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#1 dreamtheater36
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Which do you prefer? I have heard a lot of hype about WC lately, but I have always been partial to BDM.

P.S. I just realized this was a Black vs. White (not racial)

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#2 narutoisapirate
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qhitechapel,i just wish that he would change the pitch of his voice sometimes.

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#3 Darth-Caedus
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Neither are very good, BDM are the least boring of the two.
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#4 jasonharris48
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Black Dahlia Murder IMO

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I was thinking this thread would be about the actual murders. I walk away disappointed.
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#6 iloverikku11
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Black Dahlia Murder by far. Cant wait for TUesday. Whtiechapel is not very good in my opinion.

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#7 lexika
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I hate them both. If I had to pick though, I would pick BDM.
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#8 BioShockOwnz
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BDM by far.

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#9 Yandere
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White Chapel, though both suck White Chapel made a moderately enjoyable song., BDM just sounds like Bring me the Horizon.

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#10 drumbreak1
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tbdm all the way

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#11 Dystopian-X
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I'll go with BDM.
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#12 tzar3
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Neither.

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White Chapel, though both suck White Chapel made a moderately enjoyable song., BDM just sounds like Bring me the Horizon.

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No, no, no. BDM does not sound like Bring Me The Horizon, unless they changed over the years. Bring Me The Horizon is awful tripe. God, I always figured the scenesters (most people think I'm one of 'em... blah!) just couldn't hear when they praised them.

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neither i think they are both kinda lame :)
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#15 Dystopian-X
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

White Chapel, though both suck White Chapel made a moderately enjoyable song., BDM just sounds like Bring me the Horizon.

BioShockOwnz

No, no, no. BDM does not sound like Bring Me The Horizon, unless they changed over the years. Bring Me The Horizon is awful tripe. God, I always figured the scenesters (most people think I'm one of 'em... blah!) just couldn't hear when they praised them.

BMTH has a few good songs, a lot of ppl bash them basically because of their image and their fanbase which is really pathetic
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

White Chapel, though both suck White Chapel made a moderately enjoyable song., BDM just sounds like Bring me the Horizon.

Dystopian-X

No, no, no. BDM does not sound like Bring Me The Horizon, unless they changed over the years. Bring Me The Horizon is awful tripe. God, I always figured the scenesters (most people think I'm one of 'em... blah!) just couldn't hear when they praised them.

BMTH has a few good songs, a lot of ppl bash them basically because of their image and their fanbase which is really pathetic

I have nothing wrong with the way they look, because that'd be a bit odd coming from me. I just think they're awful.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

White Chapel, though both suck White Chapel made a moderately enjoyable song., BDM just sounds like Bring me the Horizon.

Dystopian-X

No, no, no. BDM does not sound like Bring Me The Horizon, unless they changed over the years. Bring Me The Horizon is awful tripe. God, I always figured the scenesters (most people think I'm one of 'em... blah!) just couldn't hear when they praised them.

BMTH has a few good songs, a lot of ppl bash them basically because of their image and their fanbase which is really pathetic

...as if their music is any better? :lol:

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I have nothing wrong with the way they look, because that'd be a bit odd coming from me. I just think they're awful.

BioShockOwnz

Yeah and that's fine. I'm not even a big fan, just like a few songs. But I always see this in comments against them or at least being brought up somewhere down the line.

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#20 Dystopian-X
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>...as if their music is any better? :lol:

dracula_16

Eh I could argue at least 1 or 2 of their songs aren't as bad as ppl make them out to be. But my point is that I've seen ppl who don't even know much about the songs or even heard walk away just because of that.

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Carcass.

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#22 nimatoad2000
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both are bad and mainstream garbage.
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#23 Saturos3091
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Neither are very good, BDM are the least boring of the two. Darth-Caedus
They're also the more metal of the two (since they actually tread into metal territory unlike Whitechapel). Meh to both though. Neither has ever released anything half decent.
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both are bad and mainstream garbage.nimatoad2000
You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Neither are very good, BDM are the least boring of the two. Saturos3091
They're also the more metal of the two (since they actually tread into metal territory unlike Whitechapel). Meh to both though. Neither has ever released anything half decent.

