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James Kirk Piccione is an attorney whose law offices are located in Louisiana.  On his site, he wrote an article listing the top ten reasons why you (yes, you) shouldn't talk to the police.  Very interesting.

 

REASON #1: Talking to the police CANNOT help you.

If the police are talking to you, its because they suspect you have committed a crime. If they have detained you, its because they already have enough evidence to arrest you and they want to see if you will admit it and thus, give them an even stronger case against you.

If they have evidence to arrest you for a crime, they will. If they dont, they wont. Its as simple as that.

Talking to them or not talking to them wont make a difference! No one has ever talked his way out of an arrest. If the police have enough evidence to arrest, they will. If you deny that you committed the crime, they will not believe you. They already have evidence suggesting that you committed the crime. Theyll assume youre just doing what every criminal does in denying the offense. It will not prevent you from getting arrested.

This is completely contrary to popular belief. For some reason, many people think that they are savvy enough
or eloquent enough or well educated enough to be able to talk to the police and convince the police not to arrest them. But ask any police officer if because of the eloquence and convincing story of the suspect, they have ever been convinced not to arrest somebody whom they had originally intended to arrest, and they will tell you no. They will tell you that in their experience, no one has ever talked themselves out of getting arrested. Talking to the police cannot help you. It cannot prevent you from getting arrested. It can only hurt.

REASON #2: Even if youre guilty, and you want to confess and get it off your chest, you still shouldnt talk to the police.

People plead guilty in America every day. Probably over 90% of defendants in state court plead guilty at some point during their case. There is plenty of time to confess and admit guilt at a later stage of the proceedings. Whats the rush? Get a lawyer first. Let the lawyer set up a deal whereby you get something in exchange for accepting responsibility for the offense. A better plea bargain, or maybe even immunity. If you confess to the police, you get nothing in return. Zero. In fact, you probably get a harsher prosecution because the states case is now airtight, now that you have confessed.

REASON #3: Even if you are innocent, its easy to tell some little white lie in the course of a statement.

This kind of thing happens all the time. A person who is completely innocent and who is trying to vehemently assert their innocence will go overboard and take it a little bit too far and deny some insignificant fact, tell some little white lie, because they want to sound as innocent as possible. But if the police have evidence of that lie, it makes your entire statement look like a lie. The prosecutor will ask: Why did he lie to the police? Why indeed would he lie to the police, unless he were guilty?

That little white lie could be used to destroy your
credibility at trial.

An example would be a man who is questioned about a murder. He wants to sound innocent. He wants to sound non-violent. He is, in fact, innocent. So he denies everything. He denies the killing. He denies being in the area where the killing occurred on the night that it occurred. He denies owning a gun, and denies that he has ever owned a gun in his whole life. But it Turns out that this last statement is not true, And the police can prove it. He did at one time during his life own a gun. Now he has told a lie and the police have caught him and things will only go downhill from there. Although he is innocent of the murder, he has told a lie that will be used to destroy his credibility at trial and could be the cause of his conviction.

REASON #4: Even if you are innocent, and you only tell the truth, and you dont tell any little white lies, it is possible to give the police some detail of information that can be used to convict you.

For example, a suspect is being questioned about a murder. He is truly innocent of the murder. But in the course of explaining his innocence, he makes the statement that he never liked the victim, because the victim was not a nice guy. A statement like that could be used to prove motive.

Or in the course of the statement, the suspect might admit that he was in the area of town where the murder was committed at the time it was committed. Although hes innocent and although this statement is true, the prosecutor could use that statement to suggest that the suspect had the opportunity to commit the crime, which looks very bad in front of a jury.

James Kirk Piccione

The rest can be read here: http://www.kirkpiccione.com/10-reasons-not-talk-police/

Mind you, this is Louisiana and justice there is rather...well.....

Still I found this to be interesting.  Do you agree or disagree with any of the reasons listed? 

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Who's gonna read all that?
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Who's gonna read all that?themajormayor
yeah. I'll change it
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Who's gonna read all that?themajormayor
I just did, good read
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#5 Masculus
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He's dead right about it.

