Beauty contest for transvetites and transexuals

I wonder how many have fallen for these, um, beings...

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2008-10/25/content_7140818.htm

Is it just me, or does it seem to anyone else that some of these 'men' take care of themselves better than women?

Would you go to one, much less vote for any of them?

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdHonenheim

i dont think that even counts as gay

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

-Jiggles-

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdSuper_Socialist

i dont think that even counts as gay

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdMetalGear_Ninty

i dont think that even counts as gay

What? So, if you were in a club one day and you hit on a girl and she told you she was a transsexual or a transvestite, you wouldn't be hetero?

That's pretty ridiculous. Transsexuals work incredibly hard and go through hell to transition their appearance to what it should have been originally. There's nothing gay about being attracted to the body of a woman, regardless of her past.
Pretty much the same with transvestites, except it's a temporary fun thing for them, and the vast majority(around 85-90%) are heterosexual anyways.

Men attracted to either MtF transsexuals or made-up transvestites are hetero, unless they have prior history of swinign both ways in which they were bi to begin with.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdLockedge

i dont think that even counts as gay

What? So, if you were in a club one day and you hit on a girl and she told you she was a transsexual or a transvestite, you wouldn't be hetero?

That's pretty ridiculous. Transsexuals work incredibly hard and go through hell to transition their appearance to what it should have been originally. There's nothing gay about being attracted to the body of a woman, regardless of her past.
Pretty much the same with transvestites, except it's a temporary fun thing for them, and the vast majority(around 85-90%) are heterosexual anyways.

Men attracted to either MtF transsexuals or made-up transvestites are hetero, unless they have prior history of swinign both ways in which they were bi to begin with.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdMetalGear_Ninty

i dont think that even counts as gay

What? So, if you were in a club one day and you hit on a girl and she told you she was a transsexual or a transvestite, you wouldn't be hetero?

That's pretty ridiculous. Transsexuals work incredibly hard and go through hell to transition their appearance to what it should have been originally. There's nothing gay about being attracted to the body of a woman, regardless of her past.
Pretty much the same with transvestites, except it's a temporary fun thing for them, and the vast majority(around 85-90%) are heterosexual anyways.

Men attracted to either MtF transsexuals or made-up transvestites are hetero, unless they have prior history of swinign both ways in which they were bi to begin with.

there are ugly women you know

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.Super_Socialist

there are ugly women you know

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.MetalGear_Ninty

there are ugly women you know

those trannies certainly looked better than some girls ive met.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.Super_Socialist

there are ugly women you know

those trannies certainly looked better than some girls ive met.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.MetalGear_Ninty

there are ugly women you know

those trannies certainly looked better than some girls ive met.

ive found men, animals, arm chairs, certain rocks and sharp peices of glass to be more attractive than a few select women ive seen. Work in a warehouse and tell me transgendered women cant be more attractive

I'll just say what everyone's thinking:

"Whoa, transvestite!"

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.Super_Socialist

there are ugly women you know

those trannies certainly looked better than some girls ive met.

ive found men, animals, arm chairs, certain rocks and sharp peices of glass to be more attractive than a few select women ive seen. Work in a warehouse and tell me transgendered women cant be more attractive

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdMetalGear_Ninty

i dont think that even counts as gay

What? So, if you were in a club one day and you hit on a girl and she told you she was a transsexual or a transvestite, you wouldn't be hetero?

That's pretty ridiculous. Transsexuals work incredibly hard and go through hell to transition their appearance to what it should have been originally. There's nothing gay about being attracted to the body of a woman, regardless of her past.
Pretty much the same with transvestites, except it's a temporary fun thing for them, and the vast majority(around 85-90%) are heterosexual anyways.

Men attracted to either MtF transsexuals or made-up transvestites are hetero, unless they have prior history of swinign both ways in which they were bi to begin with.

Hmm.....

All this talk makes me want to watch "The Crying Game"

WHo's with me!?!?

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Im not gay but Angelica Santillan is one hot looking dewdMetalGear_Ninty

i dont think that even counts as gay

What? So, if you were in a club one day and you hit on a girl and she told you she was a transsexual or a transvestite, you wouldn't be hetero?

That's pretty ridiculous. Transsexuals work incredibly hard and go through hell to transition their appearance to what it should have been originally. There's nothing gay about being attracted to the body of a woman, regardless of her past.
Pretty much the same with transvestites, except it's a temporary fun thing for them, and the vast majority(around 85-90%) are heterosexual anyways.

Men attracted to either MtF transsexuals or made-up transvestites are hetero, unless they have prior history of swinign both ways in which they were bi to begin with.

