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#1 flavort
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Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human?
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Stop saying words.
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#3 OluDara
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I'm pretty sure my ancestors were human. I don't know, my great grandpa could have married a llama.
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#4 Creeping_Wolf
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My ancestors are from the great Sioux, Blackfoot, and Cherokee tribes. No fish were involved, as far as I know.
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Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? flavort

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

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Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.
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#7 TirOrn
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My ancestors were the Vikings. :evil: Don't make me mad.
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Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.Darthmatt

Fish also have fins. Do you have f****** fins? DO YOU?

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.joezer3003

Fish also have fins. Do you have f****** fins? DO YOU?

As a man I don't have ovaries. So whats you point?
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#10 comp_atkins
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mine were.

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#11 babyjesus87
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Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.
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[QUOTE="flavort"]Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? agilefalcon16

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

I know that I am not a fish

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#13 mariohughes87
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Fins, Limbs, they are both homologous.
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I remember my great grand-pappy Gill cuddling me in his fins when I was born....

So yes.

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No...they weren't.
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[QUOTE="agilefalcon16"]

[QUOTE="flavort"]Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? flavort

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

I know that I am not a fish

But your basic cell structure is similar to bacteria, which happen to be similar to...fish. :o

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.Darthmatt

Fish also have fins. Do you have f****** fins? DO YOU?

As a man I don't have ovaries. So whats you point?

I forget...

I just felt like yelling.

Have a beer.

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="joezer3003"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.joezer3003

Fish also have fins. Do you have f****** fins? DO YOU?

As a man I don't have ovaries. So whats you point?

I forget...

Yet another difference between man and fish. Fish never forget :P
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[QUOTE="joezer3003"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="joezer3003"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Most fish have two eyes and a circulatory system, So I've say yes.Darthmatt

Fish also have fins. Do you have f****** fins? DO YOU?

As a man I don't have ovaries. So whats you point?

I forget...

Yet another difference between man and fish. Fish never forget :P

Well actually, they forgot Polend.

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No. Human.
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Take my fish, please, I take it everywhere but it always finds its way home.
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#22 flavort
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Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.babyjesus87

I have actually, nice assumption. I believe in evolution. One thing that is obvious is how tall people are now from 50 years ago. I do not at all believe I evolved from a fish. Darwin even stated that if there is no fossil evidence to support his theory the is is not valid. There may be some "possible" evidence. Considering there should be changes over a huge period of time then there should be unlimited evidence. Also since there are new species of animals found all the time then I would question this theory of evolution to the extent some take it.

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#23 flavort
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[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="agilefalcon16"]

[QUOTE="flavort"]Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? The_Ish

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

I know that I am not a fish

But your basic cell structure is similar to bacteria, which happen to be similar to...fish. :o

Maybe my ancestors are bacteria.

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[QUOTE="babyjesus87"]Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.flavort

I have actually, nice assumption. I believe in evolution. One thing that is obvious is how tall people are now from 50 years ago. I do not at all believe I evolved from a fish. Darwin even stated that if there is no fossil evidence to support his theory the is is not valid. There may be some "possible" evidence. Considering there should be changes over a huge period of time then there should be unlimited evidence. Also since there are new species of animals found all the time then I would question this theory of evolution to the extent some take it.

As a "believer" in evolution, you should know that absence of proof is not proof of absence.
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my ancestors were german, italian, and irish
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#26 CptJSparrow
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No...they weren't.LJS9502_basic
LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.
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[QUOTE="babyjesus87"]Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.flavort

I have actually, nice assumption. I believe in evolution. One thing that is obvious is how tall people are now from 50 years ago. I do not at all believe I evolved from a fish. Darwin even stated that if there is no fossil evidence to support his theory the is is not valid. There may be some "possible" evidence. Considering there should be changes over a huge period of time then there should be unlimited evidence. Also since there are new species of animals found all the time then I would question this theory of evolution to the extent some take it.

Fossils are rare as-is...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.CptJSparrow
LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.
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Sure if you go back a few hundred million years.
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[QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="babyjesus87"]Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.Darthmatt

I have actually, nice assumption. I believe in evolution. One thing that is obvious is how tall people are now from 50 years ago. I do not at all believe I evolved from a fish. Darwin even stated that if there is no fossil evidence to support his theory the is is not valid. There may be some "possible" evidence. Considering there should be changes over a huge period of time then there should be unlimited evidence. Also since there are new species of animals found all the time then I would question this theory of evolution to the extent some take it.

As a "believer" in evolution, you should know that absence of proof is not proof of absence.

like I said I believe things evolve. I do not believe humans evolved from fish. Darwins theory of evolution does not stand according to him. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, I am a Christian and understand than since I get people giving me crap about scientifically proving God exists.

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#31 agilefalcon16
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[QUOTE="agilefalcon16"]

[QUOTE="flavort"]Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? flavort

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

I know that I am not a fish

How are you so sure? ;)

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I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="babyjesus87"]Billions of years ago, yes. Now did you really need to start another evolution vs creationism thread? You are probably pretty ignorant on the subject, so please go read some books first before you make an opinion on the topic... and not anti evolution books, real books eondorsed by the scientific community.flavort

I have actually, nice assumption. I believe in evolution. One thing that is obvious is how tall people are now from 50 years ago. I do not at all believe I evolved from a fish. Darwin even stated that if there is no fossil evidence to support his theory the is is not valid. There may be some "possible" evidence. Considering there should be changes over a huge period of time then there should be unlimited evidence. Also since there are new species of animals found all the time then I would question this theory of evolution to the extent some take it.

As a "believer" in evolution, you should know that absence of proof is not proof of absence.

like I said I believe things evolve. I do not believe humans evolved from fish. Darwins theory of evolution does not stand according to him. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, I am a Christian and understand than since I get people giving me crap about scientifically proving God exists.

