Big bang theory question(short)

In the big bang theory which is one of two how the universe was created, they say that a single atom exploded/imploded and sent particles and other things across an empty space, and over time creating planets, stars, etc... But my question is for all those of you who dont believe in god, how did that atom come to be in the first place? Its not like an atom suddenly appeared out of nowhere and just decided to go Blam-!. Just yeah, pretty much can someone explain this too me?

No one knows HOW the Big Bang happened, only THAT it happened.famicommander

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this is one of those questions that has no answerkonvikt_17

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerzero9167

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[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerkonvikt_17

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[QUOTE="famicommander"]No one knows HOW the Big Bang happened, only THAT it happened.cheez-it_kid

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In the big bang theory which is one of two how the universe was created, they say that a single atom exploded/imploded and sent particles and other things across an empty space, and over time creating planets, stars, etc... But my question is for all those of you who dont believe in god, how did that atom come to be in the first place? Its not like an atom suddenly appeared out of nowhere and just decided to go Blam-!. Just yeah, pretty much can someone explain this too me?

infinity475

You're a bit misinformed about the big bang.

It didn't cause matter and energy to be shot across space, it caused a rapid expansion of space itself. The common description of an atom exploding is misleading, since that implies that the big bang expansion actually exploded INTO SOMETHING. A better analogy would be imagining a tiny baloon the size of a grain of sand, and then imagining blowing the baloon up to the size of our entire galaxy. That's also a misleading analogy, but I think it's a bit more accurate. The key point being that we can tell that the balloon expanded from an infinitessimally small balloon, but we don't know what caused that balloon to come into existence, nor can we say that it didn't ALWAYS exist as an infinitessimally small balloon before suddenly expanding.

Secondly, atoms (and even matter for that matter, hahaha) didn't form until AFTER the big bang.

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[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerinfinity475

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

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[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerkonvikt_17

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

God is the worst possible answer. That's just putting a wall between you and finding out more about the universe.

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[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerkonvikt_17

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

Exactly, but it's too convenient of an answer, and actually isn't an answer, because it doesn't really ANSWER anything!

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[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerMindFreeze

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

God is the worst possible answer. That's just putting a wall between you and finding out more about the universe.

oh so since i say god created it means that i automatically cant learn about the universe

In the big bang theory which is one of two how the universe was created, they say that a single atom exploded/imploded and sent particles and other things across an empty space, and over time creating planets, stars, etc... But my question is for all those of you who dont believe in god, how did that atom come to be in the first place? Its not like an atom suddenly appeared out of nowhere and just decided to go Blam-!. Just yeah, pretty much can someone explain this too me?

infinity475

An atom exploding didn't cause the big bang. All that happens when you destory an atom is a nuclear explosion (well, assuming you split a lot of them). There's a bunch of hypotheses that try to explain what caused the big bang but I don't keep up with that stuff so I'm not going to attempt to explain it. I believe the leading hypothesis deals with string theory though.

One thing I will add, however, is that matter popping into existence from matter is not as impossible as you think. It happens all the time, it's just that antimatter also pops into existence at an equal rate and as a result the new stuff gets cancelled out.

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"][QUOTE="infinity475"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerkonvikt_17

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

God is the worst possible answer. That's just putting a wall between you and finding out more about the universe.

oh so since i say god created it means that i automatically cant learn about the universe

No you're not understanding me right.

The whole point of science is to find evidence first, then take this evidence to formulate an hypothesis. Saying "goddidit" obviously does not follow this, it only opens more questions. It just doesn't make sense when trying to find out more about the universe.

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"][QUOTE="infinity475"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="zero9167"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]this is one of those questions that has no answerMindFreeze

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well no one even knows how it was created so they gotta point the finger at something and god fits perfectly as he created all

God is the worst possible answer. That's just putting a wall between you and finding out more about the universe.

oh so since i say god created it means that i automatically cant learn about the universe

No you're not understanding me right.

The whole point of science is to find evidence first, then take this evidence to formulate an hypothesis. Saying "goddidit" obviously does not follow this, it only opens more questions. It just doesn't make sense when trying to find out more about the universe.

oh ok i gotcha an i kno that it wasnt all god but he prolly had some part of it

In the big bang theory which is one of two how the universe was created, they say that a single atom exploded/imploded and sent particles and other things across an empty space, and over time creating planets, stars, etc... But my question is for all those of you who dont believe in god, how did that atom come to be in the first place? Its not like an atom suddenly appeared out of nowhere and just decided to go Blam-!. Just yeah, pretty much can someone explain this too me?

infinity475

Er.. it's not an atom, it's a point called singularity.. you should research more about the big bang theory..

Also you could believe that god created, or that god didn't create it.. Im quite sure many christian scientists actually belive the big bang theory...