One more advice should be: don't hire dumb lawyers (or public ones), they'll **** you up.

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#6 thebest31406
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He's dead right about it.

One more advice should be: don't hire dumb lawyers (or public ones), they'll **** you up.

Masculus
No doubt. Unfortunately, many poor folks don't have a choice in the matter. Justice for profit .
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Something about this article rubs me the wrong way. It's working under the assumption that the police are talking to a person because they consider that person to be a suspect, but it's also entirely possible that they're simply talking to that person because they don't have any suspects and they're hoping to find a witness or something.
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#8 Pittfan666
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My neighbors had a domestic dispute at two am last month. Police were outside and the whole shebang. Thought about turning the light outside on for them but figured the best bet was to not get involved.
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#9 thebest31406
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Something about this article rubs me the wrong way. It's working under the assumption that the police are talking to a person because they consider that person to be a suspect, but it's also entirely possible that they're simply talking to that person because they don't have any suspects and they're hoping to find a witness or something.MrGeezer
Maybe it has to do with the state. Louisiana has one of the worst criminal justice systems of any state. Perhaps there it's assumed that the police are not in place to conduct honest police work.
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#10 Young_Charter
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TC, what is your opinion on this ? It is interesting, but getting involved with the law period is quite stressful. Your better off minding your own business and staying out of trouble.
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#11 thebest31406
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TC, what is your opinion on this ? It is interesting, but getting involved with the law period is quite stressful. Your better off minding your own business and staying out of trouble. Young_Charter
What do you mean 'getting involved'? Do you mean posting this topic?
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Good stuff 

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#13 Young_Charter
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Your opinion on his top 10 list.
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#14 thebest31406
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Your opinion on his top 10 list.Young_Charter
Oh...you scared me for a moment lol. I think it kinda goes without saying. The problem is that most people there don't have the privilege of keeping their mouth shut while having an expensive lawyer to do all the talking for them. In addition, the police there are third-world world insane and any sort of un-cooperation may net you a beating if not worst. I think it's good advice but not advice that everyone is in the position to take.
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#15 Squeets
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This is all true... I have had lawyers and even police say the same things to me... 

The only things you should say to police:

- Name (required in most states, but you should tell them anyways).

- And in some states you are required to do this, but you should anyways everywhere to avoid bullshit... Inform them you have a conceal and carry on your person or in your vehicle if stopped.  Things can get out of hand very quickly if an officer asks for your license, registration, and proof of insurance and you open a glovebox without saying anything and there is a gun laying in there...

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This is all true... I have had lawyers and even police say the same things to me... 

The only things you should say to police:

- Name (required in most states, but you should tell them anyways).

- And in some states you are required to do this, but you should anyways everywhere to avoid bullshit... Inform them you have a conceal and carry on your person or in your vehicle if stopped.  Things can get out of hand very quickly if an officer asks for your license, registration, and proof of insurance and you open a glovebox without saying anything and there is a gun laying in there...

Squeets
That is good advice. I'm sure something like that would ease the tension a bit lol..
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Did anyone else read that in William Shatner's voice?

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Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.
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Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.Cube_of_MooN
Keep in mind that the lawyer resides in Louisiana where some of the most corrupt criminal justice practices take place - New Orleans in particular. So his recommendation might be sound in that particular area, as long as you have the money.
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Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.Cube_of_MooN

Many police departments give over time hours for each ticket they write over their quota.. What defines a good DA to the higher ups is their conviction rate.. Regardless if the people that are convicted are innocent or not.. If police and the DA were trusted they wouldn't have the 5th amendment or having your rights being read, namely the right to remain silent..

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[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.sSubZerOo

Many police departments give over time hours for each ticket they write over their quota.. What defines a good DA to the higher ups is their conviction rate.. Regardless if the people that are convicted are innocent or not.. If police and the DA were trusted they wouldn't have the 5th amendment or having your rights being read, namely the right to remain silent..

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#22 Stesilaus
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If they have evidence to arrest you for a crime, they will. If they don't, they won't. Its as simple as that.