You would probably be correct. Humans didn't evolve directly from fish. But fish and humans most likely evloved from the same line and branched off. Evolution is not a straigh line.
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I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(ConManWithGun
Only in West Virginia.
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[QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(CptJSparrow
Only in West Virginia.

It was in wisconsin

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.Darthmatt
LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(ConManWithGun

Only in West Virginia.

It was in wisconsin

It may have been a cheese log shaped like a fish then.
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(ConManWithGun

Only in West Virginia.

It was in wisconsin

Disgusting.
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[QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(CptJSparrow
Only in West Virginia.

yeah :)

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[QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(CptJSparrow

Only in West Virginia.

It was in wisconsin

Disgusting.

I know, I couldn't sleep for days

[QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="ConManWithGun"]I once saw a man pleasure a fish, I think they were related but I'm not sure :(Darthmatt

Only in West Virginia.

It was in wisconsin

It may have been a cheese log shaped like a fish then.

no it was a real fish, it was called the fish act, it was like a bass fish or something

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.flavort

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

My textbooks have said that the current theory suggests plants and animals came from protosoa.
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[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="agilefalcon16"]

[QUOTE="flavort"]Unfortunately mine are not. I was just wondering if yours are. If they are when do you think the next fish will become a human? agilefalcon16

What? Are you an alien then? :roll:

I know that I am not a fish

How are you so sure? ;)

so far I am pretty positive about it.

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.flavort

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

Traits are just adaptations based on environmental conditions. Deep in the mammoth cave exists fish that have no pigmentation or eye sight. They have eyes, but they all almost non-existent in size and do not send signals to their brains because they have evolved over thousands of years in an environment absent of light. Similar fish live on the surface, but have sight and coloration. The things we share are very common amongst vertebrate animals. Hearts, eyes, livers, vascular systems, bones, reproductive organs. While they all differ in size and capacity, they all have similar function.
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mine where balck,german,turkish, and cherokee

AND WOLFS

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.CptJSparrow

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

My textbooks have said that the current theory suggests plants and animals came from protosoa.

Thats sound like a more reasonable theory to be consistent with the theory of evolution, I would have to have some very impressive evidence to accept it as a possibility. I just have come to a different conclusion through certain things that have happened in my life and alternative readings. Is there anything I can read about this, it sounds very interesting.

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.Darthmatt

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

Traits are just adaptations based on environmental conditions. Deep in the mammoth cave exists fish that have no pigmentation or eye sight. They have eyes, but they all almost non-existent in size and do not send signals to their brains because they have evolved over thousands of years in an environment absent of light. Similar fish live on the surface, but have sight and coloration. The things we share are very common amongst vertebrate animals. Hearts, eyes, livers, vascular systems, bones, reproductive organs. While they all differ in size and capacity, they all have similar function.

Like i said at the start all these traits are homologous in that they have similar relative position, structure, function and evolutionary origin.

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.flavort

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

My textbooks have said that the current theory suggests plants and animals came from protosoa.

Thats sound like a more reasonable theory to be consistent with the theory of evolution, I would have to have some very impressive evidence to accept it as a possibility. I just have come to a different conclusion through certain things that have happened in my life and alternative readings. Is there anything I can read about this, it sounds very interesting.

Unfortunately they didn't go into any detail, other than mentioning a vague 'primordial' soup, so I would search for research on the Miller Experiment. That's the closest we've come to seeing if it's possible. Like you, I need more evidence to accept this particular aspect of the Theory of Evolution as fact.
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[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.CptJSparrow

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

My textbooks have said that the current theory suggests plants and animals came from protosoa.

Thats sound like a more reasonable theory to be consistent with the theory of evolution, I would have to have some very impressive evidence to accept it as a possibility. I just have come to a different conclusion through certain things that have happened in my life and alternative readings. Is there anything I can read about this, it sounds very interesting.

Unfortunately they didn't go into any detail, other than mentioning a vague 'primordial' soup, so I would search for research on the Miller Experiment. That's the closest we've come to seeing if it's possible. Like you, I need more evidence to accept this particular aspect of the Theory of Evolution as fact.

I appreciate that.

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[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...they weren't.CptJSparrow

LJS is actually right here. The millions of years ago that land animals emerged from sea animals, would not have contained fish like what we see today. They evolved just like we did. We share a common ancestor, but no known fish that existed then is unchanged today.

Right, I think people get carried away thinking the chain of evolution is a straight line. Fish, dogs, Humans share a common genetic ancestor, but are not linked in a direct order. Think about the fact that fish birds, and mammals have a skeletal structure, vascular system and a pair of eyes. The vast amount of different species that share those common traits, should be enough to prove a creature with those traits existed and over time evolved into separate species as they spread out and adapted to different environments.

I understand what you mean but why would animals not have certian traits in general? Are all plants related to a single source?

My textbooks have said that the current theory suggests plants and animals came from protosoa.

Thats sound like a more reasonable theory to be consistent with the theory of evolution, I would have to have some very impressive evidence to accept it as a possibility. I just have come to a different conclusion through certain things that have happened in my life and alternative readings. Is there anything I can read about this, it sounds very interesting.

Unfortunately they didn't go into any detail, other than mentioning a vague 'primordial' soup, so I would search for research on the Miller Experiment. That's the closest we've come to seeing if it's possible. Like you, I need more evidence to accept this particular aspect of the Theory of Evolution as fact.

Actually I have read a book that discusses the Miller Experiment. I will have to reread it and look into more of it.

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No, my ancestors are a close relative to apes i believe. So are yours...