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This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. ayaqoob1This is out-sourcing to a third world country. Socialism wouldn't make this better (all examples saw the deaths of many millions from starvation).
Yes this is capitalism's fault and we should abandon it completely and pursue socialism because obviously that's so perfect.
This thread is full of herp and derp.
Regardless of the stupidity of this thread, it's depressing to hear stories like this.
" This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. ayaqoob1\
Umm what?
They wouldn't have had jobs, let alone a shelter from the elements if they didn't work at this factory.
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I know you, and I, living in the places we live, wouldn't be working for $30-40 per month as these people do, however their living expenses are vastly lower, as is their cost of food.
I've heard too many stories of children with no employable skills working to support their disabled/sick parents, making $2 a week collecting firewood until they can finally make that $5-10 a week making shoes. It doesn't seem like much, but these factories provide huge advantages for those with no job skills, as they're trained and employed.
\[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]" This is capitalism folks, the workers don't matter, the only thing that matters is profit and cheaper goods. Walmart and other retailers who sell cheap clothes are partially at fault here. Nibroc420
Umm what?
They wouldn't have had jobs, let alone a shelter from the elements if they didn't work at this factory.
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I know you, and I, living in the places we live, wouldn't be working for $30-40 per month as these people do, however their living expenses are vastly lower, as is their cost of food.
I've heard too many stories of children with no employable skills working to support their disabled/sick parents, making $2 a week collecting firewood until they can finally make that $5-10 a week making shoes. It doesn't seem like much, but these factories provide huge advantages for those with no job skills, as they're trained and employed.
The thing is, they're not being forced to work, they choose to work. There was a situation in one of the Asian countries where child labor became illegal and, in return, saw an influx in child prostitution.
Our country is different from theres. We've already developed while others are still developing. All these countries can do is learn from our past mistakes but at the same time, we can't try to influence their policy every single time.
This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.kuraimenThey pay more than the national average in Bangladesh...
[QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.Nibroc420They pay more than the national average in Bangladesh... But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why we need regulations for companies both in the workforce country and in the company country. First world countries should prosecute companies that use abused or undignified workforces elsewhere.kuraimenThey pay more than the national average in Bangladesh... But they clearly don't work in dignified conditions if the building they work on collapses and kills them all. The market should start to implement some ethical considerations and regulations. Different countries have different regulations. We cannot demand every new farm/factory in a 3rd world country to be earthquake-proof, the costs would skyrocket and there would be riots.
[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]Yes they make the choice between starving and working in dangerous conditions and risk dying. What a great choice!Nibroc420They could make money elsewhere. Clearly you've never heard of Danger Pay. A manufacturing plant for clothes shouldn't be a dangerous place to work unless the owner is an irresponsible prick. It's the same when people buy stolen goods. The responsibility not only falls on the thieve but those promoting the behavior by buying from him.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a ridiculous justification. That's like saying we should allow slavery since some people would be better being slaves than starving to death in Africa. You can't justify an atrocious act because it prevents another. That's highly unethical behavior. People should be guaranteed a dignified life. Maybe changes won't happen soon but they will happen sooner if there's more pressure for change and not playing along with it. And the fukushima example is pretty bad for comparison. The plant had safety regulations in order but extraordinary accidents happen sometimes. The Bangladesh example is one of negligence and irresponsibility.kuraimenFukushima didn't have all it's safety regulations in order, and their emergency generators failed on two separate occasions; So it's a fair comparison to this. These workers CHOSE to work there, so it's unfair for you to consider them slaves. They knew they'd make more money in this factory, than selling sticks as firewood. If you put a person to choose between jumping off a bridge or blowing his brains off then the person is also choosing but it's hardly a fair set of options. Taking advantage of people in need because they have not many choices is even more unethical. The ones who provide the options for them should be responsible enough to guarantee people are going to be treated with dignity at the very least. Add for the Fukushima ok then it was negligence from the owners of the plant and the authorities for not having enough well set regulations. Look, you can collect sticks at $5 a week, or you can come work in my dangerous factory and make $20 a week.
danger money n (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) extra money paid to compensate for the risks involved in certain dangerous jobs
Either you accept the dangerous conditions and the pay increase that comes with it, or you don't.
No-one forced these workers to work there, they simply offered them jobs.
As for Fukushima, the citizens who were using the power generated by the reactor were inadverantly supporting the poor safety at the reactor.
People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.
I feel as if april has the record for most people on earth dying in one month, hopefully may is a better month.FPSunionOWNSI very much doubt April being the record.
Sad thing is not many will care.
Even sad is how people are saying "well they chose to work there" "could have gone elsewhere" "The money was enough for their place"
Umm no, they live in utter poverty, with extremely basic shelter, food, or medical help.
You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst.People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.
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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst. Really? Are you sure they're up to the standards of the thousands of garment workers striking right now?People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.
Nibroc420
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="osirisx3"]You only view it as dirty, because the conditions aren't up to your standards. Likewise you'd probably find the straw huts in some villages "barbaric", and the inability to have hot running water as horrific as well. Ethnocentrism at it's worst. Really? Are you sure they're up to the standards of the thousands of garment workers striking right now? They weren't complaining when they were making well over minimum wage, and knew full well it was because of a dangerous work environment. I've seen riots over things far less important, like hockey.People defending this are prove of how corrupt and evil capitalism is. They defend a company that hires the poorest people in the world to do their dirty business. They defend paying people pennies for risking their life. They act as if a starving family has much of a choice but to accept any work they can find.
ayaqoob1
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again their options are limited. If I go to a worker who has a starving family and tell him: if you become my slave you'll suffer a lot but your family would have everything they want for the rest of their lives. And he accepts. Sure he's being responsible for his own demise but that doesn't make me any less of an unethical asshole that is taking advantage of a person in need. He will have to pay for his decision but I shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked because I'm basically a criminal.kuraimenEveryone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas. There should be laws against companies making workers work on a building that is in risk of collapsing and killing all of them as there are laws against slavery too...
There should be, should isn't reality though sadly
There should be laws against companies making workers work on a building that is in risk of collapsing and killing all of them as there are laws against slavery too...[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Everyone's options are limited. These people were not slaves, they chose to work, and could leave at any time, of course they'd have to find a new job. Same as anywhere else. There are laws against slavery, however there are no laws against paying someone to work in dangerous areas.Bane_09
There should be, should isn't reality though sadly
Yeah but my initial point is that there are ways we can influence what happens. For example if the governments where those companies who buy from this people come from require the companies to meet certain quality standards on their workforce and, subsequently, the big companies themselves pressure the small ones elsewhere to comply then things could improve substantially.Please Log In to post.
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