Are Pixar films overrated?

Though I like them alot if you think about it they are really not that creative most of the time. They generally take either objects or animals that dont usually talk, and then make them talk and adventures and hilarity insues! Heck in terms of storytelling I think Anime is more creative. I cant see Pixar doing a film like Paprika or Princess Mononoke. Many people dont like anime because the animation quality is not very good and it doesnt look fluid enough. I can totally understand that, heck thats what I think sometimes when I watch crap like Inuyasha.

Also the over the top facial expressions like flipping upside down and twitching, blood spraying out of nose for some reason and stuff like that. That stuff annoys me too, thats why I dont watch alot of anime because the over the top expressions annoy me. There are gems though, Miyazaki continues to be more interesting than Pixar or any animation studio in America. What do you guys think? Oh I havent seen Wall E yet.

no,there films are amazing.some people just bash them because they are animated,and they just assume its kiddy.lazzordude

They are kiddy compared to anime. Visual wise they are more advanced than anime by far but its like a supermodel, to me there isnt enough underneath all the glitz and glam. If you dont mean in comparision to anime then they are still pretty kiddy.

Some of them are, but most aren't. I haven't seen Wall E yet, but the last time I was disappointed by a Pixar film would be Cars. Cars was just not that great.

I'm just waiting for Toy Story 3

Depends on what films we're talking about I LOVED old pixar. Toy Story, A Bugs Life, but I'm not sure about new Pixar...

Like I loved Finding Nemo and the Incredibles but if I wasn't with a friend when I saw Ratatouille I would've walked out...

Cars was overrated I havn't seen wall-E yet. Toy Story was awesome.zombieman666

Toys story remains my favorite. So is The Incredibles

no way are they overrated. it sounds like you're an anime fan trying to compare the 2. which is pointless since they are not one in the same. for a company that makes child oriented films, their movies are much better than any other company's I.E. dreamworks and foxHyruleKing83

I'm really not a big anime fan, only certain animes appeal to me. In a way though I think Pixar is taking away money from people who experiment with animation with films like a scanner darkly, Renaissance. Persepolis and the Triplets of Belville Im not saying I hate them, I just want to see pixar quality animation with the occasionly complex storylines and themes of some animes. That would really be a sight to see.

why because they were successful and watch by many? I see many here in GS have a problem throwing the word "overrated" a lot.Tjeremiah1988

Most popular doesnt mean the best you know.

Oh and Paprika was INSANE! The Grafix we're like Pixar quality but 2-D. :)gorilazandgames

I loved it but afterwards I had a headache, such a bizarre film that deserved much more than it got.

Some of them are (Cars, A Bug's Life, and The Incredibles weren't all that great, IMO), but I actually feel that a lot of them are underrated. They tend to get written off as being "just for kids" like children's cartoons, when most of them really offer fun for the whole family. Sure, they're not the most complex movies ever made, they're certainly not masterpieces of storytelling, but that doesn't mean they're not great. Sometimes you just want a movie that makes you smile, and Pixar always delivers on that.

Oh and Paprika was INSANE! The Grafix we're like Pixar quality but 2-D. :)gorilazandgames

Paprika was like orgasm inducing..but for your eyes.

I really don't understand why you're trying to compare anime to...pixar...

definately not overated. When you head into a pixar movie, you expect to be satisfied greatly, and that's what happens(except for cars, it was just okay).

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Some of them are (Cars, A Bug's Life, and The Incredibles weren't all that great, IMO), but I actually feel that a lot of them are underrated. They tend to get written off as being "just for kids" like children's cartoons, when most of them really offer fun for the whole family. Sure, they're not the most complex movies ever made, they're certainly not masterpieces of storytelling, but that doesn't mean they're not great. Sometimes you just want a movie that makes you smile, and Pixar always delivers on that.

MetroidPrimePwn

I know complex isnt always the answer, but I would like the option once in a while.

