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T2 or Jurassic Park.
also 28 days later did some amazing things (you diddnt think they would evacuate London for a movie, did you?)
[QUOTE="Samwel_X"]this,/threadIf we put it in the time period it was from, easily Terminator 2.
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WHAT!?? The T-Rex (and other dinosaurs) in the original Jurassic Park > T2. My sister had a kid pee on her lap because he thought they were real and was so scared.
Well, i don't consider modern cgi fests to be special effects. I liked the city destruction scenes in Independence Day or Terminator 2. Aliens had some great work andThe original War of the Worlds had some good shots. Too many to choose. But stuff like Transformers 2, that is not special effects to me.
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If we put it in the time period it was from, easily Terminator 2.
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WHAT!?? The T-Rex (and other dinosaurs) in the original Jurassic Park > T2. My sister had a kid pee on her lap because he thought they were real and was so scared.
just because your little sister has peed her self doesnt mean jurassic park was better that T2 :|[QUOTE="10thwonder"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"] this,/threadVaguelyTagged
WHAT!?? The T-Rex (and other dinosaurs) in the original Jurassic Park > T2. My sister had a kid pee on her lap because he thought they were real and was so scared.
just because your little sister has peed her self doesnt mean jurassic park was better that T2 :|Reading comprehension fail. A kid peed on my sister because he was convinced the dinosaurs were real.
Speed Racer.
The special effects gave it a really cool cartoony visual style, which actually helped in setting up the movie's cheesy goodness.
just because your little sister has peed her self doesnt mean jurassic park was better that T2 :|[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"][QUOTE="10thwonder"]
WHAT!?? The T-Rex (and other dinosaurs) in the original Jurassic Park > T2. My sister had a kid pee on her lap because he thought they were real and was so scared.
10thwonder
Reading comprehension fail. A kid peed on my sister because he was convinced the dinosaurs were real.
lol..whatever ..that doesn't prove anythingIt's not out yet, but I'm waiting to see the visuals of Where The Wild Things Are. It looks to have just the perfect blend of pratical and CGI effects; not too much in either direction.
Recently, Sunshine has some truly awesome effects, they didnt overcomplicate it with too much CG which annoys me a lot. The thing is, Transformers may look great, but film grain and bright colours doesnt hide the fact they arnt perfect
[QUOTE="10thwonder"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"] just because your little sister has peed her self doesnt mean jurassic park was better that T2 :|VaguelyTagged
Reading comprehension fail. A kid peed on my sister because he was convinced the dinosaurs were real.
lol..whatever ..that doesn't prove anythingDid someone you know pee on you during T2 or poo their pants in amazement when they saw T1000 recombine after shattering into a million pieces during the liquid nitrogen scene ? Thought so.... It was still impressive, don't get me wrong, but overall I think bringing dinosaurs "back to life" was a greater cinematographic feat.
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WHAT!?? The T-Rex (and other dinosaurs) in the original Jurassic Park > T2. My sister had a kid pee on her lap because he thought they were real and was so scared.
just because your little sister has peed her self doesnt mean jurassic park was better that T2 :| Just because you said that, doesn't mean it's true. I swear using the "Just because" arguement statement doesn't prove anything. You're basically saying something isn't / is because you say it isn't / is.Also The Thing remake had some amazing looking effects which still stand up today. Same with The Fly remake. I dont consider CGI that impressive, practical effects impress me more.
Film-Guy
same,i would also addan american werewolf in london, day of the dead, and many others i cant remeber right now.
though i agree with the cgi there are still afew that are impressive to me. LOTR, jurrasic park,
district 9 looks amazing to.
looks at the scales on him...LOOK AT IT!
The fact that Cloverfield was filmed almost all on green-screen astounds me...the visuals are amazing. Can't believe it wasn't nominated for the visual effects Oscar.
Zodiac. You didn't realize that movie was filmed with fake backgrounds, did you? Or that the taxi sequence is completely CGI?
Children of Men. Because I didn't see any special effects, but I know they had to be there.
In terms of giant blow-em-ups, however, 2012 looks mighty impressive. I might see it just to bask in the expensive explosive stupidty.
