BREAKING NEWS: Mall Shooting in Clackamas, Oregon (Suburb of Portland)

2 dead so far. Anywhere from 12-60 shots fire in Macy's. Reports of 1-2 shooters with rifles, bullet proof vests, and masks.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Shooting-Clackamas-Town-Center-183077691.html

you heard it here first, folks. from mingmao.

dun kare unlss muh freedums r not stake here, rember wut franklin say, "u dun desreve ether freedum or scrureity if u haet freedum Lol".

BAN GUNS its all there fault.;) R.I.P. to the victims.:cry:

roulettethedog

This is a tragedy, I know- but blaming guns is ridiculous.

That's like saying "Oh, he got hit by a car- let's ban cars, it's all their fault!".

BAN GUNS its all there fault.;)

roulettethedog

Using a tragedy to make statements like these make you look like an ass, even more so if you try to pass it off as a joke.

dun kare unlss muh freedums r not stake here, rember wut franklin say, "u dun desreve ether freedum or scrureity if u haet freedum Lol".

Socijalisticka

I just can barely watch the news. I am religious but I havent really been practicing for a while. All these tragedies I just cannot understand. How can it ever be justifies or part of any bigger plan? You guys can laugh at me for religion or whatever but I'm just stating how I feel

RIP... thats just not right..people are just soooo f-up

fuking ****

Great, more gun control discussions that will go nowehere.

RIP to the victims.

I just can barely watch the news. I am religious but I havent really been practicing for a while. All these tragedies I just cannot understand. How can it ever be justifies or part of any bigger plan? You guys can laugh at me for religion or whatever but I'm just stating how I feel

AdamPA1006

I just can barely watch the news. I am religious but I havent really been practicing for a while. All these tragedies I just cannot understand. How can it ever be justifies or part of any bigger plan? You guys can laugh at me for religion or whatever but I'm just stating how I feel

AdamPA1006

I'm sure that if more people at the mall were packing heat, this entire tragedy would have been averted. Alas, such was not the case...

I'm sure that if more people at the mall were packing heat, this entire tragedy would have been averted. Alas, such was not the case...

The__Kraken

It would have just turned into something that resembles Call of Duty multiplayer with 500 people.

I'm sure that if more people at the mall were packing heat, this entire tragedy would have been averted. Alas, such was not the case...

The__Kraken

I just can barely watch the news. I am religious but I havent really been practicing for a while. All these tragedies I just cannot understand. How can it ever be justifies or part of any bigger plan? You guys can laugh at me for religion or whatever but I'm just stating how I feel

AdamPA1006

I'm not a religious person, but I have had the same thoughts as you. It does seem strange that if a higher power exists, that it could let such things happen. I guess it's just free will. Sadly, people will take that will to do terrible things.

I also don't like people politicizing these situations into discussions about gun rights; at least right away. Blame the people, not the weapons. They would use knives if they didn't have guns.

I'm sure that if more people at the mall were packing heat, this entire tragedy would have been averted. Alas, such was not the case...

The__Kraken

They would use knives if they didn't have guns.

jimkabrhel

Surely you see how flawed this point in particular is.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

I'm sure that if more people at the mall were packing heat, this entire tragedy would have been averted. Alas, such was not the case...

Rich3232

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

They would use knives if they didn't have guns.

JML897

Surely you see how flawed this point in particular is.

Yeah im not gonna debate in this thread its just Ive been through some horrible stuff recently and its really expanded my mind and I care and sympathize about others and imagine being in their or loved ones shoes on all this tragedies

I doubt it. Not unless they were trained well enough to not fire into a crowd blindly. Rich3232

Don't you know? Everybody that owns a gun is a highly trained individual and can handle extreme life and death situations. Because of this fact, the more people that own and carry guns, the safer everybody is.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] I doubt it. Not unless they were trained well enough to not fire into a crowd blindly. The__Kraken

Don't you know? Everybody that owns a gun is a highly trained individual and can handle extreme life and death situations. Because of this fact, the more people that own and carry guns, the safer everybody is.

