Boston Bomber Guilty on All Charges

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-verdict-boston-marathan-bombing-trial.html

I'm against the death penalty, just as I am against Abortion. However I do realize that there are certain situations and instances where they are the best outcome.

This is one of those instances.

Both the Death Penalty and Abortion should be Legal, Safe, and very very rare.

Returning to the topic of rehabilitative nature of sentences. Kinda hard to rehabilitate a citizen when he's dead.

Some Crimes are beyond Rehabilitation

He should have been put to death so that we, the tax payers don't have to pay for that filth to eat and have a place to sleep. Hell, he now has better health care than a lot of poor Americans who have to pay taxes for prisoners to live.

Yeah, I agree with that statement. Either way the existence of the death penalty is a different discussion entirely. I'm fine with terrorists getting the maximum legal sentence, whichever that may be in whichever country.

Good, I hope he's treated really badly in prison.

Also,

grayfox will be salty about this

Not an advocate for the death penalty ever.

Imagine Apollo being the executioner.

I'm glad he was found guilty.

I hope, I truly do, that the death penalty is not handed down as a sentence. But knowing the high-level media coverage of this event, if he doesn't get state-mandated death, the citizenry will be out for blood.

Safe????

I will point out that the death penalty tends to cost millions of more dollars than life in prison. I'm not telling you this because I believe he deserves to live, simply that it's information worth knowing.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

If i remember correctly, the death penalty costs more than a life sentence

Good let the terrorist pay for his crimes, no sympathy for crazies and their acted stupidity.

Yup death penalty is around 135 million, and life in prison is about 11 million.

@Master_Live said:

Imagine Apollo being the executioner.

if he dies, he dies

@Master_Live:

Imagine this guy being the executioner...

I'd prefer he get life in prison. Death penalty may be too easy on the guy. Besides, what better way to show that our society should value life by sparing his. Good way of making his point about killing civilians look even dumber.

@lostrib: @Serraph105: That's the US government for ya. Inefficient as ever. Dig a hole, put a bullet in him and be done with it quickly. Tax payers rejoice.

And what about if they're innocent?

The court system's job is to determine if he's innocent or guilty. Do a thorough job, make sure there's proof, then make the decision. If they don't have the proof, let him go.

Easy.

@Bigboi500: When it comes to this sort of thing, that is when someone's life hangs in the balance, we really should take the time and money to prove someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Edit. it is the court system where these costs are accrued.

Well a lot of the cost of the death penalty isn't from the physical execution, it's from the actual trials and appeals

Why would anyone want the death penalty? Spending $200+ million dollars just to give a criminal capital punishment is beyond stupid.

Who gives a shit about your petty revenge. Put em in prison and throw away the key.

They could do things much cheaper, but the truth is they overcharge and overpay for everything, then let hard working, honest people foot the bill. Government corruption hard at work.

Do the work, find the evidence, make the hard decisions. Evidence is there, put him to death. Proof is not there, let him go. Don't lock him up for life, feeding him, giving him medical care with a roof over his head at our expense.

And for other cases of incarcerations for lesser offenses, make the prisoner work for his food, medical care and lodging. Don't pass the buck to us.

I bet a lot of the public won't mind the expenses of putting this guy out.

how could they do things much cheaper?

The public rarely does, on the other hand a lot of the public tends to be unaware of the cost in the first place. I have no doubt however that the "cost of keeping them locked up forever" is just how a lot of people rationalize to themselves what they already believe to be the right thing is in the first place.

It's always the powerless "grunt" who becomes the "fall guy".

What about the CIA / FBI agents who recruited him? Why should they get off scot-free? :-/

Give me an itemized list of the billings for capitol punishment per inmate. I'm sure I could find a way to drastically cut those bullshit billings and blown up fees. Why risk the lives of officers to guard and look after him? What's more civil about punishing him for 50-60 years in a small box?

The guilty didn't offer his victims life with care, why should we afford him that right? He made decisions to take away life, so shouldn't he get exactly what he doled out?

