Bangladeshi garment factory collapses-killing 352 people

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for ayaqoob1
ayaqoob1

41

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1 ayaqoob1
Member since 2012 • 41 Posts
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/27/us-bangladesh-building-idUSBRE93N06P20130427 http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/world/asia/bangladesh-building-collapse/index.html?hpt=wo_c1 "The collapse in suburban Dhaka occurred Wednesday morning, a day after cracks appeared in the structure. It has stirred outrage in Bangladesh over lax safety standards in the country's key industry. Most of the victims appear to have been garment factory workers, who had been told to report to work despite their concerns that the building's structure was not sound. The cracks led the bank to order its employees not to report for work Wednesday, and the shops in the mall were closed because of a strike." This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. This is what gives the west the living standard it has. Really, we are all to blame. I wonder want Laihendi and other libertarians would say about this. This happened in a country with little to no regulations and very weak labor laws. A libertarian's dream "
Avatar image for MrGeezer
MrGeezer

59765

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2 MrGeezer
Member since 2002 • 59765 Posts
[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"] This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods.

I don't know, man. Even if no one cares about the workers, most people (even capitalists) tend to care about self-preservation. The people responsible for this are gonna be in serious legal $***. And even if they get away with it from a legal standpoint, people are gonna be out for their heads.
Avatar image for FPSunionOWNS
FPSunionOWNS

2030

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#3 FPSunionOWNS
Member since 2007 • 2030 Posts
[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/27/us-bangladesh-building-idUSBRE93N06P20130427 http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/world/asia/bangladesh-building-collapse/index.html?hpt=wo_c1 "The collapse in suburban Dhaka occurred Wednesday morning, a day after cracks appeared in the structure. It has stirred outrage in Bangladesh over lax safety standards in the country's key industry. Most of the victims appear to have been garment factory workers, who had been told to report to work despite their concerns that the building's structure was not sound. The cracks led the bank to order its employees not to report for work Wednesday, and the shops in the mall were closed because of a strike." This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. This is what gives the west the living standard it has. Really, we are all to blame. I wonder want Laihendi and other libertarians would say about this. This happened in a country with little to no regulations and very weak labor laws. A libertarian's dream "

I feel as if april has the record for most people on earth dying in one month, hopefully may is a better month.
Avatar image for Bane_09
Bane_09

3394

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4 Bane_09
Member since 2010 • 3394 Posts

Such a waste of life, dying in a garment factory would be horrible

Avatar image for Zeviander
Zeviander

9503

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#5 Zeviander
Member since 2011 • 9503 Posts
This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. ayaqoob1
This is out-sourcing to a third world country. Socialism wouldn't make this better (all examples saw the deaths of many millions from starvation).
Avatar image for seahorse123
seahorse123

1237

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6 seahorse123
Member since 2012 • 1237 Posts
And the really sad thing is no one cares.
Avatar image for Bane_09
Bane_09

3394

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7 Bane_09
Member since 2010 • 3394 Posts

And the really sad thing is no one cares.seahorse123

You can't have a captain picard avatar with that attitude

Avatar image for leviathan91
leviathan91

7763

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#8 leviathan91
Member since 2007 • 7763 Posts

Yes this is capitalism's fault and we should abandon it completely and pursue socialism because obviously that's so perfect.

This thread is full of herp and derp.

Regardless of the stupidity of this thread, it's depressing to hear stories like this.

Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#9 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

" This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. ayaqoob1
\

Umm what?
They wouldn't have had jobs, let alone a shelter from the elements if they didn't work at this factory.

 

I know you, and I, living in the places we live, wouldn't be working for $30-40 per month as these people do, however their living expenses are vastly lower, as is their cost of food.

I've heard too many stories of children with no employable skills working to support their disabled/sick parents, making $2 a week collecting firewood until they can finally make that $5-10 a week making shoes. It doesn't seem like much, but these factories provide huge advantages for those with no job skills, as they're trained and employed.

Avatar image for leviathan91
leviathan91

7763

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#10 leviathan91
Member since 2007 • 7763 Posts

[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]" This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. Nibroc420

\

Umm what?
They wouldn't have had jobs, let alone a shelter from the elements if they didn't work at this factory.