Did you just say that neither of them were metal? :lol:

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#26 dracula_16
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Just listened to 'Possession' by Whitechapel. It has some of the lowest pitched growls I've ever heard, so they get some cool points for that. I pick them over BDM, for sure.

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]both are bad and mainstream garbage.Juggernaut140
You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands

you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.
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#28 spawnassasin
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id go with white chapel but id prefer Arch Enemy or knights of the abyss

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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Neither are very good, BDM are the least boring of the two. Juggernaut140

They're also the more metal of the two (since they actually tread into metal territory unlike Whitechapel). Meh to both though. Neither has ever released anything half decent.

Did you just say that neither of them were metal? :lol:

No. BDM is metal, not particularly good at the styIe though in my opinion.

Whitechapel has never been metal and I never even hear them being called metal. Online or even on the streets and in school they're always called deathcore, and that's a perfect description for their music, which sounds like this (hear the heavy punk influences?). Not saying there can't be a good deathcore band, but it's what they are and I don't like them, take what you will from that.

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#30 nimatoad2000
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thank you saturos. we must bash the bad bands.. i swear its like everyone jumps on the " if its a heavy sub genre, i like every band" train...
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I don't like any of them because I've never even heard of them.

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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]both are bad and mainstream garbage.nimatoad2000
You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands

you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.

BDM was more in the Cannibal Corpse realm with their earlier stuff. They're not a "scene metal" band, or at least they weren't when I listened to them a lot.

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No. BDM is metal, not particularly good at the styIe though in my opinion. Whitechapel has never been metal and I never even hear them being called metal. Online or even on the streets and in school they're always called deathcore, and that's a perfect description for their music. Not saying there can't be a good deathcore band, but it's what they are and I don't like them.Saturos3091

Deathcore is a subgenre of metal. It stems from death metal, for crying out loud. Your lack of interest in them doesn't negate them falling into the metal genre.

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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]both are bad and mainstream garbage.nimatoad2000
You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands

you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.

what is wrong with being an easily accessible band? It is a good gateway for people to get into good metal. Also BDM is not -core at all, they have no breakdowns, the vocals while screaming, are nothing like metalcore and I really can't see any comparison. If you could explain how other than it being easily accessable maybe I could see why but right now I don't.

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Why do people group BDM in with craptacular scene trash like Suicide Silence. I will never understand.

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands iloverikku11

you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.

what is wrong with being an easily accessible band? It is a good gateway for people to get into good metal. Also BDM is not -core at all, they have no breakdowns, the vocals while screaming, are nothing like metalcore and I really can't see any comparison. If you could explain how other than it being easily accessable maybe I could see why but right now I don't.

read carefully , i didnt say its a - core band, i said that their music to me seems like its targeted twards the same kinds of fans that would tend to like nu metal / -core's. its the easily accessable bands that are only brutal in their vocals. since melodic death metal isnt a brutal / heavy genre, it can easily cater to the kinds of listeners who love dragonforce and think those melodic riffs are awesome.
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] No. BDM is metal, not particularly good at the styIe though in my opinion. Whitechapel has never been metal and I never even hear them being called metal. Online or even on the streets and in school they're always called deathcore, and that's a perfect description for their music. Not saying there can't be a good deathcore band, but it's what they are and I don't like them.dracula_16

Deathcore is a subgenre of metal. It stems from death metal, for crying out loud. Your lack of interest in them doesn't negate them falling into the metal genre.