James Kirk Piccione

The sinister blackshirts of the Obama regime will always be able to find the evidence ... whether or not it exists.

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#23 frannkzappa
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what a load of bullshit.

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#24 thebest31406
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what a load of bullshit.

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Care to elaborate?
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it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

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[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.sSubZerOo

Many police departments give over time hours for each ticket they write over their quota.. What defines a good DA to the higher ups is their conviction rate.. Regardless if the people that are convicted are innocent or not.. If police and the DA were trusted they wouldn't have the 5th amendment or having your rights being read, namely the right to remain silent..

I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I think the odds of an innocent person being convicted of something is pretty low, but it does happen of course. And in case of abuses by law enforcement, we do have those rights, 5th Amendment, right to an attorney, etc. I don't see those rights existing as evidence that the police cannot be trusted, but as blessings that allow us protection in case we feel we need it, because there are bad people out there in law enforcement, like any other area of society. I just personally don't operate under the assumption that the police are out to get me and that talking to them is pretty much going to land me in jail no matter what, which is the implication above.
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[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.thebest31406
Keep in mind that the lawyer resides in Louisiana where some of the most corrupt criminal justice practices take place - New Orleans in particular. So his recommendation might be sound in that particular area, as long as you have the money.

Kind of funny, because I moved to the New Orleans area a few weeks ago for a job. I am aware that the police around here aren't the greatest (most of all I get the impression that many of them just don't really care all that much), and the area you live in does play some role in how closely you follow advice like this, I think.
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it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

frannkzappa
Its full of good ideas. Ask any lawyers or most retired cops they would agree.
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what a load of bullshit.

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Please elaborate.. You're the only one so far who feels this way...
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it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

frannkzappa

lol

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]Only thing I don't like here is how it seems to imply that the police are out to get you in prison regardless of your guilt or innocence. I think in many places the police aren't out to put someone in prison just for the sake of having someone in jail for a given crime. That list has circulated the internet for a while probably because the internet has a strong anti-police mentality for whatever reason, even though we have one of the best law systems in the world here in America (and other countries like Canada or Britain are also extremely good). I'm not trying to sound naive by saying that you should trust the police no matter what; you should be cautious if you are ever brought in for questioning, and should get a lawyer if you feel uncomfortable. But taking a very hostile attitude to the police during a questioning I think is bound to attract more attention to you, which can hurt you and motivate the police into looking more carefully into you.Cube_of_MooN

Many police departments give over time hours for each ticket they write over their quota.. What defines a good DA to the higher ups is their conviction rate.. Regardless if the people that are convicted are innocent or not.. If police and the DA were trusted they wouldn't have the 5th amendment or having your rights being read, namely the right to remain silent..

I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I think the odds of an innocent person being convicted of something is pretty low, but it does happen of course. And in case of abuses by law enforcement, we do have those rights, 5th Amendment, right to an attorney, etc. I don't see those rights existing as evidence that the police cannot be trusted, but as blessings that allow us protection in case we feel we need it, because there are bad people out there in law enforcement, like any other area of society. I just personally don't operate under the assumption that the police are out to get me and that talking to them is pretty much going to land me in jail no matter what, which is the implication above.

The fact of the matter is this.. If your apprehended and in for questioning.. Your a suspect.. And you talking with out a lawyer present is the best way to screw your self regardless of innocence... Innocent people in the past have had the death penalty carried out on them.. When it comes to cases, their goal is to close them as fast and cleanly as possible.. Just like a DA's main goal is to get the highest conviction rate possible.. It is illogical to go down the route you suggest when the only thing that can come of it is helping them building a case against you.

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#32 thebest31406
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it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

frannkzappa
How does talking to the police without a lawyer hinder the legal process? It is a part of the legal process.
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#33 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

thebest31406

How does talking to the police without a lawyer hinder the legal process? It is a part of the legal process.

i quote

"Even if you're guilty, and you want to confess and get it off your chest, you still shouldn't talk to the police."

how does that not hinder the legal process?