Most of you didn't answer his qustion. You guys blame more by saying that most of us put God there because we can't fill in the blank.Napster06

[QUOTE="Napster06"]Most of you didn't answer his qustion. You guys blame more by saying that most of us put God there because we can't fill in the blank.zero9167

No because I do not know, and I don't like to blab randomly about something not related.

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[QUOTE="Napster06"]Most of you didn't answer his qustion. You guys blame more by saying that most of us put God there because we can't fill in the blank.Napster06

No because I do not know, and I don't like to blab randomly about something not related.

no one knows the answer to his question ;)

Theres a few things you need to know before you attack believers of the Big bang theory. First of all most outsiders think its a huge explosion like in a james bond movie^10 or something. It isnt, for a fact the explosion had NO sound what so ever. next thing is that there wasn't just one material, there was singularity: a place (lets just call it place to make it more understandable) where the laws of nature dont apply. Its important that you know what this theory is based on to understand why people think this could have happend. First of all it wasnt just guessed.. like: Wow, lets see, all the st ars and stuff are made of the same materials, theres the same atomns in universe, lets just say it all exploded from one point in time* (just before the explosion time didnt exist) No, I think its Fred Hoyle or Hubble (who it was doesnt really matter now) who noticed the continues grow of the universe, and the redshifts. And based on this observation he concluded that the universe must have started at one point a long time ago. This theory was then expanded and worked on.

now theres 3 arguments to why the big bang is true:

• Spectroscopic Observation of galaxys show that the universe is expanding. This can only be explained by saying the universe started in 1 point.
• De kosmic backgroundradiaton that was discovered in 1965 by Arno Penzias en Robert Wilson , seems to be coming from all sides. The bigbang theory offers a good explanation for this event.
• De Big Bangtheory predicts an accurate relation between light elements such as water(the atomn) and helium which were both created during the big bang.

So now you know a little about why this theory was launched. For this theory it isnt important what happend before this, there are some theorys on what happend the second before the big bang. However, the big bang created time, and therefore there was no second BEFORE the big bang. Maybe we humans just cant understand what happend before the big bang, just like we cant understand what god wants from us, or what his plan is (im not saying the big bang or god doesnt or does exist, thats up to you) I hope you understand now that the question isn't: What was the second before the big bang, since there was no time, and because this theory was based around some observations.

i believe the theory that the universe has existed forever and is constantly collapsing in on its self and then "banging" again...(if its not a theory anymore and thought of as wrong then i suc and am now depressed lol).

i like the idea, which i first heard in the film "K-PAX", that when it restarts, everything happens again, exactly the same.. down to a single detail. kinda beautifull and i dont know why lol

Maybe no one can prove how the universecame to be, but religion sure isn't the answer. People created religion when they had no possible idea of why they existed.lucas_kelly

I don't think religion was created based on that :?

So now you know a little about why this theory was launched. For this theory it isnt important what happend before this, there are some theorys on what happend the second before the big bang. However, the big bang created time, and therefore there was no second BEFORE the big bang. Maybe we humans just cant understand what happend before the big bang, just like we cant understand what god wants from us, or what his plan is (im not saying the big bang or god doesnt or does exist, thats up to you) I hope you understand now that the question isn't: What was the second before the big bang, since there was no time, and because this theory was based around some observations.

N0han

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Maybe no one can prove how the universecame to be, but religion sure isn't the answer. People created religion when they had no possible idea of why they existed.Napster06

I don't think religion was created based on that :?

In the big bang theory which is one of two how the universe was created, they say that a single atom exploded/imploded and sent particles and other things across an empty space, and over time creating planets, stars, etc... But my question is for all those of you who dont believe in god, how did that atom come to be in the first place? Its not like an atom suddenly appeared out of nowhere and just decided to go Blam-!. Just yeah, pretty much can someone explain this too me?

infinity475

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[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Maybe no one can prove how the universecame to be, but religion sure isn't the answer. People created religion when they had no possible idea of why they existed.ithilgore2006

I don't think religion was created based on that :?

It works because of Quantum Physics, which behave in an entirely different way to regular physics.

Now here's a question to get your head around - If we reached the edge of the universe, which it is generally agreed there is an 'edge' of sorts, what is on the other side? Nothing you say? Nothing is something, so what is it? Empty darkness perhaps? How far does that go for? If you can imagine that whatever it is that's out there is truly infinite, then you can believe that that big bang happened, and that something existed before it, even if we don't understand it.

A lack of understanding does not prove or disprove something.

Except God. We created him. He's a BC Marvel Superhero.

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[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Maybe no one can prove how the universecame to be, but religion sure isn't the answer. People created religion when they had no possible idea of why they existed.fanofazrienoch

I don't think religion was created based on that :?