 

I know you, and I, living in the places we live, wouldn't be working for $30-40 per month as these people do, however their living expenses are vastly lower, as is their cost of food.

I've heard too many stories of children with no employable skills working to support their disabled/sick parents, making $2 a week collecting firewood until they can finally make that $5-10 a week making shoes. It doesn't seem like much, but these factories provide huge advantages for those with no job skills, as they're trained and employed.

The thing is, they're not being forced to work, they choose to work. There was a situation in one of the Asian countries where child labor became illegal and, in return, saw an influx in child prostitution.

Our country is different from theres. We've already developed while others are still developing. All these countries can do is learn from our past mistakes but at the same time, we can't try to influence their policy every single time.

Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#11 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
The thing is, they're not being forced to work, they choose to work. leviathan91
Thanks for simply repeating what i've said :P
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#13 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.kuraimen
They pay more than the national average in Bangladesh...
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#14 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.Nibroc420
They pay more than the national average in Bangladesh...

But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#15 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.kuraimen
They pay more than the national average in Bangladesh...

But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations.

Different countries have different regulations. We cannot demand every new farm/factory in a 3rd world country to be earthquake-proof, the costs would skyrocket and there would be riots.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#16 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] They pay more than the national average in Bangladesh...

But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations.

Different countries have different regulations. We cannot demand every new farm/factory in a 3rd world country to be earthquake-proof, the costs would skyrocket and there would be riots.

You can't oblige them but companies can refuse to work with them unless they meet a series of standards which will put pressure in them. Right now they're promoting this type of behavior by playing along with it.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#17 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations.

Different countries have different regulations. We cannot demand every new farm/factory in a 3rd world country to be earthquake-proof, the costs would skyrocket and there would be riots.

You can't oblige them but companies can refuse to work with them unless they meet a series of standards which will put pressure in them. Right now they're promoting this type of behavior by playing along with it.

Might as well say all the Japanese folks are responsible for Fukushima, by using the power generated by the reactor, they supported unsafe working practice. :roll: It's a nice try, but these people have very little, and are working their hardest to keep themselves and their family alive. It would be best to let them continue to work and earn money, rather than to end their line of income.Which would force them to collect random shit (like sticks for firewood) from the jungle, for less than a quarter the income they're currently receiving.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#18 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Different countries have different regulations. We cannot demand every new farm/factory in a 3rd world country to be earthquake-proof, the costs would skyrocket and there would be riots.

You can't oblige them but companies can refuse to work with them unless they meet a series of standards which will put pressure in them. Right now they're promoting this type of behavior by playing along with it.

Might as well say all the Japanese folks are responsible for Fukushima, by using the power generated by the reactor, they supported unsafe working practice. :roll: It's a nice try, but these people have very little, and are working their hardest to keep themselves and their family alive. It would be best to let them continue to work and earn money, rather than to end their line of income.Which would force them to collect random shit (like sticks for firewood) from the jungle, for less than a quarter the income they're currently receiving.

That's a ridiculous justification. That's like saying we should allow slavery since some people would be better being slaves than starving to death in Africa. You can't justify an atrocious act because it prevents another. That's highly unethical behavior. People should be guaranteed a dignified life. Maybe changes won't happen soon but they will happen sooner if there's more pressure for change and not playing along with it. And the fukushima example is pretty bad for comparison. The plant had safety regulations in order but extraordinary accidents happen sometimes. The Bangladesh example is one of negligence and irresponsibility.
Avatar image for osirisx3
osirisx3

2113

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#19 osirisx3
Member since 2012 • 2113 Posts

thanks capitalism

Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#20 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] You can't oblige them but companies can refuse to work with them unless they meet a series of standards which will put pressure in them. Right now they're promoting this type of behavior by playing along with it.

Might as well say all the Japanese folks are responsible for Fukushima, by using the power generated by the reactor, they supported unsafe working practice. :roll: It's a nice try, but these people have very little, and are working their hardest to keep themselves and their family alive. It would be best to let them continue to work and earn money, rather than to end their line of income.Which would force them to collect random shit (like sticks for firewood) from the jungle, for less than a quarter the income they're currently receiving.

