Are U.S. Soldiers and Marines forbidden to kill the enemy in certain ways?

Are U.S. Soldiers and Marines restricted to using their firearms to kill enemy combatants during battle? For example, could they choose to behead their enemies if the opportunity arises? How about cutting off their legs? Can they do that if they want to? What are the specific rules of engagement?

Who the f*** would want to do that? Probably only if they ran out of ammunition. lol

Who the f*** would want to do that? Probably only if they ran out of ammunition. lol

not_wanted

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent. What is the point of overkill. Marines and soldiers are not animals...

Not in that sense... There are rules invovled with those who surrender, those who are wounded, firing on medical personell and the likes, as well as certain weapon use (white phosphorus, bio-weapons, chemical weapons, etc)...

But how someone is killed isn't... Hand to hand fighting to the death, shooting someone in the head, shelling, etc... There is nothing that can be done about those... In fact US training encourages exploiting weaknesses to defeat an enemy (it is a fight to the death, your life is literally on the line, you must do everything you are capable of to survive)...

Why someone would want to do what you have described is beyond me, the shock and realization of killing another human is hard enough for some to cope with as is, but to purposely do it in a dispicable way as you have described is something all together... I can't imagine why someone would want to unless they were already severely crippled in their mind...

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent. What is the point of overkill. Matines and soldiers are not animals...MgamerBD

How do you know this? Also, what's the punishment for killing in the way I described in the OP.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent. What is the point of overkill. Matines and soldiers are not animals...BluRayHiDef

How do you know this?

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent. What is the point of overkill. Matines and soldiers are not animals...MgamerBD

How do you know this?

I think that we're too civil in how we fight the enemy. They're less civil than we are. They capture our Marines or Soldiers and behead them. Why can't we do the same?

You are allowed to defend yourself with the weapons you have. This usually involves some combination of an assault rifle, pistol, or combat knife. You'd have a hard time demonstrating that defending yourself or your unit required cutting someone's legs off.

You are allowed to defend yourself with the weapons you have. This usually involves some combination of an assault rifle, pistol, or combat knife. You'd have a hard time demonstrating that defending yourself or your unit required cutting someone's legs off.

Palantas

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent.

MgamerBD

Or blow them up, with grenade and mine and all matter of remorseless pieces of metal.

This guy scares me.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent.

Palantas

Or blow them up, with grenade and mine and all matter of remorseless pieces of metal.

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

You are allowed to defend yourself with the weapons you have. This usually involves some combination of an assault rifle, pistol, or combat knife. You'd have a hard time demonstrating that defending yourself or your unit required cutting someone's legs off.

BluRayHiDef

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

Yes, like I said, exploiting weaknesses is recommended... It is dog eat dog and if you lose you die. Krav Maga was entirely designed around that point... It teaches that you should be fast, you should target weak points (eyes, throat, even genitals, etc), you should break joints and limbs, you should use any and all available means to you to subdue or kill your opponent as quickly as possible.

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

BluRayHiDef

In close quarters combat, yes. I'm not sure where you're going with this. There are certain types of weapons that are prohibited by Geneva (I think), but in general, you are charged with killing the enemy by any means necessary, when in combat. I've stabbed a guy. You can stab someone all you want if they're fighting you. If an enemy soldier has surrendered, you shouldn't be stabbing them anywhere. The stab/shoot/explode is less relevant than the context in which it is occuring.

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent.

BluRayHiDef

Or blow them up, with grenade and mine and all matter of remorseless pieces of metal.

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

What the hell man?

Off topic, but I suggest you see someone man... A psychiatrist for example.

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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

You are allowed to defend yourself with the weapons you have. This usually involves some combination of an assault rifle, pistol, or combat knife. You'd have a hard time demonstrating that defending yourself or your unit required cutting someone's legs off.

Buttons1990

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

Yes, like I said, exploiting weaknesses is recommended... It is dog eat dog and if you lose you die. Krav Maga was entirely designed around that point... It teaches that you should be fast, you should target weak points (eyes, throat, even genitals, etc), you should break joints and limbs, you should use any and all available means to you to subdue or kill your opponent as quickly as possible.