I really don't understand why you're trying to compare anime to...pixar...

definately not overated. When you head into a pixar movie, you expect to be satisfied greatly, and that's what happens(except for cars, it was just okay).

ice144

Maybe because anime and pixar are both...animation?

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Nerd_Man

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Film-Guy

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, you see anime hatred all the time). Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

No they're not overrated. Toy Story and Finding Nemo are my favorite pixar films, and i'll agree with everyone that Cars was meh... good but not great. Wall-E and Ratatouille were awesome thoughbarcx17

I liked Ratatouille alot visually, but for some reason I could never get into the story much. I found it kinda bland and uninteresting.

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Film-Guy

I don't want them to make an R rated film, but you must admit, with movies like The Incredibles, next to movies like Cars, Finding Nemo, and Monsters Inc. they aren't without variation.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Nerd_Man

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it. Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

Most anime I liked doesnt involve swords:| Also I didnt say cars was bad, I thought it was alright. I liked how they got George Carlin to do a voice of a car since I am a big fan of his. R rated doesnt mean having heads blown off or guts splattering everywhere, it might have some violence sure but it doesnt need to be that much. I would just really like to see Pixar use the great animation skills and apply it to a more mature storyline.

Though I like them alot if you think about it they are really not that creative most of the time. They generally take either objects or animals that dont usually talk, and then make them talk and adventures and hilarity insues! Heck in terms of storytelling I think Anime is more creative. I cant see Pixar doing a film like Paprika or Princess Mononoke. Many people dont like anime because the animation quality is not very good and it doesnt look fluid enough. I can totally understand that, heck thats what I think sometimes when I watch crap like Inuyasha.

Also the over the top facial expressions like flipping upside down and twitching, blood spraying out of nose for some reason and stuff like that. That stuff annoys me too, thats why I dont watch alot of anime because the over the top expressions annoy me. There are gems though, Miyazaki continues to be more interesting than Pixar or any animation studio in America. What do you guys think? Oh I havent seen Wall E yet.

Film-Guy

Yes. yes they are. I've made dozens of posts about how bad some of their movies are, so I won't go into a lot of detail.

Toy Story 1 was good. A Bug's Life was also pretty good, even if Antz was better.

THEN, Toy Story 2 came out and they had a template for story progression and character development laid out. Following up TS2 was Monsters Inc which blatantly followed the template. It caused a ripple effect that spread through the entire CGI movie scene, causing abominations like Ice Age. Finding Nemo followed Monsters Inc, and it was equally atrocious.

I don't care how pretty Pixar's movies are. It's like saying "The Day After Tomorrow" is an awesome movie throughout simply because it looked pretty. The story progression was beyond stale and rehashed. The character development was beyond stale and rehashed. They were pretty cash cows churned out with no substance. A small adult humour joke here and there and critics go raving about how it appeals to all audiences. Right. Like I'm going to compare Monsters inc to a gem like The Rescuers.

The Incredibles was pretty decent, and gave me hope unti CARS came out and dashed that. Ratatouille came around and it was pretty great. Not an animated classic, but it was definitely Pixar's best since Toy Story. WALL-E was ok, but it was nothing outstanding. A little bit better than The Incredibles.

It seems like Pixar is trying to provide that kind of dumb comedy riddling saturday morning cartoons with the old Golden Age of Animation kind of caricatures, and then adding in some kind of watered down stereotypical drama. They're a Disney studio, so I don't expect them to be too adventurous, but I wish they could do something to break the mold on CG movies. They have the funds and they could afford a risk. They've succeeded in pidgeonholing all 3D animated movies into a single genre, and studios with smaller budgets can't afford to take a risk that could bankrupt them.

Anyways, I'm getting off track. Yes, Pixar films are overrated because at the very least their characters are hollow shells and their stories predictable to a T.

Pixar iz teh greatest.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Tylendal

I don't want them to make an R rated film, but you must admit, with movies like The Incredibles, next to movies like Cars, Finding Nemo, and Monsters Inc. they aren't without variation.