That's a ridiculous justification. That's like saying we should allow slavery since some people would be better being slaves than starving to death in Africa. You can't justify an atrocious act because it prevents another. That's highly unethical behavior. People should be guaranteed a dignified life. Maybe changes won't happen soon but they will happen sooner if there's more pressure for change and not playing along with it. And the fukushima example is pretty bad for comparison. The plant had safety regulations in order but extraordinary accidents happen sometimes. The Bangladesh example is one of negligence and irresponsibility.

Fukushima didn't have all it's safety regulations in order, and their emergency generators failed on two separate occasions; So it's a fair comparison to this. These workers CHOSE to work there, so it's unfair for you to consider them slaves. They knew they'd make more money in this factory, than selling sticks as firewood.
Avatar image for ayaqoob1
ayaqoob1

41

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#21 ayaqoob1
Member since 2012 • 41 Posts
Yes they make the choice between starving and working in dangerous conditions and risk dying. What a great choice!
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#22 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
Yes they make the choice between starving and working in dangerous conditions and risk dying. What a great choice!ayaqoob1
They could make money elsewhere. Clearly you've never heard of Danger Pay.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#23 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Might as well say all the Japanese folks are responsible for Fukushima, by using the power generated by the reactor, they supported unsafe working practice. :roll: It's a nice try, but these people have very little, and are working their hardest to keep themselves and their family alive. It would be best to let them continue to work and earn money, rather than to end their line of income.Which would force them to collect random shit (like sticks for firewood) from the jungle, for less than a quarter the income they're currently receiving.

That's a ridiculous justification. That's like saying we should allow slavery since some people would be better being slaves than starving to death in Africa. You can't justify an atrocious act because it prevents another. That's highly unethical behavior. People should be guaranteed a dignified life. Maybe changes won't happen soon but they will happen sooner if there's more pressure for change and not playing along with it. And the fukushima example is pretty bad for comparison. The plant had safety regulations in order but extraordinary accidents happen sometimes. The Bangladesh example is one of negligence and irresponsibility.

Fukushima didn't have all it's safety regulations in order, and their emergency generators failed on two separate occasions; So it's a fair comparison to this. These workers CHOSE to work there, so it's unfair for you to consider them slaves. They knew they'd make more money in this factory, than selling sticks as firewood.

If you put a person to choose between jumping off a bridge or blowing his brains off then the person is also choosing but it's hardly a fair set of options. Taking advantage of people in need because they have not many choices is even more unethical. The ones who provide the options for them should be responsible enough to guarantee people are going to be treated with dignity at the very least. Add for the Fukushima ok then it was negligence from the owners of the plant and the authorities for not having enough well set regulations.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#24 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]Yes they make the choice between starving and working in dangerous conditions and risk dying. What a great choice!Nibroc420
They could make money elsewhere. Clearly you've never heard of Danger Pay.

A manufacturing plant for clothes shouldn't be a dangerous place to work unless the owner is an irresponsible prick. It's the same when people buy stolen goods. The responsibility not only falls on the thieve but those promoting the behavior by buying from him.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#25 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a ridiculous justification. That's like saying we should allow slavery since some people would be better being slaves than starving to death in Africa. You can't justify an atrocious act because it prevents another. That's highly unethical behavior. People should be guaranteed a dignified life. Maybe changes won't happen soon but they will happen sooner if there's more pressure for change and not playing along with it. And the fukushima example is pretty bad for comparison. The plant had safety regulations in order but extraordinary accidents happen sometimes. The Bangladesh example is one of negligence and irresponsibility.kuraimen
Fukushima didn't have all it's safety regulations in order, and their emergency generators failed on two separate occasions; So it's a fair comparison to this. These workers CHOSE to work there, so it's unfair for you to consider them slaves. They knew they'd make more money in this factory, than selling sticks as firewood.