How about strapping an enemy down, inserting a grenade into their mouth with a string tied to the pin, moving out of the blast range, and then pulling the pin with the string to blow their head and body to bits? What would be the punishment for killing the enemy this way?

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent.

Or blow them up, with grenade and mine and all matter of remorseless pieces of metal.

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

BluRayHiDef

Unlikely in theatre, as I don't see many NCOs and definitely no officers letting that fly.

Where the f*** are you going with this thread?

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Only allowed to either shoot or stab your opponent.

Or blow them up, with grenade and mine and all matter of remorseless pieces of metal.

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

Palantas

Unlikely in theatre, as I don't see many NCOs and definitely no officers letting that fly.

Where the f*** are you going with this thread?

I'm going wherever this thread takes me. I simply want to know how violent a Soldier or Marine is allowed to be when confronting the enemy? On another note, how difficult is it to be accepted by the Marine Corps or the Army?

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Can you keep some of the enemy's remains as personal trophies?

Unlikely in theatre, as I don't see many NCOs and definitely no officers letting that fly.

Where the f*** are you going with this thread?

I'm going wherever this thread takes me. I simply want to know how violent a Soldier or Marine is allowed to be when confronting the enemy? On another note, how difficult is it to be accepted by the Marine Corps or the Army?

if a soldier or marine had the desire to behead or mutilate the body of his enemy then that soldier probably shouldnt be allowed to carry a weapon and should undergo some therapy, i think the general rule about killing the enemy is that it cant be inhumane

if a soldier or marine had the desire to behead or mutilate the body of his enemy then that soldier probably shouldnt be allowed to carry a weapon and should undergo some therapy, i think the general rule about killing the enemy is that it cant be inhumane

linkin_guy109

They're inhumane in the way they kill our Soldiers and Marines. So, why should our Soldiers and Marines be humane in how they kill them? Doesn't seem fair to me.

I'm going wherever this thread takes me. I simply want to know how violent a Soldier or Marine is allowed to be when confronting the enemy? On another note, how difficult is it to be accepted by the Marine Corps or the Army?

BluRayHiDef

You are allowed to kill people with the weapons you are issued or permitted to carry. In any given area, you will have a document called the Rules of Engagement (ROE) that specifies the levels of force with which you are supposed to initiate. What that means: In a high-intensity situation, your ROE may state that you are to engage (to kill) any non-US/allied personnel carrying firearms. In constrast, in a low intensity situation, your ROE may tell you to approach persons with firearms and verify that they have the proper paperwork to carry them (much like domestic police). The level of force that you use is determined by the situation and the guidance you are given by your officers. However, you are always allowed to defend yourself. If you are fired on, you can reply with all the immediate and deadly force at your disposal.

And taking body parts as trophies has nothing to do with violence in combat. There are people in infantry and special operations units who confuse cruelty with courage. Don't be one of them.

As to your final question, that depends what you want to do. Talk to a recruiter.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I'm going wherever this thread takes me. I simply want to know how violent a Soldier or Marine is allowed to be when confronting the enemy? On another note, how difficult is it to be accepted by the Marine Corps or the Army?

Palantas

You are allowed to kill people with the weapons you are issued or permitted to carry. In any given area, you will have a document called the Rules of Engagement (ROE) that specifies the levels of force with which you are supposed to initiate. What that means: In a high-intensity situation, your ROE may state that you are to engage (to kill) any non-US/allied personnel carrying firearms. In constrast, in a low intensity situation, your ROE may tell you to approach persons with firearms and verify that they have the proper paperwork to carry them (much like domestic police). The level of force that you use is determined by the situation and the guidance you are given by your officers. However, you are always allowed to defend yourself. If you are fired on, you can reply with all the immediate and deadly force at your disposal.

And taking body parts as trophies has nothing to do with violence in combat. There are people in infantry and special operations units who confuse cruelty with courage. Don't be one of them.

As to your final question, that depends what you want to do. Talk to a recruiter.

I want to be an infantryman and a vehicle mechanic in the Marine Corps. What are my chances?