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The fact of the matter is this.. If your apprehended and in for questioning.. Your a suspect.. And you talking with out a lawyer present is the best way to screw your self regardless of innocence... Innocent people in the past have had the death penalty carried out on them.. When it comes to cases, their goal is to close them as fast and cleanly as possible.. Just like a DA's main goal is to get the highest conviction rate possible.. It is illogical to go down the route you suggest when the only thing that can come of it is helping them building a case against you.

sSubZerOo
But the article isn't even talking about when you're a suspect and you've been apprehended. It advocates NEVER talking to the police even when you haven't been arrested and taken in for questioning. It's working under the faulty premise that the only reason they'd talk to you in the first place is because you're already a suspect, and that therefore you shouldn't say anything. Now, if one has been arrested, then I agree that they should STFU and not say anything until their laywer is present. But there are absolutely situations in which police will try to talk to someone who has not been arrested, there are absolutely situations in which the police will talk to people who aren't suspects.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The fact of the matter is this.. If your apprehended and in for questioning.. Your a suspect.. And you talking with out a lawyer present is the best way to screw your self regardless of innocence... Innocent people in the past have had the death penalty carried out on them.. When it comes to cases, their goal is to close them as fast and cleanly as possible.. Just like a DA's main goal is to get the highest conviction rate possible.. It is illogical to go down the route you suggest when the only thing that can come of it is helping them building a case against you.

MrGeezer

But the article isn't even talking about when you're a suspect and you've been apprehended. It advocates NEVER talking to the police even when you haven't been arrested and taken in for questioning. It's working under the faulty premise that the only reason they'd talk to you in the first place is because you're already a suspect, and that therefore you shouldn't say anything. Now, if one has been arrested, then I agree that they should STFU and not say anything until their laywer is present. But there are absolutely situations in which police will try to talk to someone who has not been arrested, there are absolutely situations in which the police will talk to people who aren't suspects.

Even if you are not a suspect talking to the police is bad. You could admit you did something that was illegal (lots of things are) or you could end up lying about something (accidently or intentionally) which could make you a suspect.

Here is a video for a class made by an law professor and retired cop talking about why talking to police is never helpful for you

 

 

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#36 Cube_of_MooN
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Many police departments give over time hours for each ticket they write over their quota.. What defines a good DA to the higher ups is their conviction rate.. Regardless if the people that are convicted are innocent or not.. If police and the DA were trusted they wouldn't have the 5th amendment or having your rights being read, namely the right to remain silent..

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I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I think the odds of an innocent person being convicted of something is pretty low, but it does happen of course. And in case of abuses by law enforcement, we do have those rights, 5th Amendment, right to an attorney, etc. I don't see those rights existing as evidence that the police cannot be trusted, but as blessings that allow us protection in case we feel we need it, because there are bad people out there in law enforcement, like any other area of society. I just personally don't operate under the assumption that the police are out to get me and that talking to them is pretty much going to land me in jail no matter what, which is the implication above.

The fact of the matter is this.. If your apprehended and in for questioning.. Your a suspect.. And you talking with out a lawyer present is the best way to screw your self regardless of innocence... Innocent people in the past have had the death penalty carried out on them.. When it comes to cases, their goal is to close them as fast and cleanly as possible.. Just like a DA's main goal is to get the highest conviction rate possible.. It is illogical to go down the route you suggest when the only thing that can come of it is helping them building a case against you.

If they are just questioning you about something (like at your house, for example), then I would say there's no real need to aggressively stay silent, so long are you are honest and truthful, especially if they are asking you about someone else or something you may have witnessed. But if the questions start having a noticeable edge to them, or if you have been detained and about to be arrested, then I would agree, getting a lawyer might be the best move.
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#37 thebest31406
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it's full of blatant bias, and actively supports hindering the legal process.

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How does talking to the police without a lawyer hinder the legal process? It is a part of the legal process.

i quote

"Even if you're guilty, and you want to confess and get it off your chest, you still shouldn't talk to the police."

how does that not hinder the legal process?