That I will admit is true.

Pixar's success has nothing to do with its groundbreaking animation.

Pixar's success is due to the fact that their films tell better stories than everybody else.

No, they are not overrated, because they continue to tell better stories than everybody else, and as seen through Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E their storytelling techniqes are constantly evolving.

Pixar's success has nothing to do with its groundbreaking animation.

Pixar's success is due to the fact that their films tell better stories than everybody else.

No, they are not overrated, because they continue to tell better stories than everybody else, and as seen through Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E their storytelling techniqes are constantly evolving.

swamprat_basic

I dont see why their storytelling is that great, its good sure but what makes their stories so much better than others?

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Film-Guy

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

I don't really care what rating Pixar movies are, but I'd like them to explore the endless boundaries of 3D animation. Why not a film noir kind of movie? Oras you said Persepolis-esque. Something with THOUGHT. With pixar at the helm of 3D animated movies, everyone else has to follow in lockstep or they risk going bankrupt or losing a hefty amount of money. Therefore, unless Pixar does something that provokes more than laughter from kids(and adults who also enjoy the movies), 3D animation will never be a legitimate means of creative expression. Where's the L.A. Confidential? The Gladiator even. I've resigned to the fact that we'll never see a 3D animated movie along the lines of Citizen kane, but why not something that is the least bit interesting?

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Though I like them alot if you think about it they are really not that creative most of the time. They generally take either objects or animals that dont usually talk, and then make them talk and adventures and hilarity insues! Heck in terms of storytelling I think Anime is more creative. I cant see Pixar doing a film like Paprika or Princess Mononoke. Many people dont like anime because the animation quality is not very good and it doesnt look fluid enough. I can totally understand that, heck thats what I think sometimes when I watch crap like Inuyasha.

Also the over the top facial expressions like flipping upside down and twitching, blood spraying out of nose for some reason and stuff like that. That stuff annoys me too, thats why I dont watch alot of anime because the over the top expressions annoy me. There are gems though, Miyazaki continues to be more interesting than Pixar or any animation studio in America. What do you guys think? Oh I havent seen Wall E yet.

Lockedge

Yes. yes they are. I've made dozens of posts about how bad some of their movies are, so I won't go into a lot of detail.

Toy Story 1 was good. A Bug's Life was also pretty good, even if Antz was better.

THEN, Toy Story 2 came out and they had a template for story progression and character development laid out. Following up TS2 was Monsters Inc which blatantly followed the template. It caused a ripple effect that spread through the entire CGI movie scene, causing abominations like Ice Age. Finding Nemo followed Monsters Inc, and it was equally atrocious.

I don't care how pretty Pixar's movies are. It's like saying "The Day After Tomorrow" is an awesome movie throughout simply because it looked pretty. The story progression was beyond stale and rehashed. The character development was beyond stale and rehashed. They were pretty cash cows churned out with no substance. A small adult humour joke here and there and critics go raving about how it appeals to all audiences. Right. Like I'm going to compare Monsters inc to a gem like The Rescuers.

The Incredibles was pretty decent, and gave me hope unti CARS came out and dashed that. Ratatouille came around and it was pretty great. Not an animated classic, but it was definitely Pixar's best since Toy Story. WALL-E was ok, but it was nothing outstanding. A little bit better than The Incredibles.

It seems like Pixar is trying to provide that kind of dumb comedy riddling saturday morning cartoons with the old Golden Age of Animation kind of caricatures, and then adding in some kind of watered down stereotypical drama. They're a Disney studio, so I don't expect them to be too adventurous, but I wish they could do something to break the mold on CG movies. They have the funds and they could afford a risk. They've succeeded in pidgeonholing all 3D animated movies into a single genre, and studios with smaller budgets can't afford to take a risk that could bankrupt them.