If you put a person to choose between jumping off a bridge or blowing his brains off then the person is also choosing but it's hardly a fair set of options. Taking advantage of people in need because they have not many choices is even more unethical. The ones who provide the options for them should be responsible enough to guarantee people are going to be treated with dignity at the very least. Add for the Fukushima ok then it was negligence from the owners of the plant and the authorities for not having enough well set regulations.

Look, you can collect sticks at $5 a week, or you can come work in my dangerous factory and make $20 a week.
You can survive off $5, just barely, but if you're willing to take a risk, the danger pay is worth it.

danger money n (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) extra money paid to compensate for the risks involved in certain dangerous jobs

Either you accept the dangerous conditions and the pay increase that comes with it, or you don't.
No-one forced these workers to work there, they simply offered them jobs.

As for Fukushima, the citizens who were using the power generated by the reactor were inadverantly supporting the poor safety at the reactor.

Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#26 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Fukushima didn't have all it's safety regulations in order, and their emergency generators failed on two separate occasions; So it's a fair comparison to this. These workers CHOSE to work there, so it's unfair for you to consider them slaves. They knew they'd make more money in this factory, than selling sticks as firewood.

If you put a person to choose between jumping off a bridge or blowing his brains off then the person is also choosing but it's hardly a fair set of options. Taking advantage of people in need because they have not many choices is even more unethical. The ones who provide the options for them should be responsible enough to guarantee people are going to be treated with dignity at the very least. Add for the Fukushima ok then it was negligence from the owners of the plant and the authorities for not having enough well set regulations.

Look, you can collect sticks at $5 a week, or you can come work in my dangerous factory and make $20 a week. You can survive off $5, just barely, but if you're willing to take a risk, the danger pay is worth it. danger money n (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) extra money paid to compensate for the risks involved in certain dangerous jobs Either you accept the dangerous conditions and the pay increase that comes with it, or you don't. No-one forced these workers to work there, they simply offered them jobs.

Again this people shouldn't be working in dangerous conditions on a manufacturing plant if the plant had enough regulations. The delusion that people are only responsible for themselves is an outdated, irrational and dangerous look at society specially considering that we're social beings and social responsibility is something we should strive for if we want to make this world a better place. The options a person has in life don't only depend on them they depend on the context they grew in, on their family and friends, on the type of education they received on personal situations like having 4 kids to feed. The options you have are limited by many of those factors and if, on top of that, you have a society that doesn't promote social responsibility then society itself is guilty of allowing unethical behavior to go unchecked. Sure there's a quota of personal responsibility on everything but that's hardly all there is to it. The responsibilities are shared and you can't just wash your hands and justify your unethical behavior while throwing the responsibility entirely on the other side.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#27 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] If you put a person to choose between jumping off a bridge or blowing his brains off then the person is also choosing but it's hardly a fair set of options. Taking advantage of people in need because they have not many choices is even more unethical. The ones who provide the options for them should be responsible enough to guarantee people are going to be treated with dignity at the very least. Add for the Fukushima ok then it was negligence from the owners of the plant and the authorities for not having enough well set regulations.

Look, you can collect sticks at $5 a week, or you can come work in my dangerous factory and make $20 a week. You can survive off $5, just barely, but if you're willing to take a risk, the danger pay is worth it. danger money n (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) extra money paid to compensate for the risks involved in certain dangerous jobs Either you accept the dangerous conditions and the pay increase that comes with it, or you don't. No-one forced these workers to work there, they simply offered them jobs.

Again this people shouldn't be working in dangerous conditions on a manufacturing plant if the plant had enough regulations. The delusion that people are only responsible for themselves is an outdated, irrational and dangerous look at society specially considering that we're social beings and social responsibility is something we should strive for if we want to make this world a better place. The options a person has in life don't only depend on them they depend on the context they grew in, on their family and friends, on the type of education they received on personal situations like having 4 kids to feed. The options you have are limited by many of those factors and if, on top of that, you have a society that doesn't promote social responsibility then society itself is guilty of allowing unethical behavior to go unchecked. Sure there's a quota of personal responsibility on everything but that's hardly all there is to it. The responsibilities are shared and you can't just wash your hands and justify your unethical behavior while throwing the responsibility entirely on the other side.