Well he elaborates with saying that you should still talk to a lawyer first. You still take responsibility for the crime except the state doesn't completely dictate your punishment.
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#38 MrGeezer
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Even if you are not a suspect talking to the police is bad. You could admit you did something that was illegal (lots of things are) or you could end up lying about something (accidently or intentionally) which could make you a suspect.

Here is a video for a class made by an law professor and retired cop talking about why talking to police is never helpful for you

 

 

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Or you could end up providing helpful information which actually leads to the arrest and conviction of the person who is actually guilty. Many murderers, rapists, and thieves would still be running around free if there wasn't some other person willing to talk to police.
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#39 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] How does talking to the police without a lawyer hinder the legal process? It is a part of the legal process.thebest31406

i quote

"Even if you're guilty, and you want to confess and get it off your chest, you still shouldn't talk to the police."

how does that not hinder the legal process?

Well he elaborates with saying that you should still talk to a lawyer first. You still take responsibility for the crime except the state doesn't completely dictate your punishment.

He just wants business at the expense of legal expediency.

and you should know by now that i espouse that the state should always trump private.

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[QUOTE="Person0"]Even if you are not a suspect talking to the police is bad. You could admit you did something that was illegal (lots of things are) or you could end up lying about something (accidently or intentionally) which could make you a suspect.

Here is a video for a class made by an law professor and retired cop talking about why talking to police is never helpful for you

 

 

MrGeezer
Or you could end up providing helpful information which actually leads to the arrest and conviction of the person who is actually guilty. Many murderers, rapists, and thieves would still be running around free if there wasn't some other person willing to talk to police.

And how do you know that you are not a suspect in the case the police are questioning about?
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#41 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i quote

"Even if you're guilty, and you want to confess and get it off your chest, you still shouldn't talk to the police."

how does that not hinder the legal process?

frannkzappa

Well he elaborates with saying that you should still talk to a lawyer first. You still take responsibility for the crime except the state doesn't completely dictate your punishment.

He just wants business at the expense of legal expediency.

and you should know by know that i espouse that the state should always trump private.

Of course, this guy isn't a moral agent or a human rights advocate. He is a for-profit attorney, so much of his advice is probably geared toward you spending your money on him. Saying that, on it's own I think a lot of what was written is sound advice.
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[QUOTE="Person0"] And how do you know that you are not a suspect in the case the police are questioning about?

You obviously don't. But I don't see how withholding valuable evidence that could point to the real culprit makes you less of a suspect. If you were a suspect before, then you're still gonna be a suspect if you don't say anything. By that logic, even victims shouldn't talk to the police. If you're the victim of a crime, the police might think that you faked it or that you committed the crime yourself, so I guess you'd better not talk to the police then either. The result is the same. It's advocating withholding information which could be used to catch real criminals, just on the off chance that maybe it might make you out as a suspect. Well, the less information they have, the more likely they're gonna suspect the wrong person of committing the crime. And on a moral level, I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night knowing that I could have helped bring someone's attacker to justice but chose not to because I was too chicken$hit to say anything.
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#43 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Well he elaborates with saying that you should still talk to a lawyer first. You still take responsibility for the crime except the state doesn't completely dictate your punishment. thebest31406

He just wants business at the expense of legal expediency.

and you should know by know that i espouse that the state should always trump private.

Of course, this guy isn't a moral agent or a human rights advocate. He is a for-profit attorney, so much of his advice is probably geared toward you spending your money on him. Saying that, on it's own I think a lot of what was written is sound advice.

well i value a just and expedient legal system over an attorneys wallet.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Person0"] And how do you know that you are not a suspect in the case the police are questioning about?

You obviously don't. But I don't see how withholding valuable evidence that could point to the real culprit makes you less of a suspect. If you were a suspect before, then you're still gonna be a suspect if you don't say anything. By that logic, even victims shouldn't talk to the police. If you're the victim of a crime, the police might think that you faked it or that you committed the crime yourself, so I guess you'd better not talk to the police then either. The result is the same. It's advocating withholding information which could be used to catch real criminals, just on the off chance that maybe it might make you out as a suspect. Well, the less information they have, the more likely they're gonna suspect the wrong person of committing the crime. And on a moral level, I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night knowing that I could have helped bring someone's attacker to justice but chose not to because I was too chicken$hit to say anything.

