure you'd be able to pull that if you were a minor.
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#18 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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If you were old enough and can afford it, that would be the point that I'd be looking for an apartment to rent.
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#19 AustXilo
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If you were old enough and can afford it, that would be the point that I'd be looking for an apartment to rent.guynamedbilly
Best advice of the thread.
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Even if you earned it yourself, there's no help for you until you're 18. Be careful what you say, for the good of your rig.

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[QUOTE="rzepak"]

Hm you said that you bought those things. So if you bought them with money you earned (an allowence is not earning) than it is illegal and you should go into your fathers room and explain to him that you have the legal basis to call the police or just smash his crap. Personally if someone came into my room be it friends or family and began to break things that I bought theyd end up hurt I dont like people disrespecting me in my home.

Ace_WondersX

I've never gotten an allowance in my life, I work hard to buy my things. And he knows that too which is probably why he knew that breaking those things would make me angry.

The reality is that in America (and the whole world really) a parent can do whatever they want to their child as long as it isn't sexual abuse and doesn't permanently maim or kill them.

The reality is also that in a few decades the roles are going to be reversed when your dad is old and feeble and dependent on you. You'll get your revenge.

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#22 bean-with-bacon
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If they bought those things with their own money earned from a job (not an allowance or something like that) then no, parents shouldn't be allowed to break it.

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#23 br0kenrabbit
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Just as your parents are legally responsible for you, they likewise hold legal control over everything you think you own.

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#24 artichoke
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You can't do anything legally about it but I'd wait till you're both calm and go and talk to him.
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#25 Ace_WondersX
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You can't do anything legally about it but I'd wait till you're both calm and go and talk to him.artichoke
Yea, I'm waiting for him to calm down. But I think it might take a week or a couple of weeks for him to cool down.
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Your dad is one very dumb man. When thinkgs cool down I'd make him pay for the keyboard. You can also always use the other output on the back of your video card for your monitor.

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#27 MaximumPezcore
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Anger doesn't go into stupidity, I'm afraid, friend!

But people break things all the time by accident, monitors, keyboards, necks(back in 'nam). You just need to forgive and forget, although I'd suggest having him paying for the stuff he broke, unless you have a recent receipt. Wait for things to cool down first though, he'll hopefully come to his senses, and maybe some time in the future you two could meet up after you have had 8 kids with your wife, just leave the kids with your wife just like you always do, go see your father for a cup of tea, if that isn't your forte, you could bring fried chicken or pizza, just something like that. Bring this up like "HEY REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN YOU GOT ALL MAD AND SMASHED MY STUFF?!". Chances are he won't remember, but he'll laugh anyway. Then he'll call you by his co-worker's son's name by mistake, the age of your father has finally set in!

Then take him out behind the shed with a shotgun.

Without ammo.

I sincerely hope my advice will bring a solution to your problems.

Godspeed.

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#28 Ace_WondersX
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Your dad is one very dumb man. When thinkgs cool down I'd make him pay for the keyboard. You can also always use the other output on the back of your video card for your monitor.

BumFluff122
I use the DVI because my mom broke the VGA a couple of months ago. So no PC gaming for me, I still have access to the crappy downstairs computer.
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its their stuff because its in their house.BayAreaX
That's....That's just... :| That's just flat out ridiculous... No, parents don't have the right to break your stuff even if you didn't pay for it. They can take it away from you, sure, but breaking it.. no.
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#30 shinian
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The reality is that in America (and the whole world really) a parent can do whatever they want to their child as long as it isn't sexual abuse and doesn't permanently maim or kill them.

gameguy6700

I disagree. I have seen many beaten up kids and teenagers in the ER. We often call social services in those kind of situation. The parent's excuse are always the same: I didn't want to hit him so hard, I didn't know that physical punishment is bad, I was drunk and I didn't know what I was doing. Kids heal from bruises quickly, but mentally they become unstable.

Any kind of domestic violence is the parent's failure.

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#31 mike4realz
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If you buy something then your parents break it because they're angry at you, is that allowed by the law?

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yes he can do that but u can sue him and have the court decide on your case. try talkin to ur dad to resolve whatever issues u two had and if dat don't work...sue him if u want
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#32 SolidSnake35
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I have social services on speed dial. It keeps my parents in line.
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

jaredcsimpson

Break all the windows in your Dad's car...that'll teach and I promise you won't get it any trouble.

Steal money from his wallet and re-buy the stuff!

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#34 CoreyNT
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its their stuff because its in their house.BayAreaX
So because your american, you own nothing because its technically THEIR land. Or, Hey, your a slave because I'm your landlord.
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#35 Solid_Tango
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my mom broke me my ps3 controller ( which i pay with mah money ) and a gameboy advance my aunt gave me as a gift AGHHHHHHH she did it both times cus she was mad at me
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my mom broke me my ps3 controller ( which i pay with mah money ) and a gameboy advance my aunt gave me as a gift AGHHHHHHH she did it both times cus she was mad at meSolid_Tango

Break her favorite jar and burn the flowers!

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I go by the. "If I bought it and you break it, I break something of yours".

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Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

Ace_WondersX
Well, if you don't like him, go to a social worker and say he molestered you, but if you love him, then try and reason with him and apologize.
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

shinian

So he shows that the way to solve a problem is through violence and destruction instead of talk. What a great job he is doing.

I hate stupid parents.... sorry....

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wow what a (jerk) good role model

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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

Today my dad ripped my monitor DVI cable out the back of the computer which messed up the video card I bought. Then he snapped in half my Logitech G11 keyboard which I also bought. It started as an argument then I said something I probably shouldn't have, he then got really angry and the broke the stuff. Then he said he can do that because I live under his house.

RushMetallica

Well, if you don't like him, go to a social worker and say he molestered you, but if you love him, then try and reason with him and apologize.

Okay telling a social worker that your parents molest you when they don't is just wrong!!!! Haven't you ever heard of crying wolf.

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Don't buy any new stuff just keep your cash in a secret account and move out as soon as possible. Then when he's older put him in the worst care home you can find. Also fill the other PC with viruses :)
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#43 xxxAdvocatexxx
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Don't buy any new stuff just keep your cash in a secret account and move out as soon as possible. Then when he's older put him in the worst care home you can find. Also fill the other PC with viruses :)markop2003

I like the way you think.

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Hmm, I suggest you get some friends together and force him to pay for a new video card and keyboard.
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#45 Tagerh
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its their stuff because its in their house.BayAreaX

so.... if I left my ipod touch in ur car, its automatically urs? Or even if ur canadian, and u live in canada, are you now canada's property?

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#46 zeorshadow19
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If you're a legal adult and can prove that you bought it, I'd get legal authorites involved. If not, then there's not much you can do.