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

They would use knives if they didn't have guns.

JML897

Surely you see how flawed this point in particular is.

Yes, I do, but my point is that people who are intent of doing something like this will find away.

[QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] I doubt it. Not unless they were trained well enough to not fire into a crowd blindly. frannkzappa

Don't you know? Everybody that owns a gun is a highly trained individual and can handle extreme life and death situations. Because of this fact, the more people that own and carry guns, the safer everybody is.

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

obviously we don't have enough guns.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

They would use knives if they didn't have guns.

jimkabrhel

Surely you see how flawed this point in particular is.

Yes, I do, but my point is that people who are intent of doing something like this will find away.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

Don't you know? Everybody that owns a gun is a highly trained individual and can handle extreme life and death situations. Because of this fact, the more people that own and carry guns, the safer everybody is.

Rich3232

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

frannkzappa

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

BAN GUNS its all there fault.;) R.I.P. to the victims.:cry:

Primordialous

This is a tragedy, I know- but blaming guns is ridiculous.

That's like saying "Oh, he got hit by a car- let's ban cars, it's all their fault!".

It's all about risk control; you don't need an assault rifle or a handgun to get to work.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

frannkzappa

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

hence whyRich3232

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

dude, i don't know about what you think guns are, but they aren't pieces of complex super-technology. you point and shoot that's it really, if someone could see the shooter(big if) they could shoot them easily enough without this intense training of which you speak.

Rich3232

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] no. it's not that simple. laughingman42

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

Something like that very nearly happened in AZ http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2011/01/friendly_firearms.html

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] no. it's not that simple. laughingman42

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

I'm guessing you didn't actually read my comment.

Imagine the sh*tstorm that could occur if a person fired a weapon from a well consealed location and a bunch of bistandards suddenly pull out guns.laughingman42

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Imagine the sh*tstorm that could occur if a person fired a weapon from a well consealed location and a bunch of bistandards suddenly pull out guns.cheese_game619

*facedesk* This is why you don't talk and type at the same time kids.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"] no. it's not that simple. RAMRODtheMASTER

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

true, but if you can actualy see the shooter i imagine there is a good chance some one could shoot them.

i don't really believe that man is as impotent as you suggest.

Also, i should mention that i am a huge advocate that training and a licence(harder to get then the current ones and yearly renewed) should be a requirement for gun purchase

[QUOTE="RAMRODtheMASTER"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]

Then please go ahead and explain to me the "complexities" of using a modern day fire arm.

frannkzappa

true, but if you can actualy see the shooter i imagine there is a good chance some one could shoot them.

i don't really believe that man is as impotent as you suggest.

Also, i should mention that i am a huge advocate that training and a licence(harder to get then the current ones and yearly renewed) should be a requirement for gun purchase

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="RAMRODtheMASTER"] I carry everyday, and I practice shooting often but in a situation like this one you have so many factors you would have to take into consideration. Your adrenaline will be pumping, your hands will almost certainly be far from steady. Simply pointing and shooting does not happen in something like this unless you are trained special forces. These are things we make sure to hammer home at the CCW class that is taught at the shop I work at. A situation like the one detailed here is not something you can ever truly prepare for, especially when you have the mentality that since I have a gun I can easily handle any situation with ease. Rich3232

true, but if you can actualy see the shooter i imagine there is a good chance some one could shoot them.

i don't really believe that man is as impotent as you suggest.

Also, i should mention that i am a huge advocate that training and a licence(harder to get then the current ones and yearly renewed) should be a requirement for gun purchase

if you want to own a handgun, or any non hunting firearm.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

true, but if you can actualy see the shooter i imagine there is a good chance some one could shoot them.

i don't really believe that man is as impotent as you suggest.

Also, i should mention that i am a huge advocate that training and a licence(harder to get then the current ones and yearly renewed) should be a requirement for gun purchase

frannkzappa

if you want to own a handgun, or any non hunting firearm.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] wait, just to clarify, are you saying that training should be mandatory and annual? Rich3232

if you want to own a handgun, or any non hunting firearm.