Anyways, I'm getting off track. Yes, Pixar films are overrated because at the very least their characters are hollow shells and their stories predictable to a T.

You ask for them to break the mold....if a movie that's fully about robots that couldn't even talk is not breaking the mold...then you have finding nemo...then you have Toy Story...what exactly are you expecting from them? Each Pixar movie is incredibly different from the other, yet still able to hold the incredible quality that they are known for.

Or did I read your point wrong? Are you blaming Pixar because they opened the CG scene for other companies, such as Dreamworks, whose movies arent on the same quality? If so, you can't blame Pixar because other companies make bad films...

P.S. You thought Finding Nemo was atrocious? Egad.

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Film-Guy

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it. Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

Most anime I liked doesnt involve swords:| Also I didnt say cars was bad, I thought it was alright. I liked how they got George Carlin to do a voice of a car since I am a big fan of his. R rated doesnt mean having heads blown off or guts splattering everywhere, it might have some violence sure but it doesnt need to be that much. I would just really like to see Pixar use the great animation skills and apply it to a more mature storyline.

You get what I mean about people with swords. Most of the people outside the Japanese culture who enjoy anime are the ones who devote their time and money to actually learn a thing or two.. And that's only a minority.
And as for R-rated? What exactly did you want then? Shall I just say it's a wonder that Pixar can make an amazing film that literally anyone can enjoy that doesn't include the following: Violence, Language, Sexuality, Nudity, Crude humor, blood/gore, scary images, drug references, Or anything else that makes an R-rated movie? And those are all up to R-rated standards, so don't say Pixar has some violence in their movies.

Pixar are the masters of what they do, and they do it without needing any of the [Insert criteria here] that you want in a movie for it to be R-rated.

Pixar's success has nothing to do with its groundbreaking animation.

Pixar's success is due to the fact that their films tell better stories than everybody else.

No, they are not overrated, because they continue to tell better stories than everybody else, and as seen through Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E their storytelling techniqes are constantly evolving.

swamprat_basic

Storytelling techniques evolving? And you just listed Finding Nemo? Maybe a de-evolution.

They've perfected the children's monster/animal searching for lost friend/human/animal storyline with Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo. They didn't have to make 4 of the same movies, but they did. I agree Ratatouille was a positive step in their evolution in storytelling, and Wall-E was pretty decent even if the storyline has been done to death(outside the 3D animated inner sanctum, but at least they're touching on stereotypes outside 3D animation).

They don't tell better stories. They're simply more efficient in selecting accessible and marketable stories.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Nerd_Man

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it. Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

Most anime I liked doesnt involve swords:| Also I didnt say cars was bad, I thought it was alright. I liked how they got George Carlin to do a voice of a car since I am a big fan of his. R rated doesnt mean having heads blown off or guts splattering everywhere, it might have some violence sure but it doesnt need to be that much. I would just really like to see Pixar use the great animation skills and apply it to a more mature storyline.

You get what I mean about people with swords. Most of the people outside the Japanese culture who enjoy anime are the ones who devote their time and money to actually learn a thing or two.. And that's only a minority.
And as for R-rated? What exactly did you want then? Shall I just say it's a wonder that Pixar can make an amazing film that literally anyone can enjoy that doesn't include the following: Violence, Language, Sexuality, Nudity, Crude humor, blood/gore, scary images, drug references, Or anything else that makes an R-rated movie? And those are all up to R-rated standards, so don't say Pixar has some violence in their movies.

Pixar are the masters of what they do, and they do it without needing any of the [Insert criteria here] that you want in a movie for it to be R-rated.

I just want them to experiment and take 3D animation somewhere interesting.

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

Pixar's success has nothing to do with its groundbreaking animation.

Pixar's success is due to the fact that their films tell better stories than everybody else.

No, they are not overrated, because they continue to tell better stories than everybody else, and as seen through Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E their storytelling techniqes are constantly evolving.

