Are you for or against the death penalty?

Too extreme is it? Not an actual deterrent? Too costly and more expensive than life in prison?

I don't think you can rehabilitate everyone and overcrowding has become an issue... Plus more often than not criminals are prone to using the insanity plea and taking advantage of the legal system set in place to protect the innocent.

Not every life deserves/needs to be lived.

The insanity plea is hardly ever used and when it is, almost never works. That's a figment of fictitious crime shows. That said, I'm very much so against the death penalty.

I believe those who killed multiple lives deserve it.

Very much for but the precess needs to be made more efficient.

The insanity plea is hardly ever used and when it is, almost never works. That's a figment of fictitious crime shows. That said, I'm very much so against the death penalty.

Dark_Knight6

I am against it.

And I would be against it even if we could be 100% sure of who is guilty, even if it wasnt costly and even if it was a deterrent for crime.

Funny. I was just watching law and order SVU and almost every episode has the defense pulling out the insanity plea. It pisses me off:evil:

GrandJury

It's funny that people take those shows as some kind of indication of how a real court room works. Studies have shown that, in America, the plea is only used in 1% of all court cases and has something like a 20% success rate.

I am morally and pragmatically against the death penalty.

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Funny. I was just watching law and order SVU and almost every episode has the defense pulling out the insanity plea. It pisses me off:evil:

Dark_Knight6

It's funny that people take those shows as some kind of indication of how a real court room works. Studies have shown that, in America, the plea is only used in 1% of all court cases and has something like a 20% success rate.

If it wasn't so costly and there were 100% no mistakes on putting someone on death row when they don't need to be there it would be better. GrandJury

Exactly this.

For the death penalty, and they need to cut some of that red tape, need to get those guys executed within 5 years max imo.

An insanity plea only works when you've got actual doctors willing to testify that the accused has been given a proper diagnosis. Your lawyer can't just say "my client is insane".

Too extreme is it? Not an actual deterrent? Too costly and more expensive than life in prison?

I don't think you can rehabilitate everyone and overcrowding has become an issue... Plus more often than not criminals are prone to using the insanity plea and taking advantage of the legal system set in place to protect the innocent.

thattotally

The death penalty actually worsens overcrowding and costs as the appeals process is a long one. And yes, we need the appeals process, there are too many inocent people who are put to death as it is. We typically don't look at murderers as capable of rehabilitation anyways, if they're convicted they go away for life. The difference is that the innocent have the rest of their life to appeal, it costs less, and we aren't killing people out of pure vengance.

For the death penalty, and they need to cut some of that red tape, need to get those guys executed within 5 years max imo.

Espada12

Try telling that to the families of the people who are convicted and killed then later found innocent. Perhaps we should also be executing the judge and jury in those cases, or perhaps the prosecutor, or maybe the investigators who missed key evidence?

Eye for an Eye

I am against it.

And I would be against it even if we could be 100% sure of who is guilty, even if it wasnt costly and even if it was a deterrent for crime.

Teenaged

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feared4power

This, a life for a life imo.

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Espada12

This, a life for a life imo.

So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

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theone86

This, a life for a life imo.

So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

No one, because the executed was done so legally.

I personally don't see the point. An eye for an eye doesn't solve anything. (But I'm not against it) I also don't see the point in prison. You get AC, 3 meals, GYM, library etc... I would rather have the people who are in prison become slaves of the state, we need someone to build roads.Fightingfan

A. that would take jobs away from working americans

B. prisoners do work, they clean roads, make license plates, and do other jobs for a wage farbelow minimum

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Espada12

This, a life for a life imo.

So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

theone86

The executioner.

I'm against it in all but the most extreme cases.

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This, a life for a life imo.

Espada12

So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

No one, because the executed was done so legally.

But the life of an innocent person was taken, as you said an eye for an eye.