And apparently Avatar (NOT The Last Airbender) by James Cameron is about to change everything so...here we go!
Most special effects in Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park are actually practical. You know those scenes where T1000 is shot and the liquid metal is revealed? All those are practical effects, with blue screens and patches used where you can see through his body. It was difficult to use blue screens, morphs and warps at that time - but it was not revolutionary, it was just evolutionary - a better version of effects already used in Indiana Jones, Sherlock Holmes or The Abyss. Sure, it looks good - but technically, it's not the best.
The CGI in both movies was mostly used to smooth animations or replace minor details. It was used wisely so the flaws aren't obvious, for example nobody pays attention to the lower half of the T-Rex body in the museum scene. Today, the artifacting, the ghosting, the primitive mapping, the bad illumination and the ultra-smooth movement would be considered mediocre. When you see the *whole* body of the dinosaur, it's an entirely CGI scene. When you don't, it's practical. We don't know how dinosaurs looked like, so they saved time by making them undetailed, bland looking and grey.
Basically, the whole post-production time of a movie like Transformers 2 (where 50 hours were spent to render a single frame) was used for the 7 minutes of Jurassic Park CGI. It was a matter of time, computing power and intelligent shortcuts. Yes, it was good, it was evolutionary - but the praise it receives today when compared to other movies is completely unjustified. If anything, praise Spielberg's intelligent direction, which allowed them to use a lot of practical effects.
Technically, today's best CGI in a released movie is in King Kong and Transformers 2. Unfortunately they're both very long movies, so a few scenes were sacrificed - I'm 100% sure some textures were missing in the opening of T2 and sometimes the interaction of the real props and CGI objects was totally screwed up. In King Kong, it's obvious the dinosaur stampede didn't pass through the final rendering process - the actors aren't properly integrated in the green screen, the skin of the dinosaurs sucks and it's the only part of the movie where it seems not all of them have the muscles modeled. The weird look of King Kong is intentional, it's using a custom colour palette and illumination.
It's not intended to be photorealistic. Everything is infinetly more detailed than in any other movie except Transformers 2, and you can say that the variety of the CGI makes it even better than that one. If you have a HD version of King Kong, please analyse it - you'll even see insects flying in and out of the dinosaurs' mouths, landing on leafs... it's like a whole team was dedicated to this single task, an effect which almost isn't noticeable in the DVD's resolution. Every dinosaur has the skeleton and the muscles modeled and realistically moving, you'll see the muscles beneath the skin and you'll see how perfect and natural they move.
Watchmen and POTC 2/3 are also great. Dr. Manhattan and Davy Jones are almost photorealistic.
Other movies use simple, yet time consuming CGI techniques that aren't obvious - so I don't really think it's fair to compare them to "stars of the movie" like dinosaurs, monsters and **** blowing up. For I Am Legend, all the pedestrians, people at the windows and moving cars were digitally removed. That looks great. The CGI creatures - the animals and the zombies - are just mediocre. It's the same situation as in Jurassic Park - the CGI that's not obvious, that only enhances the scene, is good and effective, although not complicated, just time (and money) consuming. The CGI that is intended to be at the forefront falls flat.
Artistically, I choose Speed Racer. I find it very beautiful and it's extremely creative. It's not worth seeing it in anything other than HD.
Excuse my rant, but I'm just tired of people praising the practical effects of Terminator and Jurassic Park and calling them CGI. Anyway, the quality of the CGI only matters when you're analysing it on purpose or when it's very badly used. Sometimes, cartoony design saves the technically inferior CGI, like in Immortel or Casshern, but when it's mediocre/bad and also tries to accomplish realism it fails - like in Spiderman.
Cloverfield is another example of smart filming that saves the CGI. The handheld camera, the practical effects (especially smoke and debris) and the miniatures make it look awesome, when in reality it's at the same level with Outlander (mediocre-to-good, but that movie's monster had the best design in years). The money shot of the Cloverfield monster is the only scene where they worked their asses off to make it very good, and even there they used the focus trick to save time and work. The impact of the scene is enhanced by the build-up, by the revelation that it's the first time you actually get a good look at it and you don't know where to start from - and it's over before you analyse it...
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