Lockedge

Storytelling techniques evolving? And you just listed Finding Nemo? Maybe a de-evolution.

They've perfected the children's monster/animal searching for lost friend/human/animal storyline with Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo. They didn't have to make 4 of the same movies, but they did. I agree Ratatouille was a positive step in their evolution in storytelling, and Wall-E was pretty decent even if the storyline has been done to death(outside the 3D animated inner sanctum, but at least they're touching on stereotypes outside 3D animation).

They don't tell better stories. They're simply more efficient in selecting accessible and marketable stories.

Wow you are one of the only people who see's what I am saying. Bravo:)

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

Pixar's success has nothing to do with its groundbreaking animation.

Pixar's success is due to the fact that their films tell better stories than everybody else.

No, they are not overrated, because they continue to tell better stories than everybody else, and as seen through Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E their storytelling techniqes are constantly evolving.

Film-Guy

I dont see why their storytelling is that great, its good sure but what makes their stories so much better than others?

Pixar invests about twice as much time on their scripts as their rival animation companies. The depth of their characters and story arcs are consistently better than everybody else, and unlike virtually every other company, they never rely on slapstick and cliches to make their films work.

A Bug's Life and Cars are their worst two movies, and they are still are better than 98% of the other animation companies.

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Film-Guy

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it. Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

Most anime I liked doesnt involve swords:| Also I didnt say cars was bad, I thought it was alright. I liked how they got George Carlin to do a voice of a car since I am a big fan of his. R rated doesnt mean having heads blown off or guts splattering everywhere, it might have some violence sure but it doesnt need to be that much. I would just really like to see Pixar use the great animation skills and apply it to a more mature storyline.

You get what I mean about people with swords. Most of the people outside the Japanese culture who enjoy anime are the ones who devote their time and money to actually learn a thing or two.. And that's only a minority.
And as for R-rated? What exactly did you want then? Shall I just say it's a wonder that Pixar can make an amazing film that literally anyone can enjoy that doesn't include the following: Violence, Language, Sexuality, Nudity, Crude humor, blood/gore, scary images, drug references, Or anything else that makes an R-rated movie? And those are all up to R-rated standards, so don't say Pixar has some violence in their movies.

Pixar are the masters of what they do, and they do it without needing any of the [Insert criteria here] that you want in a movie for it to be R-rated.

I just want them to experiment and take 3D animation somewhere interesting.

And you leave it up to Pixar because you know they're the ONLY ones who can do it right if they did? Hah, realllyyyyy, no other company can pull off your fantasy because you think Pixar is the best?

Don't say "Don't fill words into my mouth", because I just said it for you. But that's seriously how I see it now.

Forget Dreamworks, or Fox, or Sony Pictures - Pixar tops them all.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Though I like them alot if you think about it they are really not that creative most of the time. They generally take either objects or animals that dont usually talk, and then make them talk and adventures and hilarity insues! Heck in terms of storytelling I think Anime is more creative. I cant see Pixar doing a film like Paprika or Princess Mononoke. Many people dont like anime because the animation quality is not very good and it doesnt look fluid enough. I can totally understand that, heck thats what I think sometimes when I watch crap like Inuyasha.

Also the over the top facial expressions like flipping upside down and twitching, blood spraying out of nose for some reason and stuff like that. That stuff annoys me too, thats why I dont watch alot of anime because the over the top expressions annoy me. There are gems though, Miyazaki continues to be more interesting than Pixar or any animation studio in America. What do you guys think? Oh I havent seen Wall E yet.

ice144

Yes. yes they are. I've made dozens of posts about how bad some of their movies are, so I won't go into a lot of detail.

Toy Story 1 was good. A Bug's Life was also pretty good, even if Antz was better.

THEN, Toy Story 2 came out and they had a template for story progression and character development laid out. Following up TS2 was Monsters Inc which blatantly followed the template. It caused a ripple effect that spread through the entire CGI movie scene, causing abominations like Ice Age. Finding Nemo followed Monsters Inc, and it was equally atrocious.