Absolutely for it.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I personally don't see the point. An eye for an eye doesn't solve anything. (But I'm not against it) I also don't see the point in prison. You get AC, 3 meals, GYM, library etc... I would rather have the people who are in prison become slaves of the state, we need someone to build roads.theone86

A. that would take jobs away from working americans

B. prisoners do work, they clean roads, make license plates, and do other jobs for a wage farbelow minimum

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Fightingfan

This, a life for a life imo.

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So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

entropyecho

The executioner.

He's just doing his job, though. He didn't convict the man or issue the sentence, he didn't present faulty evidence, he didn't head the prosecution, why kill him and him alone?

But the life of an innocent person was taken, as you said an eye for an eye.

theone86

It was taken legally, so there's no need for revenge maybe that person should have been less careless and not left evidence incriminating himself.

I don't like the death penalty, why don't they get sent to jail for life and be done with them? :question:

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So who gets killed when somoene is wrongly executed?

The executioner.

He's just doing his job, though. He didn't convict the man or issue the sentence, he didn't present faulty evidence, he didn't head the prosecution, why kill him and him alone?

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Espada12

This, a life for a life imo.

I don't like the death penalty, why don't they get sent to jail for life and be done with them? :question:

Hammstray

I don't like the death penalty, why don't they get sent to jail for life and be done with them? :question:

Hammstray

Life imprisonment is torture. We don't torture.

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GrandJury

This, a life for a life imo.

Might as well have no punishment then, because you know.. next thing we get the wrong guy! I mean let all those murders just get a strong scolding, hell not even that let's just do nothing so we won't have to worry about wrongfully convicting anyone at all.

Convictions and sentencing is the same eye for an eye and revenge type mentality.

I'm for the death penalty. Crimes that involve murder should be be given death. Some will argue saying death is not good enough punishment its just an easy way out for the guy. And others will argue saying that killing them doesn't make us different from them. But thats not the point. Murder is terrible. Its ending someone life completely. I lost a family member cause some murder. But when their given the death penalty its about vengeance, but rather justice.

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I personally don't see the point. An eye for an eye doesn't solve anything. (But I'm not against it) I also don't see the point in prison. You get AC, 3 meals, GYM, library etc... I would rather have the people who are in prison become slaves of the state, we need someone to build roads.Fightingfan

A. that would take jobs away from working americans

B. prisoners do work, they clean roads, make license plates, and do other jobs for a wage farbelow minimum

Actually, construction jobs are relatively well-paying and particularly stable. They're far better than most minimum wage jobs, and they typically have a bit of oversight on hiring, so if your anecdotal evidence is correct, which I am not granting at all, the Mexicans you claim to see working are all more than likely legal citizens (also, you have no idea that they're Mexicans just by looking at them).

They spend years of their lives behind bars with the idea being that when they get released they are going to be productive members of society. You can't rob them of all salary and still expect them to be productive, though their salary is reduced as a punitive measure.

I don't like the death penalty, why don't they get sent to jail for life and be done with them? :question:

Hammstray

Keeping a prisoner in jail can cost tax payers roughly $20,000 a year. if you want to pay that to keep them alive then by all means. It's much easier to just let them pay for with their life, since they will never see the light of day.

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This, a life for a life imo.

Espada12

Might as well have no punishment then, because you know.. next thing we get the wrong guy! I mean let all those murders just get a strong scolding, hell not even that let's just do nothing so we won't have to worry about wrongfully convicting anyone at all.

Convictions and sentencing is the same eye for an eye and revenge type mentality.

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But the life of an innocent person was taken, as you said an eye for an eye.

Espada12

It was taken legally, so there's no need for revenge maybe that person should have been less careless and not left evidence incriminating himself.

ROFL, so when a father is accused of killing his two daughters by burning his house down and convicted of the crime because of an inept fire marshall who ignored blatant evidence that's somehow the father's fault, and we should in no way feel sorry for him for not only having to go through losing two daughters but also being convicted of killing them and killed for it knowing until his death that he was completely innocent? Yup, sounds like an awesome system you've devised there.

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I don't like the death penalty, why don't they get sent to jail for life and be done with them? :question:

Fightingfan