Britains new Internet law as bad as everyones been saying and worse

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#1 ren3890
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Oh my god

'The British government has brought down its long-awaited Digital Economy Bill, and it's perfectly useless and terrible. It consists almost entirely of penalties for people who do things that upset the entertainment industry (including the "three-strikes" rule that allows your entire family to be cut off from the net if anyone who lives in your house is accused of copyright infringement, without proof or evidence or trial), as well as a plan to beat the hell out of the video-game industry with a new, even dumber rating system (why is it acceptable for the government to declare that some forms of artwork have to be mandatorily labelled as to their suitability for kids? And why is it only some media? Why not paintings? Why not novels? Why not modern dance or ballet or opera?).

So it's bad. £50,000 fines if someone in your house is accused of filesharing. A duty on ISPs to spy on all their customers in case they find something that would help the record or film industry sue them (ISPs who refuse to cooperate can be fined £250,000).

But that's just for starters. The real meat is in the story we broke yesterday: Peter Mandelson, the unelected Business Secretary, would have to power to make up as many new penalties and enforcement systems as he likes. And he says he's planning to appoint private militias financed by rightsholder groups who will have the power to kick you off the internet, spy on your use of the network, demand the removal of files or the blocking of websites, and Mandelson will have the power to invent any penalty, including jail time, for any transgression he deems you are guilty of. And of course, Mandelson's successor in the next government would also have this power.

What isn't in there? Anything about stimulating the actual digital economy. Nothing about ensuring that broadband is cheap, fast and neutral. Nothing about getting Britain's poorest connected to the net. Nothing about ensuring that copyright rules get out of the way of entrepreneurship and the freedom to create new things. Nothing to ensure that schoolkids get the best tools in the world to create with, and can freely use the publicly funded media -- BBC, Channel 4, BFI, Arts Council grantees -- to make new media and so grow up to turn Britain into a powerhouse of tech-savvy creators.

Lobby organisation The Open Rights Group is urging people to contact their MP to oppose the plans.

"This plan won't stop copyright infringement and with a simple accusation could see you and your family disconnected from the internet - unable to engage in everyday activities like shopping and socialising," it said.

The government will also introduce age ratings on all boxed video games aimed at children aged 12 or over.

There is, however, little detail in the bill on how the government will stimulate broadband infrastructure.'

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#2 solid_mario
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Source of this? Hardly seems a balanced article.
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#3 JigglyWiggly_
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Thank goodness I live in America.
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#4 BumFluff122
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unfortunately Canada is doing something very similar.

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#6 Isbrealiompie
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Oh noes, whatever will you do?

[spoiler] Buy music and dvd's prehaps? [/spoiler]

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#7 GazaAli
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Thank goodness I live in America. JigglyWiggly_
nonono, thanks god i live in Gaza :P
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#8 chaplainDMK
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This sounds made up. This isnt justice. No trial = imidiate fail imo...
And anti pirating militias that can do anything? Hmn... Internet SS?

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#9 jonnymcl2k
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spy on us?

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#10 GazaAli
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spy on us?

jonnymcl2k

you serious?

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#11 Crimsader
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Oh, I feel so happy that I don't live in the UK right now :lol: Sorry mates. But for the real hackers, this won't be a problem at all, they know how to cheat the system. There is no catching them, I fear :(

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#12 ren3890
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Source of this? Hardly seems a balanced article.solid_mario

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/20/britains-new-interne.html

^

As for the original source

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8366255.stm

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#13 jonnymcl2k
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[QUOTE="jonnymcl2k"]

spy on us?