Well, considering I AM a transsexual, and I have friends who are transsexuals, they have zero problem passing...I really don't understand your idea of us not being women.

Do I think in the future that I'll be able to have the feminine bone structure of most women? No, but considering where I am at now, I don't forsee any problems. I won't look like Jessica Alba or Natalie Portman, but *gasp* 98% of women aren't as attractive as them either.

Maybe you have some rough experience with some sloppy transvestites. I know one or two, who are genuinely nice people but they really have zero feminine mannerisms and really can't pass(but they're happy and I'm glad for them).

Ultimately, you'll believe what you want, but I'm a woman. You can't convince me otherwise because it's been the only constant in my entire life.

Well, considering I AM a transsexual, and I have friends who are transsexuals, they have zero problem passing...I really don't understand your idea of us not being women.

Do I think in the future that I'll be able to have the feminine bone structure of most women? No, but considering where I am at now, I don't forsee any problems. I won't look like Jessica Alba or Natalie Portman, but *gasp* 98% of women aren't as attractive as them either.

Maybe you have some rough experience with some sloppy transvestites. I know one or two, who are genuinely nice people but they really have zero feminine mannerisms and really can't pass(but they're happy and I'm glad for them).

Ultimately, you'll believe what you want, but I'm a woman. You can't convince me otherwise because it's been the only constant in my entire life.

Lockedge

You're definition of woman, and my definition of woman are different. We'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They are not woman. If you were around them for about 5 minutes you'd be able to tell that they weren't women. You just can't replicate true feminine beauty.MetalGear_Ninty

there are ugly women you know

those trannies certainly looked better than some girls ive met.

XD so "ugly women" aren't real women?

Wow. The internet is awesome.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Honenheim

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

[QUOTE="Honenheim"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Leejjohno

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

stuff like that is pretty effed

I could be alone in this but I simply don't see transvestites as being women trapped in a man's body. It just doesn't seem right. Is there an actual biological explanation for this, or is it like a metal disorder or something?GodLovesDead

i saw a documentary stating that transexuals actually have feminized brains

[QUOTE="Honenheim"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Leejjohno

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

I won't pretend to know how how all transvestites act, or go about their business, but most are straight and I wouldn't imagine a large slice of the remainder would be into such trickery. Gay men who are into transvestism dress up to fulfill a desire, and they're in a tought spot wanting to dress up as the opposite sex when the people they're interested in generally aren't interested in that at all. WHo knows though, but it's certainly a minority.

There are a good number of transsexuals who, while pre-op, date people. Some are up front about their situation at the start, others wait a while to inform their dates. You have to realize, even today, being transsexual is very dangerous. There are people who wish to rid the world of us, and there have been cases where people have lured transsexuals into relationships only to murder them and get away free due to a crap jury or the idiotic "emotional trauma" excuse.

Of course the dates have the right to know, most definitely. Just don't blame us for being cautious and delaying "the talk", when trusting the wrong person could lead to a bad ending.

I could be alone in this but I simply don't see transvestites as being women trapped in a man's body. It just doesn't seem right. Is there an actual biological explanation for this, or is it only a mental disorder?GodLovesDead

Transvestism is more of a fetish than a biological condition. It's something I don't fully understand, and something I wish to better understand in the future.

In the end, though, it's men dressing up like women for a thrill. Most of these men are straight and I'd imagine a good number have wives/girlfriends. One of my cousins has a friend who is one, and who luckily has a (so I've heard) awesome, bisexual girlfriend that enjoys using it in sexual roleplay. Really, transvestism is pretty harmless stuff. It's beauty pageants like this, it's female impersonators, it's role-play, and there's the odd bar where they can congregate.

Transsexuals, on the other hand, most definitely are "men/women trapped in a woman/man's body". There have been several studies on how exactly this comes to fruition, and while most come to the same conclusions(some are pretty ancient ones from the 70s and 80s with skewed results) that it occurs during the development of the fetus, there hasn't been enough money and time pumped into it to really 100% nail it down. It's about 98%, 99% proven right now, I'd say.

Somewhere in the development of a fetus, something goes wrong while supplying it with hormones, and in such an event, the 'secondary' hormone takes its place to insure development continues course. Everybody has both estrogen and testosterone, and in my case when I was in the womb, the testosterone levels I was supposed to get simply weren't provided, and Estrogen took its place.