I don't care how pretty Pixar's movies are. It's like saying "The Day After Tomorrow" is an awesome movie throughout simply because it looked pretty. The story progression was beyond stale and rehashed. The character development was beyond stale and rehashed. They were pretty cash cows churned out with no substance. A small adult humour joke here and there and critics go raving about how it appeals to all audiences. Right. Like I'm going to compare Monsters inc to a gem like The Rescuers.

The Incredibles was pretty decent, and gave me hope unti CARS came out and dashed that. Ratatouille came around and it was pretty great. Not an animated classic, but it was definitely Pixar's best since Toy Story. WALL-E was ok, but it was nothing outstanding. A little bit better than The Incredibles.

It seems like Pixar is trying to provide that kind of dumb comedy riddling saturday morning cartoons with the old Golden Age of Animation kind of caricatures, and then adding in some kind of watered down stereotypical drama. They're a Disney studio, so I don't expect them to be too adventurous, but I wish they could do something to break the mold on CG movies. They have the funds and they could afford a risk. They've succeeded in pidgeonholing all 3D animated movies into a single genre, and studios with smaller budgets can't afford to take a risk that could bankrupt them.

Anyways, I'm getting off track. Yes, Pixar films are overrated because at the very least their characters are hollow shells and their stories predictable to a T.

You ask for them to break the mold....if a movie that's fully about robots that couldn't even talk is not breaking the mold. Then you have finding nemo...then you have Toy Story...what exactly are you expecting from them? Each Pixar movie is incredibly different from the other, yet still able to hold the incredible quality that they are known for.

Or did I read your point wrong? Are you blaming Pixar because they opened the CG scene for other companies, such as Dreamworks, whose movies arent on the same quality? If so, you can't blame Pixar because other companies make bad films...

P.S. You thought Finding Nemo was atrocious? Egad.

Oh trust me, Dreamworks is definitely no better in terms of their story variety. They've provided a handful of laughs with a few of their template movies, but they're pretty much handcuffed to Pixar's standard.

And you think Finding nemo is breaking the mold? Are you kidding me? It's Monsters Inc 2. It's Toy Story 4. It's the same basic story progression, with different character models and a randomly generated backstory. Pixar has mastered the Fetch Quest movie, and somehow keeps it marketable. I guess that's Disney's doing more than anyone, though.

Yeah. Robots that can't talk, being able to talk is breaking the mold. Also, CARS with eyes for headlights is breaking the mold, because real cars can't see, or talk. Pixar is amazing. *rolls eyes*

I'm sorry if you misunderstand me. Pixar have an incredible team of animators that leave me in awe when I watch their movies. It's just too bad that I have to mute them while I watch. Pixar opened the CG market, and they're the standard bearer. No one else is going to innovate because no one else has the marketing power or money to do it. I CAN blame Pixar for setting a bad standard in movie quality. People bashed the heck out of disney movies like "Brother bear" and "Lilo & Stitch" yet Pixar's movies are no better in terms of plot progression and character development...the bread and butter in movies if you're looking at substance. Pixar makes up for it with catered laughs, and skilled voice actors to bring some essence of life to the film's stories, but even they can't salvage it.

Finding nemo was a beautiful film, but it had a terribly stereotypical story, one dimensional characters, the voice acting was rough around the edges, and all in all it was a template fetch quest Pixar classic.

I'll stop hating on Pixar the minute they release a noteworthy film.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

Compare Pixar to other movie companies?

Pixar is the only one who's ever had such a success rate with each and every film they've put out to date? They really are one of the greatest movie companies of our time.
Now before you name out something like "Oh but Cars wasn't that good", it still was a mega success, and in terms of quality, still shelves higher than the next animation company, like Dreamworks Animation.
That brings conclusion to why people always have high hopes for the next Pixar film before ever even seeing it... Considering this is the hands of Pixar, they've never had a failure. After over 20 years now (Getting started with short films), Pixar still remains on top of the competition as far as quality and storytelling goes... That's a record-breaker.. And they show no signs of slowing down.