Because no matter what you say even if its all true and not incriminating in any way, the police will use your statements against if they have any mistaken or unreliable evidence showing that you lied in any way. I'd rather have a guilty person get away then have an innocent person go to jail.
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#45 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

He just wants business at the expense of legal expediency.

 

 

and you should know by know that i espouse that the state should always trump private.

frannkzappa

Of course, this guy isn't a moral agent or a human rights advocate. He is a for-profit attorney, so much of his advice is probably geared toward you spending your money on him. Saying that, on it's own I think a lot of what was written is sound advice.

well i value a just and expedient legal system over an attorneys wallet.

So do I. I only wish the US had such a system.

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#46 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Of course, this guy isn't a moral agent or a human rights advocate. He is a for-profit attorney, so much of his advice is probably geared toward you spending your money on him. Saying that, on it's own I think a lot of what was written is sound advice.thebest31406

well i value a just and expedient legal system over an attorneys wallet.

So do I. I only wish the US had such a system.

so do i, but this attorney is not interested in helping anyone but himself.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

well i value a just and expedient legal system over an attorneys wallet.

frannkzappa

So do I. I only wish the US had such a system.

so do i, but this attorney is not interested in helping anyone but himself.

And help stopping innocent people from getting convicted and/or guilty people from having even longer sentences.
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#48 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="Person0"] Because no matter what you say even if its all true and not incriminating in any way, the police will use your statements against if they have any mistaken or unreliable evidence showing that you lied in any way. I'd rather have a guilty person get away then have an innocent person go to jail.

If that were the case then there wouldn't be guilty people getting arrested based on evidence provided by witnesses. People provide mistaken or unreliable evidence all the time, do you honestly think that all those people are becoming suspects simply by virtue of their information not being reliable enough to go on? Exactly what percentage of witnesses end up becoming suspects just because their information wasn't reliable? What are we talking about here, 50%? 10%? 0.5%?
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Person0"] Because no matter what you say even if its all true and not incriminating in any way, the police will use your statements against if they have any mistaken or unreliable evidence showing that you lied in any way. I'd rather have a guilty person get away then have an innocent person go to jail.

If that were the case then there wouldn't be guilty people getting arrested based on evidence provided by witnesses. People provide mistaken or unreliable evidence all the time, do you honestly think that all those people are becoming suspects simply by virtue of their information not being reliable enough to go on? Exactly what percentage of witnesses end up becoming suspects just because their information wasn't reliable? What are we talking about here, 50%? 10%? 0.5%?

Never said innocent witnesses are always convicted of crimes but it happens enough. Hell there have been 142 exonerations of people on death row, these cases are the most drawn out having the most opportunities for a person prove their innocence yet innocent people are still convicted many times. If innocent people are put on death row in such high numbers and in such long and drawn out cases with numerous appeals, people convicted of lesser crimes are obviously more likely to be convicted when innocent.
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#50 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="Person0"] Never said innocent witnesses are always convicted of crimes but it happens enough. Hell there have been 142 exonerations of people on death row, these cases are the most drawn out having the most opportunities for a person prove their innocence yet innocent people are still convicted many times. If innocent people are put on death row in such high numbers and in such long and drawn out cases with numerous appeals, people convicted of lesser crimes are obviously more likely to be convicted when innocent.

And what is the likelihood of someone being wrongly arrested or convicted for talking to the police? Suppose you've seen a crime or have been victim of a crime or happened to overhear details of a crime. If you provide that information to the police, what is the likelihood of that making you a suspect or leading to your arrest, vs the likelihood of it leading to the arrest of the person who actually committed the crime? If you're going to advocate not talking to the police on the grounds that "it's better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be convicted", then it sort of actually has to be established that talking to police is more likely to result in an innocent person being arrested.