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if a soldier or marine had the desire to behead or mutilate the body of his enemy then that soldier probably shouldnt be allowed to carry a weapon and should undergo some therapy, i think the general rule about killing the enemy is that it cant be inhumane

linkin_guy109

i'll agree with you on the mutilating part, but the inhumane part made me lol

I don't know. I wan't in the Marines. Talk to a recruiter. Ask him direct questions, and if he doesn't give you direct answers, find a different recruiter. If you want to pursue a career in tactical operations, go infantry in the Marines, then get into an elite unit. If you want to get a skill for a normal civilian job, or just some college money, don't go infantry.

http://www.futurejarheads.org/

Here Bluray this is the site I go to since I am in the position of joining the Marine Corps. It is a no bs site you can trust made by a marinf ro future marines. Make your decisions wisely like I have good luck boy. The path to be a marine is a hard one. My dad is proud of me and I'm proud of my decision too.

MgamerBD

Thanks. I'll look into this.

I had a friend in the army who told me that he was not even allowed to fire at a man who shot an rpg at him until he got permission from a commanding officer (he was a guard on a suveillance tower or something). I am no expert but I believe most of the rules are tilted on the side of being careful, as opposed to being rambo. In other words, I would not want to explain to my commanding officer why there is a picture of me in an arab magazine with a tied up insurgent with a grenade in his mouth with the pin pulled.

I had a friend in the army who told me that he was not even allowed to fire at a man who shot an rpg at him until he got permission from a commanding officer (he was a guard on a suveillance tower or something). I am no expert but I believe most of the rules are tilted on the side of being careful, as opposed to being rambo. In other words, I would not want to explain to my commanding officer why there is a picture of me in an arab magazine with a tied up insurgent with a grenade in his mouth with the pin pulled.

EntropyWins

That's unbelievable. I would imagine that in such a life or death situation, you should be able to defend yourself immediately.

Doesn't the Geneva Convention prohibit things like that ? raiden509

I dunno. When it comes to mutilating dead enemy soldiers, probably not. Practical military necessity can demand dealing with corpses in a prompt fashion. It seems to me that would preclude post-mortem respect. In any case, what enlisted men and lower-level officers study in regards to Geneva has to do mostly with treatment of prisoners of war. This makes sense, I think; it's more important to deal with living enemies properly than dead ones.

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

BluRayHiDef

Yes, like I said, exploiting weaknesses is recommended... It is dog eat dog and if you lose you die. Krav Maga was entirely designed around that point... It teaches that you should be fast, you should target weak points (eyes, throat, even genitals, etc), you should break joints and limbs, you should use any and all available means to you to subdue or kill your opponent as quickly as possible.

How about strapping an enemy down, inserting a grenade into their mouth with a string tied to the pin, moving out of the blast range, and then pulling the pin with the string to blow their head and body to bits? What would be the punishment for killing the enemy this way?

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]

I had a friend in the army who told me that he was not even allowed to fire at a man who shot an rpg at him until he got permission from a commanding officer (he was a guard on a suveillance tower or something). I am no expert but I believe most of the rules are tilted on the side of being careful, as opposed to being rambo. In other words, I would not want to explain to my commanding officer why there is a picture of me in an arab magazine with a tied up insurgent with a grenade in his mouth with the pin pulled.

BluRayHiDef

That's unbelievable. I would imagine that in such a life or death situation, you should be able to defend yourself immediately.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

So, you can slice someone's throat during close quarters combat? How about stabbing them in the side of the head? Is that allowed?

BluRayHiDef

Yes, like I said, exploiting weaknesses is recommended... It is dog eat dog and if you lose you die. Krav Maga was entirely designed around that point... It teaches that you should be fast, you should target weak points (eyes, throat, even genitals, etc), you should break joints and limbs, you should use any and all available means to you to subdue or kill your opponent as quickly as possible.

How about strapping an enemy down, inserting a grenade into their mouth with a string tied to the pin, moving out of the blast range, and then pulling the pin with the string to blow their head and body to bits? What would be the punishment for killing the enemy this way?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Yes, like I said, exploiting weaknesses is recommended... It is dog eat dog and if you lose you die. Krav Maga was entirely designed around that point... It teaches that you should be fast, you should target weak points (eyes, throat, even genitals, etc), you should break joints and limbs, you should use any and all available means to you to subdue or kill your opponent as quickly as possible.