Pixar aint overrated - they deserve the recognition for the amazing things they do. You may not like everything they have done, but they sure as hell created some things that you can't help but get joy over. Something for everyone to enjoy, even if you're not a Pixar fanboy.

Nerd_Man

First of all just because a movie makes alot of money doesnt mean its great. Date movie and epic movie made alot of money too you know. I can see what you are saying and I can appreciate the pixar films, but I do occasionaly want a more interesting film like Persepolis and a scanner darkly once in a while. I kinda wish pixar would make an R rated film.

Cars wasn't even bad like you make it seem..:|
Not the best Pixar film, sure, but it is still better than what other animation companies can do.

As for R-rated... Uhh... It's a wonder that Pixar has the capability of making a universally appealing movie that ANYONE can enjoy. Doesn't matter what country you live in that these movies are presented to, or how old you are, or gender. Pixar manages to make amazing films and stories without having a head blown off and guts splattering everywhere.

As for anime... Unlike Most anime, Pixar is universally appealing.
Anime... Not everyone understands the Japanese cultural references - which is why lots of people outside the culture don't like it. Other than maybe the people who have a sword collection under their bed.
Pixar, on the other hand, doesn't matter where they are shown, most people around the world have the ability to connect with them, and not be left in the dust for what the heck is going on.

Most anime I liked doesnt involve swords:| Also I didnt say cars was bad, I thought it was alright. I liked how they got George Carlin to do a voice of a car since I am a big fan of his. R rated doesnt mean having heads blown off or guts splattering everywhere, it might have some violence sure but it doesnt need to be that much. I would just really like to see Pixar use the great animation skills and apply it to a more mature storyline.

You get what I mean about people with swords. Most of the people outside the Japanese culture who enjoy anime are the ones who devote their time and money to actually learn a thing or two.. And that's only a minority.
And as for R-rated? What exactly did you want then? Shall I just say it's a wonder that Pixar can make an amazing film that literally anyone can enjoy that doesn't include the following: Violence, Language, Sexuality, Nudity, Crude humor, blood/gore, scary images, drug references, Or anything else that makes an R-rated movie? And those are all up to R-rated standards, so don't say Pixar has some violence in their movies.

Pixar are the masters of what they do, and they do it without needing any of the [Insert criteria here] that you want in a movie for it to be R-rated.

I just want them to experiment and take 3D animation somewhere interesting.

And you leave it up to Pixar because you know they're the ONLY ones who can do it right if they did? Hah, realllyyyyy, no other company can pull off your fantasy because you think Pixar is the best?

Don't say "Don't fill words into my mouth", because I just said it for you. But that's seriously how I see it now.

Forget Dreamworks, or Fox, or Sony Pictures - Pixar tops them all.

Pixar makes the most money, if they can profit off a more mature 3D animated film then others will try new things too.

[QUOTE="ice144"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Though I like them alot if you think about it they are really not that creative most of the time. They generally take either objects or animals that dont usually talk, and then make them talk and adventures and hilarity insues! Heck in terms of storytelling I think Anime is more creative. I cant see Pixar doing a film like Paprika or Princess Mononoke. Many people dont like anime because the animation quality is not very good and it doesnt look fluid enough. I can totally understand that, heck thats what I think sometimes when I watch crap like Inuyasha.

Also the over the top facial expressions like flipping upside down and twitching, blood spraying out of nose for some reason and stuff like that. That stuff annoys me too, thats why I dont watch alot of anime because the over the top expressions annoy me. There are gems though, Miyazaki continues to be more interesting than Pixar or any animation studio in America. What do you guys think? Oh I havent seen Wall E yet.

Lockedge

Yes. yes they are. I've made dozens of posts about how bad some of their movies are, so I won't go into a lot of detail.

