I was driving by the Planned parenthood center the other day and noticed a line of protesters holding up signs against abortion. They were all dressed in black like they were mourning zygote-apartide. I'm not sure why they thought a center that gives out condoms would be doing abortions inside, but they picked that corner to proclaim their Pro-life stand-point. What do you guys think about the issue?
I was driving by the Planned parenthood center the other day and noticed a line of protesters holding up signs against abortion. They were all dressed in black like they were mourning zygote-apartide. I'm not sure why they thought a center that gives out condoms would be doing abortions inside, but they picked that corner to proclaim their Pro-life stand-point. What do you guys think about the issue?PercivalCox
i think that people like that are retarded. they can't, and really, they cannot, make someone else's already extremely difficult desicion for them.
If you don't allow controlled abortion in sterile environments, people who want to abort will do it anyway, but at home in the bathroom with a coat hanger/knitting needle. And then theres the issue of rape victims...
it's funny how most pro-lifers are for capital punishment pro-choice and pro-death heredevilutionman
yes, that makes little sense in certain aspects. anyway, pro-life when considering unborn life, but understand the argument regarding otherwise. i'm against the death penalty; against abortion as well regarding most instances.
edit: and saying it's a woman's choice is much along the line of saying it's an animal abuser's choice to chain his dog to a tree and leave him in the sun for days w/o water...plz quit using that talking-point argument. most of us don't understand what it is to feel certain emotions, but bringing up arguments based on emotions we don't potentially comprehend is without much merit.
edit: and saying it's a woman's choice is much along the line of saying it's an animal abuser's choice to chain his dog to a tree and leave him in the sun for days w/o water...plz quit using that talking-point argument. most of us don't understand what it is to feel certain emotions, but bringing up arguments based on emotions we don't potentially comprehend is without much merit.
edit: and saying it's a woman's choice is much along the line of saying it's an animal abuser's choice to chain his dog to a tree and leave him in the sun for days w/o water...plz quit using that talking-point argument. most of us don't understand what it is to feel certain emotions, but bringing up arguments based on emotions we don't potentially comprehend is without much merit.
Hewkii
so women beat their kids? Well, perhaps if the kids doesn't get aborted they get abused by women instead. I think that's what he's trying to say.
edit: and saying it's a woman's choice is much along the line of saying it's an animal abuser's choice to chain his dog to a tree and leave him in the sun for days w/o water...plz quit using that talking-point argument. most of us don't understand what it is to feel certain emotions, but bringing up arguments based on emotions we don't potentially comprehend is without much merit.
Erasorn
so women beat their kids? Well, perhaps if the kids doesn't get aborted they get abused by women instead. I think that's what he's trying to say.
that wasn't what i was attempting to say...but people can interpret as they please.
I think.. They need to get lives. Always running around telling everybody else what they need and what they should do. Somebody just needs to tell them to STFU and find a hobby that doesn't include harrassing and aggravating other people. I guess it's the only thing that gives them a purpose until they realize life isn't perfect nor fair.
Yesterday in South Caroline an overwelming decision was made to make it mandatory to have women view an ultrashound of their child before the woman makes the decision to have an abortion. This is done in part so that the woman can see that it is indeed life rather than a clump of dead skin. This is the first state to pass a law such as this. Makes me proud to be a South Carolinian. Here is a link http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/16949440.htm
I haven't really nailed down my viewpoint yet. I am a strong advocate of personal responsibility - most abortions are the result of consenting adults that didn't take the proper means of protection. I think that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. I am morally opposed to it, but I don't feel that I can impose my morals on others.
[QUOTE="devilutionman"]it's funny how most pro-lifers are for capital punishment pro-choice and pro-death heremindstorm
yes, that makes little sense in certain aspects.>
It makes perfect sense. They are for and against to whatever their peers are for and against.
you missed my point
Not really. I know they're contradictory. V_V
then i missed your point. appologies.
Is it not contradictory then to have an innocent child killed and a guilty criminal live? Sure, if you put it that way. But they're fetuses, not real life. They don't have a consciousness. And there are far too many implications in murder trials. Such as psychological aspects, the circumstances in which the murders occur. Many who have been put to death were criminally insane or simply acted out of desperation and would never kill again. There have also been innocents put to death, you can not free a dead man.
[QUOTE="devilutionman"]it's funny how most pro-lifers are for capital punishment pro-choice and pro-death here-Karayan-
yes, that makes little sense in certain aspects.>
It makes perfect sense. They are for and against to whatever their peers are for and against.
you missed my point
Not really. I know they're contradictory. V_V
then i missed your point. appologies.