I'll quickly link to a more readable, less lengthy study here that shows with charts and pictures that transsexuals have the same brain development in areas as the natural gender of which they feel.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Honenheim"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Lockedge

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

I won't pretend to know how how all transvestites act, or go about their business, but most are straight and I wouldn't imagine a large slice of the remainder would be into such trickery. Gay men who are into transvestism dress up to fulfill a desire, and they're in a tought spot wanting to dress up as the opposite sex when the people they're interested in generally aren't interested in that at all. WHo knows though, but it's certainly a minority.

There are a good number of transsexuals who, while pre-op, date people. Some are up front about their situation at the start, others wait a while to inform their dates. You have to realize, even today, being transsexual is very dangerous. There are people who wish to rid the world of us, and there have been cases where people have lured transsexuals into relationships only to murder them and get away free due to a crap jury or the idiotic "emotional trauma" excuse.

Of course the dates have the right to know, most definitely. Just don't blame us for being cautious and delaying "the talk", when trusting the wrong person could lead to a bad ending.

Don't mean to be blunt but don't blame anybody for being very spiteful when you shock them with that news. It's a hell of a thing to find out. In my shoes, being honest, I would seriously get pissed off, and my pissed off is quite pissed off. I don't think I could be violent, but it would be very naive to expect a relationship like that to work.

Can you imagine how gutted a person would be by that? I am sorry for the fact that you would have to have the talk but damn.

I guess that's catch 22 anyway.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

Leejjohno

Then they lied, simple as that.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Honenheim"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Transexuals are people too, you know. Their sexual orientation may seem strange to you, but it is very painful for a person to live as "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa. If they are happy being who they are (IE, the opposite sex) then I don't see a problem with it.

Leejjohno

thread/ .....amen to that brother.

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

I won't pretend to know how how all transvestites act, or go about their business, but most are straight and I wouldn't imagine a large slice of the remainder would be into such trickery. Gay men who are into transvestism dress up to fulfill a desire, and they're in a tought spot wanting to dress up as the opposite sex when the people they're interested in generally aren't interested in that at all. WHo knows though, but it's certainly a minority.

There are a good number of transsexuals who, while pre-op, date people. Some are up front about their situation at the start, others wait a while to inform their dates. You have to realize, even today, being transsexual is very dangerous. There are people who wish to rid the world of us, and there have been cases where people have lured transsexuals into relationships only to murder them and get away free due to a crap jury or the idiotic "emotional trauma" excuse.

Of course the dates have the right to know, most definitely. Just don't blame us for being cautious and delaying "the talk", when trusting the wrong person could lead to a bad ending.

Don't mean to be blunt but don't blame anybody for being very spiteful when you shock them with that news. It's a hell of a thing to find out. In my shoes, being honest, I would seriously get pissed off, and my pissed off is quite pissed off. I don't think I could be violent, but it would be very naive to expect a relationship like that to work.

Can you imagine how gutted a person would be by that? I am sorry for the fact that you would have to have the talk but damn.

I guess that's catch 22 anyway.

Which is why I personally would be the "up front about it" type, even if I'd have to be a lot more careful about who I deal with(and know/carry a lot more safety measures). The "wait it out" crowd tend to think if someone cares for them enough they'll be hurt but would accept, which I hope is better than 50% odds, but I wouldn't be willing to play those odds. Even if the transsexuals were post-op(which tends to increase the acceptance ratio).

Like I said, I don't blame people for being hurt, or getting angry. That's a normal reaction, but telling someone you want to go out with that you're a transsexual, only to be let down and a few weeks later assaulted by people who "found out" from said person. Considering 48% of transgendered people have been physically assaulted over their condition, with weapons, sexual assault, rape, etc.....

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

Dark_Knight6

Then they lied, simple as that.

I am sure it's nothing to have a GF/BF suddenly discover something like that :roll:

I am sure it could also end in violence occasionally.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

What about when they don't tell potential partners? Situations do arrise where a man dressed as a woman will date another guy but fail to tell him. Closed minded or not, they deserve to know.

Leejjohno

Then they lied, simple as that.

I am sure it's nothing to have a GF/BF suddenly discover something like that :roll:

I am sure it could also end in violence occasionally.

I didn't say it was "nothing." I said it was a lie. And I wouldn't consider that any worse than someone cheating on me. And resorting to violence to sort something out is just stupid.

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

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then there parents shouldnt let them post here

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

G-T-A---M-A-D

Then don't enter the thread. :|

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

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I don't see what is offensive about this...

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

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What's wrong about this thread? It's not degrading to them in any way.

What's wrong about this thread? It's not degrading to them in any way.

Sam_Phisher

I don't think he cares about them. Seems like he just doesn't want to see talk about it.

Who cares? Im sure there are kids that are on this forums and there parents dont want them to view this....

Why do people love posting crap on these forums??

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