Actually deathcore is a subgenre of hardcore punk, not vise-versa. Yes it has death metal influence (in BDM's case some black metal influence), but for the most part they sticks to their hardcore roots.
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] No. BDM is metal, not particularly good at the styIe though in my opinion. Whitechapel has never been metal and I never even hear them being called metal. Online or even on the streets and in school they're always called deathcore, and that's a perfect description for their music. Not saying there can't be a good deathcore band, but it's what they are and I don't like them.dracula_16

Deathcore is a subgenre of metal. It stems from death metal, for crying out loud. Your lack of interest in them doesn't negate them falling into the metal genre.

It's a fusion genre. I've seen it included in both metal and punk as a subgenre, depending on which one they feature more elements of. I think they feature more elements of metal myself, but they still have that heavy punk influence in some songs that really makes it that much more debatable. I'd rather take the safer route and just exclude them. Whether I like them or not isn't part of it.
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Why do people group BDM in with craptacular scene trash like Suicide Silence. I will never understand.

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Their image probably. They have a very carefree and "funny" attitude towards everything so they get a lot of flack for not being true or whatever. I don't see anything wrong with that, but it did have me confused for the longest time (before I actually bothered to listen to them).

That said Suicide Silence is garbage period. It's third-rate wannabe technical deathcore. They don't hold a candle to actual tech-deathcore bands like Viraemia.

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[QUOTE="iloverikku11"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.nimatoad2000

what is wrong with being an easily accessible band? It is a good gateway for people to get into good metal. Also BDM is not -core at all, they have no breakdowns, the vocals while screaming, are nothing like metalcore and I really can't see any comparison. If you could explain how other than it being easily accessable maybe I could see why but right now I don't.

read carefully , i didnt say its a - core band, i said that their music to me seems like its targeted twards the same kinds of fans that would tend to like nu metal / -core's. its the easily accessable bands that are only brutal in their vocals. since melodic death metal isnt a brutal / heavy genre, it can easily cater to the kinds of listeners who love dragonforce and think those melodic riffs are awesome.

fair enough, but there are alot of melo death bands that seem to have a pretty good rep among true metal fans (In Flames, Arsis, Carcass, Ensfierum, Dissection, (kinda) Amon Amarth) so I don't think that being a band that prefers melodic over super heavy should be compared to Dragonforce. THey share one similar characteristic but are very different. (like metal and -core.)

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[QUOTE="iloverikku11"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="iloverikku11"]

what is wrong with being an easily accessible band? It is a good gateway for people to get into good metal. Also BDM is not -core at all, they have no breakdowns, the vocals while screaming, are nothing like metalcore and I really can't see any comparison. If you could explain how other than it being easily accessable maybe I could see why but right now I don't.

read carefully , i didnt say its a - core band, i said that their music to me seems like its targeted twards the same kinds of fans that would tend to like nu metal / -core's. its the easily accessable bands that are only brutal in their vocals. since melodic death metal isnt a brutal / heavy genre, it can easily cater to the kinds of listeners who love dragonforce and think those melodic riffs are awesome.

fair enough, but there are alot of melo death bands that seem to have a pretty good rep among true metal fans (In Flames, Arsis, Carcass, Ensfierum, Dissection, (kinda) Amon Amarth) so I don't think that being a band that prefers melodic over super heavy should be compared to Dragonforce. THey share one similar characteristic but are very different. (like metal and -core.)

oh yeah, well i have a sort of philosphy, that pretty much is, that if anything is overdone, it becomes cheesy, for me, overused keyboard and too melodic for its own good bands quickly become cheesy. i love arsis, and dissection is one of my fav black metal ( yeah their melodic black / death but w/e ) bands, and i rly like emperor too, because they do it right. but bands that overdo this stuff ... its almost laughable.. dragonforce for the keyboard, something about dimmu borgir turns me off, amon amarth.. just not my cup of tea but their fine. thats jst my opinion on the matter. just to sum up. im definately not saying that melodic = crap. nowhere near.
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]both are bad and mainstream garbage.nimatoad2000
You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands

you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.