Be practical about it. Have you ever seen government billing? They do stupid things like buying toilet seats from favored contractors for like $10, 000 a pop. They probably pay doctors $100, 000 just for pushing the button of the machine that injects poison into the veins of inmates.

Why not go back to a firing squad? Uses less chemicals, and is probably a quicker and more painless death.

I actually think that it's quite reasonable that you believe in capitol punishment (which you clearly do), but why do you feel the need to continue coming up with reasons beyond, "They killed a bunch of people, and that's why they deserve to die."?

That alone is a perfectly reasonable argument in my opinion, but all the other reasons you bring up make me if you are trying to rationalize your belief to others or perhaps just to yourself.

Edit. I just want to clarify that I'm not trying to make you mad. It's just that this is the exact sort of thing that I went through when coming to my own conclusion regarding the death penalty.

okay, now i'm not actually sure if you're serious

Who cares? It doesn't matter if we could theoretically make the death penalty cost less. Capital punishment today still costs way more then life in prison.

The death penalty isn't a deterrent. It's just an easy way out. I consider the monotony of prison to be a greater punishment.

@Serraph105: I'm just trying to use common sense here... he was found guilty of killing innocent people, and many other counts of crimes. Why keep him alive, and force a burden on other people, other than some self-serving idealism of making yourself feel more saintly?

He killed innocent people willingly, so lets take care of him for the rest of his life? Makes no sense.

The only reason I could see for keeping him alive is if the victims' families personally requested it.

I don't take human life for granted, so it's not an easy decision. But probably the correct one, if for no other reason the precedent it sets: Take a life, forfeit a life.

Kill somebody, you might lose your life, so don't do it.

There's always a chance he could escape and kill more people, or kill a prison guard and cause more pain for families. Why waste resources on someone who doesn't respect human life?

If you don't care, why prolong the inevitable?

You're presenting situations that are unlikely. Prison escapes are continuing to decline every year.

It's more likely that the convicted are actually innocent and will be wrongly executed. It will then cost even more millions of dollars just to compensate the families of the wrongly accused.

Agreed. And a perpetrator for a crime as big as the Boston bombings would probably end up getting street justice if he was rehabilitated and set free. Best to let the state deal with such people.

Bring the good ol hanging or guillottine in public, some of them deserve to die this way and fellow terrorrists a warning.

Nah, give him free health care for life, that'll show them terrorists!

@Netherscourge said:

@Master_Live:

Imagine this guy being the executioner...

I rather it be Apollo from that gif, more patriotic. Murica'

No shocker right there, though I thought the guy to be dead already. Anyway the death penalty is the most likely end for this entire episode, and quite rightfully too for there is only so much wrongdoing society can tolerate with a promise of rehabilitation and atonement. Tsarnaev crossed that threshold when he decided to blow up a festive sporting event for no apparent reason, killing and injuring people in the process.

you'd be wasting about 10x the resources killing him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcxpbhM0DaA

It's not the execution that is expensive, it's the myriad of appeals and trials that follow from being given the death sentence.

Safe as in no undue pain and suffering.

Not having to resort to back alley abortionist for fear of Christians throwing a bomb in your face while headed to the clinic

It's not the execution that is expensive, it's the myriad of appeals and trials that follow from being given the death sentence.

@Master_Live: nah Draven is the only executioner you need!

But on a serious note: He should get a death sentence i'd suggest by explosives instead of injection as the only way to punish someone is to make them meet the same end as their victims!

The death penalty has never been a deterrent for crime. No one fears the risks of capital punishment.

It is about satisfaction. The public will have their satisfaction this time.

That's dumb

@JangoWuzHere: the best way would be to go the old way and crucify they terrorists but nnooooo thats to inhumane! (like killing multiple people isn't)

No offense, why thats dumb? What about when these fvcking terrorrists kill innocent civilians by tons without mercy? To show them mercy or no death penalty is dumb lol.