Do I win a prize!?

A single atom? I thought it was something more along the lines of a singularity?Dark__Link

when i was a kid, i thought the Big Bang was actually the result of a black hole in another dimension. If a black hole can suck in light, that technically should mean that Black holes are capable of reversing time so all the stuff it sucked in as spewed out the other end into our dimension.

... i was a strange kid...

I dont 'bileave' this but its an interesting theorey my friend told me about,

everything acumulates and gets bigger as gravity pulls things inwards to large objects in space, when an object gets to a certian scale it will collapse in on itself and over time create a black hole, isnt it inevatable that this happens to everything over billions of years? I mean inside like every galaxy there is already a black hole, its a matter of time untill each galaxy collapses in on itself and gets 'sucked into' the black holes in the centre of themselves, then, as the become more frequent and suck up all the matter might all join up creating one big black hole over time and condensing everything into making it smaller and smaller, eventually everything in the universe will be sucked in and made infinately small, the force will suck everything in the universe into it and it will be all that is left eventually this wont keep up and some sort of 'explosion' will happen and 're create' this universe.

I dont 'bileave' this but its an interesting theorey my friend told me about,

everything acumulates and gets bigger as gravity pulls things inwards to large objects in space, when an object gets to a certian scale it will collapse in on itself and over time create a black hole, isnt it inevatable that this happens to everything over billions of years? I mean inside like every galaxy there is already a black hole, its a matter of time untill each galaxy collapses in on itself and gets 'sucked into' the black holes in the centre of themselves, then, as the become more frequent and suck up all the matter might all join up creating one big black hole over time and condensing everything into making it smaller and smaller, eventually everything in the universe will be sucked in and made infinately small, the force will suck everything in the universe into it and it will be all that is left eventually this wont keep up and some sort of 'explosion' will happen and 're create' this universe.

wizard90

changing the subject to why men used god to fill in the blank, still doesnt explain how the atom/singularity/universe came to be.infinity475

that's true, but because space and time are one and the same it's possible there wasn't anything before said singularity.

That is how it came about. Why do you think all the major religions are thousands of years old?
ithilgore2006

They were a thousand years old, but that does not show they were created because humans have no idea of their existence.

I know this will be going offtopic but let me say something about religion.

First of all im not religious so pleace understand that this is how I think about it, you can have your own opinion and I respect that.

Ever since men existed we tried to explain things we couldnt understand. When it was raining we created a God that would cause the rain, thunder? idem, tsunamis? idem. Each and every thing we couldnt explain would become a story, a legend, a myth, sage or a god. THeres a few things we will never be able to explain (atleast in our lifetime) and one of these is the dead. Alot of people are scared by the fact they will eventually die. This frightning idea was covered by 'creating a god' or how you like to call it. Furthermore things like our existence, the universe and our small part of it were covered by this god. I mean... arn't we damn lucky... lets just take the universe for example. If an alien ship is about to enter our galaxy, but the pilot makes a mistake and stears 1/zillionst to the left of the universe, he will never find us again... thats how small we are in contrast to the universe. Now this (in my opinion) by man created god changed this by saying: You'r special, you can go to heaven and therefore we dont have to be affraid of how small we are, we are speical. One more thing, I dont say Jezus has never existed. He could have lived, im not saying it couldnt. He could have been another believer that was just willing to put a step further and die for his believe. He could have visited and spoken to everyone thats written in the bible, however these stories are thousands of years old and therefore could have been exaggerated... spin a story through a room at the beginning of an evening and see what happened to it at the end of the night... you probably know what I mean. Most christians will say that the bible was written after jezus' death and thus its accurate, this isn't really true, the desciples wrote their independant bibles +/- 40 years afterwards.

Well, this is sort of a problem with every theory of how the universe was made, the problem being that when you try to explain something like this, you just eventually reach a point where things become to complicated to comprehend.

Like, with the whole "god created the universe" thing, we can't possibly understand how much or how little influence god had on the universe, what he did or didn't do, or anything like that because if a god exists, he would be beyond our comprehension. His reasons, his motives, his powers, etc. would all be beyond our level of thought.

With the Big Bang it's not really a supernatural thing as much as it is a "beyond our physics" thing. If there was this singularity that existed way back when, we have no idea how physics would work in relation to this thing. We have no idea if even the basic forces of the universe would still apply in a pre-Big Bang universe, because everything we know comes from examples in a post-Big Bang universe. We don't know, and we really just can't know.

when i was a kid, i thought the Big Bang was actually the result of a black hole in another dimension. If a black hole can suck in light, that technically should mean that Black holes are capable of reversing time so all the stuff it sucked in as spewed out the other end into our dimension.

... i was a strange kid...

HellsAngel2c

Except that black holes actuually EVAPORATE.