What? For calling you out on your hypocrisy? Please, get over yourself. You talk like you're some kind of TRVE KVLT METALHEAD yet you listen to some of the most mainstream thrash around.
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] They're also the more metal of the two (since they actually tread into metal territory unlike Whitechapel). Meh to both though. Neither has ever released anything half decent.Saturos3091

Did you just say that neither of them were metal? :lol:

No. BDM is metal, not particularly good at the styIe though in my opinion.

Whitechapel has never been metal and I never even hear them being called metal. Online or even on the streets and in school they're always called deathcore, and that's a perfect description for their music, which sounds like this (hear the heavy punk influences?). Not saying there can't be a good deathcore band, but it's what they are and I don't like them, take what you will from that.

So I suppose Thrash isn't metal because of it's EXTREMELY obvious punk influences right? :roll:

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I was thinking this thread would be about the actual murders. I walk away disappointed. Crypto138
Haha that's what I thought and then the tc was asking which people liked better. Confusion averted.
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#45 weezyfb
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those sound like white and black supremicist groups
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#46 Juggernaut140
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And no, I don't hear the punk influence in that song. It's sounds like god damned death metal. To deny that that song is metal is straight up elitism
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#47 Messiahbolical-
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Whitechapel = one word The Black Dahlia Murder has the word "The" in it Can't choose between the two.
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#48 Messiahbolical-
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Oh, and anyone who's never heard either of these bands should probably listen to these songs:

Whitechapel - "Father Of Lies"

Whitechapel - "Messiahbolical"

The Black Dahlia Murder - "I Will Return"

The Black Dahlia Murder - "I'm Charming"

Some of their best songs IMO.

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] You really have no right hating a band for being mainstream seeing as you're such a big Megadeth/Slayer fan >_> I love both but The Black Dahlia Murder is much better. One of my favorite bands Juggernaut140
you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.

What? For calling you out on your hypocrisy? Please, get over yourself. You talk like you're some kind of TRVE KVLT METALHEAD yet you listen to some of the most mainstream thrash around.

lol you have no clue what i listen to. just because megadeth is my favorite thrash band dosnt mean i listen to " mainstream thrash" . i have at least 50 thrash bands in my library. and regardless of that, it seems as if you believe a band isnt good anymore if they are popular. who cares if megadeth is popular, that dosnt mean they are not the best. a band dosn't need to be selling only 2000 albums and living with their parents because they are soo poor in order to be great. god forbid anyone has some limited sucess. you always seem to bash megadeth or any other "popular" band for the mere purpose that they are popular. get over it.
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#50 Juggernaut140
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] you should get your metal licence removed for that statement. im not a huge slayer fan, i love their no mercy - seasons work, hate everything else. im a big megadeth fan , but megadeth isnt mainstream on purpose, the sellout albums were, yes, but not the first 5 and endgame.. BDM sounds to me like its targeted twards the same kind of people who like the -cores and nu metal, melodic death seems to get the same kinds of fans, its easily accessable and appeals to people who think its rly brutal. the band seems like a buncha teenagers trying to be an awesome metal band. sound extremely mediocre to me.nimatoad2000
What? For calling you out on your hypocrisy? Please, get over yourself. You talk like you're some kind of TRVE KVLT METALHEAD yet you listen to some of the most mainstream thrash around.

lol you have no clue what i listen to. just because megadeth is my favorite thrash band dosnt mean i listen to " mainstream thrash" . i have at least 50 thrash bands in my library. and regardless of that, it seems as if you believe a band isnt good anymore if they are popular. who cares if megadeth is popular, that dosnt mean they are not the best. a band dosn't need to be selling only 2000 albums and living with their parents because they are soo poor in order to be great. god forbid anyone has some limited sucess. you always seem to bash megadeth or any other "popular" band for the mere purpose that they are popular. get over it.

When have I ever bashed a band for being popular? :lol: If you're talking about Thrash Wars... I didn't even bash Megadeth for being popular