Is it not contradictory then to have an innocent child killed and a guilty criminal live? Sure, if you put it that way. But they're fetuses, not real life. They don't have a consciousness. And there are far too many implications in murder trials. Such as psychological aspects, the circumstances in which the murders occur. Many who have been put to death were criminally insane or simply acted out of desperation and would never kill again. There have also been innocents put to death, you can not free a dead man. One of the major reasons I have such a problem with abortion is that a third of my generation has died from it... 45 million people is a lot. Not only that but many of those aborted could have been put up for adoption. I feel so strongly about adoption because my brother was adopted... if he was aborted I would have not brother.
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
[QUOTE="devilutionman"]it's funny how most pro-lifers are for capital punishment pro-choice and pro-death heremindstorm
yes, that makes little sense in certain aspects.>
It makes perfect sense. They are for and against to whatever their peers are for and against.
you missed my point
Not really. I know they're contradictory. V_V
then i missed your point. appologies.
Is it not contradictory then to have an innocent child killed and a guilty criminal live? Sure, if you put it that way. But they're fetuses, not real life. They don't have a consciousness. And there are far too many implications in murder trials. Such as psychological aspects, the circumstances in which the murders occur. Many who have been put to death were criminally insane or simply acted out of desperation and would never kill again. There have also been innocents put to death, you can not free a dead man. One of the major reasons I have such a problem with abortion is that a third of my generation has died from it... 45 million people is a lot. Not only that but many of those aborted could have been put up for adoption. I feel so strongly about adoption because my brother was adopted... if he was aborted I would have not brother. Because the world isn't overpopulated enough.... Anyway, proof, because I doubt that figure. And, at any rate, a large portion of women who have their baby adopted suffer tremendous psychological consequences, up to true mental breakdowns and suicides. It's truly a horrible experience, especially if the child after all those years doesn't want anything to do with the biological mother.
A lot of it depends on your definition of when life begins. It's hard to say whether a fetus - especially later term- has consciousness or not. How would we know?
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
MagnumPI
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
sonicare
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
That is what it will come too if the country becomes more liberal than it already is... we would end up like Germany did years ago...
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
mindstorm
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
That is what it will come too if the country becomes more liberal than it already is... we would end up like Germany did years ago... :| You're comparing socialism with Nazism? Something is very messed up here.
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
-Karayan-
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
That is what it will come too if the country becomes more liberal than it already is... we would end up like Germany did years ago... :| You're comparing socialism with Nazism? Something is very messed up here. I meant the fact that Germany killed any who where not "perfect" and of use to society. Like retarded children and old people.
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
mindstorm
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
That is what it will come too if the country becomes more liberal than it already is... we would end up like Germany did years ago... :| You're comparing socialism with Nazism? Something is very messed up here. I meant the fact that Germany killed any who where not "perfect" and of use to society. Like retarded children and old people. What does that have to do with liberalism?
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
-Karayan-
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
That is what it will come too if the country becomes more liberal than it already is... we would end up like Germany did years ago... :| You're comparing socialism with Nazism? Something is very messed up here. I meant the fact that Germany killed any who where not "perfect" and of use to society. Like retarded children and old people. What does that have to do with liberalism? The fact the more libral the country gets the more immortal it gets. Making one compromise leads to another.
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
sonicare
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
We're talking about unborn children. Stay on topic. If the child isn't past it's abortion trimester and it happens to retarded.. sure, abort it. It's a good reason to. I doubt anybody wants a child that waddles around emoting " vah vah vah ba dure ehhhhhhhh."Before the child strips off his cloths and runs around the neighborhood shouting "ehhh SUPAMAN!!"
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
MagnumPI
So couldn't you use this same logic to execute all the mentally retarded people in the world?
We're talking about unborn children. Stay on topic. If the child isn't past it's abortion trimester and it happens to retarded.. sure, abort it. It's a good reason to. I doubt anybody wants a child that waddles around emoting " vah vah vah ba dure ehhhhhhhh."Before the child strips off his cloths and runs around the neighborhood shouting "ehhh SUPAMAN!!" Just because a person or child has problems with learning doesn't mean they sould die. That is selfish on the parent's fault. If someone has an abortion because of retardation in the child, they only care about themselves and should at the least give the child a chance at living. Because quality of life isn't high doesn't mean they should have no life at all.
It doesn't matter. Die? .. Everybody does. Aborting an unborn child is like fracturing a persons cervical. Lights out. They're dead and don't even know it, never will.
I don't care if the baby is alive. The fact is that it's not self-aware. So terminating it doesn't matter. I can understand if they were trying to abort your child against your will but it's a personal decision, it's not forced upon anyone.
Do you even consider what type of future the child might have? Many children are doomed, destined losers. Better off dead.
MagnumPI
Better dead off? This is your justification? So let's kill the elderly, the mentally handicapped, the depressed, so on. Look at an ultrasound. IT IS ALIVE. The only situation abortion should be allowed is when the mother is in danger. Otherwise, adoption is fine.
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