Toy Story 1 was good. A Bug's Life was also pretty good, even if Antz was better.

THEN, Toy Story 2 came out and they had a template for story progression and character development laid out. Following up TS2 was Monsters Inc which blatantly followed the template. It caused a ripple effect that spread through the entire CGI movie scene, causing abominations like Ice Age. Finding Nemo followed Monsters Inc, and it was equally atrocious.

I don't care how pretty Pixar's movies are. It's like saying "The Day After Tomorrow" is an awesome movie throughout simply because it looked pretty. The story progression was beyond stale and rehashed. The character development was beyond stale and rehashed. They were pretty cash cows churned out with no substance. A small adult humour joke here and there and critics go raving about how it appeals to all audiences. Right. Like I'm going to compare Monsters inc to a gem like The Rescuers.

The Incredibles was pretty decent, and gave me hope unti CARS came out and dashed that. Ratatouille came around and it was pretty great. Not an animated classic, but it was definitely Pixar's best since Toy Story. WALL-E was ok, but it was nothing outstanding. A little bit better than The Incredibles.

It seems like Pixar is trying to provide that kind of dumb comedy riddling saturday morning cartoons with the old Golden Age of Animation kind of caricatures, and then adding in some kind of watered down stereotypical drama. They're a Disney studio, so I don't expect them to be too adventurous, but I wish they could do something to break the mold on CG movies. They have the funds and they could afford a risk. They've succeeded in pidgeonholing all 3D animated movies into a single genre, and studios with smaller budgets can't afford to take a risk that could bankrupt them.

Anyways, I'm getting off track. Yes, Pixar films are overrated because at the very least their characters are hollow shells and their stories predictable to a T.

You ask for them to break the mold....if a movie that's fully about robots that couldn't even talk is not breaking the mold. Then you have finding nemo...then you have Toy Story...what exactly are you expecting from them? Each Pixar movie is incredibly different from the other, yet still able to hold the incredible quality that they are known for.

Or did I read your point wrong? Are you blaming Pixar because they opened the CG scene for other companies, such as Dreamworks, whose movies arent on the same quality? If so, you can't blame Pixar because other companies make bad films...

P.S. You thought Finding Nemo was atrocious? Egad.

Oh trust me, Dreamworks is definitely no better in terms of their story variety. They've provided a handful of laughs with a few of their template movies, but they're pretty much handcuffed to Pixar's standard.

And you think Finding nemo is breaking the mold? Are you kidding me? It's Monsters Inc 2. It's Toy Story 4. It's the same basic story progression, with different character models and a randomly generated backstory. Pixar has mastered the Fetch Quest movie, and somehow keeps it marketable. I guess that's Disney's doing more than anyone, though.

Yeah. Robots that can't talk, being able to talk is breaking the mold. Also, CARS with eyes for headlights is breaking the mold, because real cars can't see, or talk. Pixar is amazing. *rolls eyes*

I'm sorry if you misunderstand me. Pixar have an incredible team of animators that leave me in awe when I watch their movies. It's just too bad that I have to mute them while I watch. Pixar opened the CG market, and they're the standard bearer. No one else is going to innovate because no one else has the marketing power or money to do it. I CAN blame Pixar for setting a bad standard in movie quality. People bashed the heck out of disney movies like "Brother bear" and "Lilo & Stitch" yet Pixar's movies are no better in terms of plot progression and character development...the bread and butter in movies if you're looking at substance. Pixar makes up for it with catered laughs, and skilled voice actors to bring some essence of life to the film's stories, but even they can't salvage it.

Finding nemo was a beautiful film, but it had a terribly stereotypical story, one dimensional characters, the voice acting was rough around the edges, and all in all it was a template fetch quest Pixar classic.

I'll stop hating on Pixar the minute they release a noteworthy film.

I must be one of the few who actually liked Lilo and stitch.