Chojuto

How about strapping an enemy down, inserting a grenade into their mouth with a string tied to the pin, moving out of the blast range, and then pulling the pin with the string to blow their head and body to bits? What would be the punishment for killing the enemy this way?

When (or if) you join the military you will see that not everything is like in video games. After 12 years in the Army I never killed anybody (unless one of the suppressive artillery strikes I shot killed some insurgents) despite three tours in Iraq. That's the same thing with most people you will meet in the military. When you are going through training you will be briefed on the Geneva Convention as well as Rules of Engagement. Follow those rules and you should be good to go, assuming the enemy doesn't kill you out of luck or your own negligence. Fail to follow those rules and you'll be joining those Soldiers who worked at Abu Gharab in Fort Leavenworth. Troops aren't monsters, it takes somebody with mental problems to do the things you described in your posts and people with documented mental problems are not allowed to join the military. If somebody develops mental problems while already in they will be processed for separation.

What if soldiers rubbed poo in the enemies face and then they got E. Coli and died? Is this allowed by the Geneva Convention?

What if soldiers rubbed poo in the enemies face and then they got E. Coli and died? Is this allowed by the Geneva Convention?

BMD004

Oh, God. I literally lol'ed. Good one. :lol:

When (or if) you join the military you will see that not everything is like in video games. After 12 years in the Army I never killed anybody (unless one of the suppressive artillery strikes I shot killed some insurgents) despite three tours in Iraq. That's the same thing with most people you will meet in the military. When you are going through training you will be briefed on the Geneva Convention as well as Rules of Engagement. Follow those rules and you should be good to go, assuming the enemy doesn't kill you out of luck or your own negligence. Fail to follow those rules and you'll be joining those Soldiers who worked at Abu Gharab in Fort Leavenworth. Troops aren't monsters, it takes somebody with mental problems to do the things you described in your posts and people with documented mental problems are not allowed to join the military. If somebody develops mental problems while already in they will be processed for separation.

ad1x2

How much do you know about our country's nuclear weapons program? What are the odds of a Soldier or Marine being assigned to one of the bases where a nuclear weapon is located?

Rules of Engagement + Law of Armed Conflict would answer your question.

How much do you know about our country's nuclear weapons program?BluRayHiDef

Are U.S. Soldiers and Marines restricted to using their firearms to kill enemy combatants during battle? For example, could they choose to behead their enemies if the opportunity arises? How about cutting off their legs? Can they do that if they want to? What are the specific rules of engagement?

BluRayHiDef

How much do you know about our country's nuclear weapons program? What are the odds of a Soldier or Marine being assigned to one of the bases where a nuclear weapon is located?

BluRayHiDef

If I knew anything about that I surely can't reveal that stuff here. Anybody who deals with stuff like that will have a Top Secret clearance. TS information isn't made for Gamespot and if I posted that stuff here I'd probably be sitting next to PFC Manning for awhile. Just because my real name and information isn't posted here doesn't mean the government can't get a court order requiring GS to release that information to them if I broke the law. As for getting assigned to a place like that, probably not the easiest thing in the world to do. You would probably have a better chance if you was in the Navy or Air Force, but I doubt there's too much excitement in that. Assuming the unclassified portion of the SIOP is correct, you won't be launching nuclear weapons unless you have stars on your uniform and that's only after the President and the SECDEF both authorize it and order the Chairman of the JCS to execute a launch.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

When (or if) you join the military you will see that not everything is like in video games. After 12 years in the Army I never killed anybody (unless one of the suppressive artillery strikes I shot killed some insurgents) despite three tours in Iraq. That's the same thing with most people you will meet in the military. When you are going through training you will be briefed on the Geneva Convention as well as Rules of Engagement. Follow those rules and you should be good to go, assuming the enemy doesn't kill you out of luck or your own negligence. Fail to follow those rules and you'll be joining those Soldiers who worked at Abu Gharab in Fort Leavenworth. Troops aren't monsters, it takes somebody with mental problems to do the things you described in your posts and people with documented mental problems are not allowed to join the military. If somebody develops mental problems while already in they will be processed for separation.

BluRayHiDef

How much do you know about our country's nuclear weapons program? What are the odds of a Soldier or Marine being assigned to one of the bases where a nuclear weapon is located?