>People were working minimum wage >Company comes around, saying they'll pay double minimum, but it's a risky job. >Some people agree to the riskier job, and see it as a way to get ahead in life. Now when that risk finally is realized, everyone is hating on the company, despite the workers being warned, and being given danger pay as agreed upon.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#28 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Look, you can collect sticks at $5 a week, or you can come work in my dangerous factory and make $20 a week. You can survive off $5, just barely, but if you're willing to take a risk, the danger pay is worth it. danger money n (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) extra money paid to compensate for the risks involved in certain dangerous jobs Either you accept the dangerous conditions and the pay increase that comes with it, or you don't. No-one forced these workers to work there, they simply offered them jobs.

Again this people shouldn't be working in dangerous conditions on a manufacturing plant if the plant had enough regulations. The delusion that people are only responsible for themselves is an outdated, irrational and dangerous look at society specially considering that we're social beings and social responsibility is something we should strive for if we want to make this world a better place. The options a person has in life don't only depend on them they depend on the context they grew in, on their family and friends, on the type of education they received on personal situations like having 4 kids to feed. The options you have are limited by many of those factors and if, on top of that, you have a society that doesn't promote social responsibility then society itself is guilty of allowing unethical behavior to go unchecked. Sure there's a quota of personal responsibility on everything but that's hardly all there is to it. The responsibilities are shared and you can't just wash your hands and justify your unethical behavior while throwing the responsibility entirely on the other side.

>People were working minimum wage >Company comes around, saying they'll pay double minimum, but it's a risky job. >Some people agree to the riskier job, and see it as a way to get ahead in life. Now when that risk finally is realized, everyone is hating on the company, despite the workers being warned, and being given danger pay as agreed upon.

Again their options are limited. If I go to a worker who has a starving family and tell him: if you become my slave you'll suffer a lot but your family would have everything they want for the rest of their lives. And he accepts. Sure he's being responsible for his own demise but that doesn't make me any less of an unethical asshole that is taking advantage of a person in need. He will have to pay for his decision but I shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked because I'm basically a criminal.
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#29 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again this people shouldn't be working in dangerous conditions on a manufacturing plant if the plant had enough regulations. The delusion that people are only responsible for themselves is an outdated, irrational and dangerous look at society specially considering that we're social beings and social responsibility is something we should strive for if we want to make this world a better place. The options a person has in life don't only depend on them they depend on the context they grew in, on their family and friends, on the type of education they received on personal situations like having 4 kids to feed. The options you have are limited by many of those factors and if, on top of that, you have a society that doesn't promote social responsibility then society itself is guilty of allowing unethical behavior to go unchecked. Sure there's a quota of personal responsibility on everything but that's hardly all there is to it. The responsibilities are shared and you can't just wash your hands and justify your unethical behavior while throwing the responsibility entirely on the other side.

>People were working minimum wage >Company comes around, saying they'll pay double minimum, but it's a risky job. >Some people agree to the riskier job, and see it as a way to get ahead in life. Now when that risk finally is realized, everyone is hating on the company, despite the workers being warned, and being given danger pay as agreed upon.

Again their options are limited. If I go to a worker who has a starving family and tell him: if you become my slave you'll suffer a lot but your family would have everything they want for the rest of their lives. And he accepts. Sure he's being responsible for his own demise but that doesn't make me any less of an unethical asshole that is taking advantage of a person in need. He will have to pay for his decision but I shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked because I'm basically a criminal.

Everyone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas.
Avatar image for osirisx3
osirisx3

2113

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#30 osirisx3
Member since 2012 • 2113 Posts

People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.

Avatar image for dramaybaz
dramaybaz

6020

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#31 dramaybaz
Member since 2005 • 6020 Posts

I feel as if april has the record for most people on earth dying in one month, hopefully may is a better month.FPSunionOWNS
I very much doubt April being the record.

Sad thing is not many will care.

Even sad is how people are saying "well they chose to work there" "could have gone elsewhere" "The money was enough for their place"

Umm no, they live in utter poverty, with extremely basic shelter, food, or medical help.

Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#32 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.

osirisx3
You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst.
Avatar image for ayaqoob1
ayaqoob1

41

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33 ayaqoob1
Member since 2012 • 41 Posts
[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.

Nibroc420
You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst.

Really? Are you sure they're up to the standards of the thousands of garment workers striking right now?
Avatar image for Nibroc420
Nibroc420

13571

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#34 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="osirisx3"]

People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.

ayaqoob1
You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst.

Really? Are you sure they're up to the standards of the thousands of garment workers striking right now?

They weren't complaining when they were making well over minimum wage, and knew full well it was because of a dangerous work environment. I've seen riots over things far less important, like hockey.
Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#35 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] >People were working minimum wage >Company comes around, saying they'll pay double minimum, but it's a risky job. >Some people agree to the riskier job, and see it as a way to get ahead in life. Now when that risk finally is realized, everyone is hating on the company, despite the workers being warned, and being given danger pay as agreed upon.

Again their options are limited. If I go to a worker who has a starving family and tell him: if you become my slave you'll suffer a lot but your family would have everything they want for the rest of their lives. And he accepts. Sure he's being responsible for his own demise but that doesn't make me any less of an unethical asshole that is taking advantage of a person in need. He will have to pay for his decision but I shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked because I'm basically a criminal.

Everyone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas.

There should be laws against companies making workers work on a building that is in risk of collapsing and killing all of them as there are laws against slavery too...
Avatar image for MrGeezer
MrGeezer

59765

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36 MrGeezer
Member since 2002 • 59765 Posts
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] They weren't complaining when they were making well over minimum wage, and knew full well it was because of a dangerous work environment. I've seen riots over things far less important, like hockey.

At that point, was it even clear that the building was unsafe? The article says that the building collapsed mere days after cracks started appearing.
Avatar image for BossPerson
BossPerson

9177

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#37 BossPerson
Member since 2011 • 9177 Posts
gotta love how god continues to take massive dumps on the poorest people in the world "allah is merciful"
Avatar image for Bane_09
Bane_09

3394

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#38 Bane_09
Member since 2010 • 3394 Posts

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again their options are limited. If I go to a worker who has a starving family and tell him: if you become my slave you'll suffer a lot but your family would have everything they want for the rest of their lives. And he accepts. Sure he's being responsible for his own demise but that doesn't make me any less of an unethical asshole that is taking advantage of a person in need. He will have to pay for his decision but I shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked because I'm basically a criminal.kuraimen
Everyone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas.

There should be laws against companies making workers work on a building that is in risk of collapsing and killing all of them as there are laws against slavery too...

There should be, should isn't reality though sadly

Avatar image for Bane_09
Bane_09

3394

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#39 Bane_09
Member since 2010 • 3394 Posts

gotta love how god continues to take massive dumps on the poorest people in the world "allah is merciful" BossPerson

Well he's gotta dump somewhere, where else is he going to release his divine poo?

Avatar image for THE_DRUGGIE
THE_DRUGGIE

25110

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 140

User Lists: 0

#40 THE_DRUGGIE
Member since 2006 • 25110 Posts

I'm protesting wearing clothes until this injustice gets corrected!

Avatar image for Bane_09
Bane_09

3394

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41 Bane_09
Member since 2010 • 3394 Posts

I'm protesting wearing clothes until this injustice gets corrected!

THE_DRUGGIE

You are a true philanthropist

Avatar image for kuraimen
kuraimen

28078

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#42 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Everyone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas.Bane_09

There should be laws against companies making workers work on a building that is in risk of collapsing and killing all of them as there are laws against slavery too...

There should be, should isn't reality though sadly

Yeah but my initial point is that there are ways we can influence what happens. For example if the governments where those companies who buy from this people come from require the companies to meet certain quality standards on their workforce and, subsequently, the big companies themselves pressure the small ones elsewhere to comply then things could improve substantially.
Avatar image for dramaybaz
dramaybaz

6020

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#43 dramaybaz
Member since 2005 • 6020 Posts
Yay, lets turn yet another thread into a religious one..