are you pro or against immigration

I am kind of on the fence.

I realize people live in bad countries and they want to make a better life for themselves but I also think people have to fix their own countries problems. It's no point everyone moving to a more economically viable country since that just puts more strain on the resources of the country they are moving too and taking jobs of citizens who were born there.

Against. Look at the states, they're racist about everything and have a thumb up their butt about everything

members of your family were all immigrants at one time.

I am kind of on the fence.

Deano

haha i get it. i think we should stop all legal and illegal immigration for the time being and kick out all the illegal aliens.

I am pro 'legal immigration' and I am against 'illegal immigration'.

I am immigrant. One thing about immigrant is all the PHD come and make stuff happen in US. US is about immigrant to begin with, except Native Americans. It shouldn't be against immigrant, instead, against out-sourcing.magicalclick

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]I am immigrant. One thing about immigrant is all the PHD come and make stuff happen in US. US is about immigrant to begin with, except Native Americans. It shouldn't be against immigrant, instead, against out-sourcing.jimbojones_sw

I am pro 'legal immigration' and I am against 'illegal immigration'.

Singularity22

If it's the US you are talking about, I am all for immegration. The more foreign accents I hear around me, the less surrounded by redneck hicks I feel, thus more comfortable with life.

I don't mind it.

I am kind of on the fence.

I realize people live in bad countries and they want to make a better life for themselves but I also think people have to fix their own countries problems. It's no point everyone moving to a more economically viable country since that just puts more strain on the resources of the country they are moving too and taking jobs of citizens who were born there.

Deano

Why do the citizens who were born there have more right to jobs? It should go to the most skilled, regardless of where they happened to be born.

I'm for legal immigration and obviously againest illegal immigrants. However I still think the more important issue is a global incentive (UN) in helping to sort out these countries they are leaving, therefore they won't feel the need to leave. Sadly todays policies seem to be so focused on tackling the concequence more than the cause.

I'm Pro for legal imigration and against illegal imigration.

Not sure...Although I hate the fact that they're constantly speaking in a foreign language.

I'm American, I believe the core values in our Bill of Rights is something that all man should have. So why would I deny another man's right to pursue happiness? Because he's not American? To deny his right, contradicts everything my constitution stands for.

You could argue that, immigrants bring crime and violence. I believe the real problem is proverty and corruption. They took your job? Don't blame them, blame the flaws of capitalism that seek to max profits of slave labor.

I'm American, I believe the core values in our Bill of Rights is something that all man should have. So why would I deny another man's right to pursue happiness? Because he's not American? To deny his right, contradicts everything my constitution stands for.Blue-Sky

So are you saying that by not letting someone come here you are denying them that? Since when was that exclusive to us? Since when did it come to the thought that only we have those values? Does Canada not have them? To want to give that to all men means to force change in their homeland so they don't have to come here to get it. We can't harbor the worlds population.

You could argue that, immigrants bring crime and violence. I believe the real problem is proverty and corruption. They took your job? Don't blame them, blame the flaws of capitalism that seek to max profits of slave labor.Blue-Sky

Poverty eh? You do know that they come from a poor nation and them coming here won't solve poverty there right? Ignore that and there will always be more and that only causes our poverty rate to increase, that solves nothing. Why shouldn't we blame them? They take the jobs without demanding fair wages and treatment, they came here illegally putting themselves in this situation. Its the companies fault and the illegal immigrants fault, each should get blame where it is deserved.

taking jobs of citizens who were born there.Deano

There's already too many people in America. Immagration should be halted altogether and population control should be put up like in China.

I'm pro immigration, against illegal immigration.

I'm pro immigration, against illegal immigration.

Shiggums

This.

It is out of hand and looks like it will only be getting worse. Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

MagusAugury

Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

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Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="MagusAugury"]

Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MagusAugury"]

Our ancestors were all immigrants yes but not illegal ones.

AirGuitarist87

Against. Look at the states, they're racist about everything and have a thumb up their butt about everything

jimbojones_sw

Because calling a whole nation racist is not racist at all...

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] How? :?AirGuitarist87

I'm all for immigration. I'm just against illegal immigration. I mean we have borders for a reason.

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]How can it be illegal if they didn't violate any laws?MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] And how can it be legal for the same reason? It's a moot point. The country was in, what is known in anomie terms, a state of "normlessness". There were no laws to violate, but that doesn't make what was done right.

AirGuitarist87

Seriously. Your ancestors invaded a land that wasn't theirs and nearly decimated an entire culture. Also the spread of European diseases amongst the native population decimated their population severely. To top it off, you then proceeded to steal all their land and wealth and then began to treat them as sub-humans in their own land. Illegal immigrants from other nations have nothing on your ancestors. Even up to this day The original residents of the land are mistreated.II_Seraphim_II

woah there.

since when am I responsible for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

let's just accept it as history, every culture has been invaded at some point by another group.Many multiple times, and it's not something I'm going to apologise for or feel any guilt over

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

Seriously. Your ancestors invaded a land that wasn't theirs and nearly decimated an entire culture. Also the spread of European diseases amongst the native population decimated their population severely. To top it off, you then proceeded to steal all their land and wealth and then began to treat them as sub-humans in their own land. Illegal immigrants from other nations have nothing on your ancestors. Even up to this day The original residents of the land are mistreated.

woah there.

since when am I responsible for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

let's just accept it as history, every culture has been invaded at some point by another group.Many multiple times, and it's not something I'm going to apologise for.

What do you have to apologize for? You didn't do anything wrong.MoonMarvel

ya I know, just stating really that every culture has been invaded by another cuture in history,many multiple times.so I don't see it as right or wrong, just human history.

There might have been people living in america, but really were the any laws? Just the law of the bow and arrow

The indian tribes were killing each other long before any settlers came.

And by doing so shows you didn't agree with it. Tell me, were those regulations even in place then? What laws did they violate then. This isn't about right or wrong but about legal and illegal. I want to know what laws did they violate.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

Seriously. Your ancestors invaded a land that wasn't theirs and nearly decimated an entire culture. Also the spread of European diseases amongst the native population decimated their population severely. To top it off, you then proceeded to steal all their land and wealth and then began to treat them as sub-humans in their own land. Illegal immigrants from other nations have nothing on your ancestors. Even up to this day The original residents of the land are mistreated.Deano

woah there.

since when am I responsible for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

let's just accept it as history, every culture has been invaded at some point by another group.Many multiple times, and it's not something I'm going to apologise for or feel any guilt over

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]And by doing so shows you didn't agree with it. Tell me, were those regulations even in place then? What laws did they violate then. This isn't about right or wrong but about legal and illegal. I want to know what laws did they violate.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

Seriously. Your ancestors invaded a land that wasn't theirs and nearly decimated an entire culture. Also the spread of European diseases amongst the native population decimated their population severely. To top it off, you then proceeded to steal all their land and wealth and then began to treat them as sub-humans in their own land. Illegal immigrants from other nations have nothing on your ancestors. Even up to this day The original residents of the land are mistreated.

woah there.

since when am I responsible for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

let's just accept it as history, every culture has been invaded at some point by another group.Many multiple times, and it's not something I'm going to apologise for or feel any guilt over

You are missing the point, you are using current laws to define what they did as illegal and I am telling you what they did at the time was neither illegal or legal. There were no laws then, so what they did then was not illegal because it violated no existing law. I am just trying to point it what they did was not illegal..not that it was right just not illegal at them time.MoonMarvel

And how can it be legal for the same reason? It's a moot point. The country was in, what is known in anomie terms, a state of "normlessness". There were no laws to violate, but that doesn't make what was done right.AirGuitarist87