Argument- Republicans "forcing" their Religious beliefs

Why does it matter where someone gets their ideas and political beliefs from? The end effect is the same. Obama forces a lot of stuff on me that I dont agree with. Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?

Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

Religion is dumb and anyone who uses religion is dumb. Fin. l4dak47

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?JML897

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

Seriously? Maybe the fact that not everybody in the country follows the religion that particular lawmaker follows?

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="JML897"] When your only argument is "my religion doesn't agree with it", then yes.JML897

Seriously? Maybe the fact that not everybody in the country follows the religion that particular lawmaker follows?

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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] What is wrong with that argument? AdamPA1006

Seriously? Maybe the fact that not everybody in the country follows the religion that particular lawmaker follows?

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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] What is wrong with that argument? AdamPA1006

Seriously? Maybe the fact that not everybody in the country follows the religion that particular lawmaker follows?

you're trying to equalize religious beliefs with political beliefs then? they barely have anything in common

Much of the stuff you dislike probably came long before Obama, and remember that the Legislative branch makes our laws.

Because when a belief is ONLY a religious belief it means it has no logical basis. If it can be found in religion AND it can be supported by logic then its not merely a religious belief.

Thats not a new definition I'm making. The point is that the complement "religious" in such discussions is used to highlight the above. If the beliefs that are being imposed can be supported with sound arguments, then there is no reason to call them "religious". You would be right if you said that perhaps the word "religious" is demonized in those contexts, that's true.

That doesnt mean that people oppose those beliefs simply because they can be found in some religious text. The Bible, afterall, says to not kill, however nobody opposes that commandment, because it can be supported with sound arguments.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

OP is probably the worst high-level poster on OT.

Still waiting for your secular argument against gay marriage.

Why does it matter where someone gets their ideas and political beliefs from? The end effect is the same. Obama forces a lot of stuff on me that I dont agree with. Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?

AdamPA1006

you say that now, but just wait till the Mormons take over and we all have to start wearing the special underwear.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

The first amendment dumbass.

Cause it hurts people and unlike something like economics, there's no logical reason behind the beliefs.

It's basically bigotry based on ignorance and assumption.

I just think that modern Democrats like to use the word "force" a lot against Republicans and that it's BS.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

Yeah I find it weird too. Why do people complain about religious beliefs influencing legislation, but don't complain about feminist beliefs or Marxist beliefs or whatnot influencing politics. The fact of the matter is that a person's beliefs influence the legislation they would put forth.

Yeah I find it weird too. Why do people complain about religious beliefs influencing legislation, but don't complain about feminist beliefs or Marxist beliefs or whatnot influencing politics. The fact of the matter is that a person's beliefs influence the legislation they would put forth.

whipassmt

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Yeah I find it weird too. Why do people complain about religious beliefs influencing legislation, but don't complain about feminist beliefs or Marxist beliefs or whatnot influencing politics. The fact of the matter is that a person's beliefs influence the legislation they would put forth.

DroidPhysX

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." -Douglas Adams

Yeah I find it weird too. Why do people complain about religious beliefs influencing legislation, but don't complain about feminist beliefs or Marxist beliefs or whatnot influencing politics. The fact of the matter is that a person's beliefs influence the legislation they would put forth.

whipassmt

Also, inequality hurts everyone.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Getting your beliefs from religion is bad though?AdamPA1006

If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.playmynutz

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Yeah I find it weird too. Why do people complain about religious beliefs influencing legislation, but don't complain about feminist beliefs or Marxist beliefs or whatnot influencing politics. The fact of the matter is that a person's beliefs influence the legislation they would put forth.

whipassmt

If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.playmynutz

[QUOTE="playmynutz"]If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.VanHelsingBoA64

Hey no body is perfect. I don't consider people religious by where they go but by what they do. God is all that is good. stripping goodness from politics leaves nothing but evil. So politics cannot lower taxes for example because that is good and good wouldn't be allowed in politics if it was truly separation of church and state. True separation of church and state would make state atheist by default. Meaning absolutely nothing of God so a true atheist wouldn't be good because that is too religious for them. (exactly why i don't believe people when they say they are atheist because they sure don't act like it. you don't act atheist for that matter because you are being polite.) no offense at all i probably could of used better wording but i'm not out to say i'm perfect playmynutz

The onlyprerequisite for being an athiest is disbelief in God. Morals have nothing to do with it; athiests are just as capable of "good" actions as thiests.

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="playmynutz"]If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.playmynutz

You're a moron that doesn't understand that there are plenty of benifits to not being a dick all of the time that have absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Religion is dumb and anyone who uses religion is dumb. Fin. l4dak47

There is a difference between a basing a policy off rational arguments to maximise societal benefit and basing a policy off the tenets of a piece of fiction.

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="playmynutz"]If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.playmynutz

Now go back to your cave.

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="playmynutz"]If people don't want religion in politics then don't complain when the heartless governor raises your taxes to pay for his new boat. Thank God the political system isn't completely atheist.playmynutz

This is literally the dumbest most ignorant post I have read on this forum EVER! And that's saying a lot. Congratulations.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Religion is dumb and anyone who uses religion is dumb. Fin. juden41

Because when a belief is ONLY a religious belief it means it has no logical basis. If it can be found in religion AND it can be supported by logic then its not merely a religious belief.

Thats not a new definition I'm making. The point is that the complement "religious" in such discussions is used to highlight the above. If the beliefs that are being imposed can be supported with sound arguments, then there is no reason to call them "religious". You would be right if you said that perhaps the word "religious" is demonized in those contexts, that's true.

That doesnt mean that people oppose those beliefs simply because they can be found in some religious text. The Bible, afterall, says to not kill, however nobody opposes that commandment, because it can be supported with sound arguments.

Teenaged

There's a problem when one thinks that their policies are the word of the lord of the universe.

[QUOTE="juden41"][QUOTE="l4dak47"]Religion is dumb and anyone who uses religion is dumb. Fin. l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Religion is dumb and anyone who uses religion is dumb. Fin. juden41

Basing law and policy off of a religion that not everyone agrees with or believes in is barbaric and unfair. The United States Government should be as secular and neutral as possible.