GazaAli

you serious?

no, It was a joke ;)

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#14 fidosim
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Remember, remember, the 24th of November, the interweb treason and plot. I know of no reason why the interweb treason should ever be forgot.
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#15 chaplainDMK
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Wow seeing that on BBC. Its scary how stupid and uneducated our leaders are in these things. We leave incompitent fools that know nothing of what they are doing in controll. Bwah... Democracy... The price of freedom

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Remember, remember, the 24th of November, the interweb treason and plot. I know of no reason why the interweb treason should ever be forgot.fidosim
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Hysteria, like most reactions to proposed laws on the internet. Remember just three years ago when everyone was screaming about net neutrality laws seeking to force you to use certain websites for certain things? Oh look, it never happened. That simply isn't a balanced article. They've introduced law to deal with piracy; they're not going to take your internet away for downloading a couple of mp3s. They're targeting the worst pirates here, which they already do anyway via laws already in place. This just gives them more tools against them.
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#18 Doctor-McNinja
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Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?
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#19 Setsa
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Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?Doctor-McNinja
May I remind you the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal was over a mom giving a rated M game to 10 year olds : /
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#20 ThaDenominator
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God bless America.
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Western Europe's going to pot .:( I'm off East.
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#22 solid_mario
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Western Europe's going to pot .:( I'm off East.jimmyjammer69
Oh, the irony! You get a letter before they disconnect you. That article is inflammatory and I don't believe most of it.
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#23 OBLOK
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Orwellian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

The adjective Orwellian describes the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past.

The book was published in 1949 and is called Ninteen Eighty Four.

O_O

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#24 Toriko42
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unfortunately Canada is doing something very similar.

BumFluff122

Link because if they ever did this to my internet I'd go postal and slay everyone responsible

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Wow....I'm going to have to side with the states on this one, English nutters are crazier than ours, and people inour government are nearing criminal insanity...

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[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?Setsa
May I remind you the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal was over a mom giving a rated M game to 10 year olds : /

Right... so it makes sense to put age ratings on games to stop stuff like that happening, right?
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Western Europe's going to pot .:( I'm off East.solid_mario
Oh, the irony! You get a letter before they disconnect you. That article is inflammatory and I don't believe most of it.

It's amazing how people will literally just read something on the internet and decide it must be true. Maybe cutting it off is a good idea after all...
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#28 Ontain
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the fact that they don't need a trail seems to be a big problem for me. I don't care if ppl pirated. it's the companies job to prove it before any punishment. giving corporations the power to cut ppl off from any ISP without evidence or a trial is insane.

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#29 Ringx55
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unfortunately Canada is doing something very similar.

BumFluff122
Really? I would like to know more about this.
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#30 gameguy6700
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

unfortunately Canada is doing something very similar.

Ringx55

Really? I would like to know more about this.

The world is doing something similar with ACTA. Google it or flip a few pages back on OT to find my topic about it.

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[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?Setsa
May I remind you the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal was over a mom giving a rated M game to 10 year olds : /

proof ratings are useless becuase alot of parents dont even read them:x

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I'm all for some kind of limited copyright protection to encourage innovation, but this has gone way too far.
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#33 Setsa
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[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?Doctor-McNinja
May I remind you the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal was over a mom giving a rated M game to 10 year olds : /

Right... so it makes sense to put age ratings on games to stop stuff like that happening, right?

It makes more sense for parents to wise up and start getting informed about just what their kids are doing. The thing that grinds my gears is when parents blame the market instead of themselves when their kid sees a rater R movie or some other material on the internet that is highly inappropriate for that age group.
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that would be a great step towards killing piracy
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Western Europe's going to pot .:( I'm off East.Doctor-McNinja
Oh, the irony! You get a letter before they disconnect you. That article is inflammatory and I don't believe most of it.

It's amazing how people will literally just read something on the internet and decide it must be true. Maybe cutting it off is a good idea after all...

The way I see it Britain's already gone way overboard with CCTV and call and internet surveillance rights. Doubt what you like from the article, but have you got any reason to call the whole thing pure fabrication?
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What the? No trial? What the hell is going on here? :|
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#37 Lucifericus
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that would be a great step towards killing piracy_Ben99_
Yeah, I believe so too.
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[QUOTE="_Ben99_"]that would be a great step towards killing piracyLucifericus
Yeah, I believe so too.

I don't understand why this site is so anti-piracy 99% of the internet downloads music illegally or something illegally at some point. Killing piracy kills half the internets purpose for most people.
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[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]Also, what is so dumb about putting an age rating on a game? Is it not good that parents know not to buy something for their kids?cornholio157

May I remind you the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal was over a mom giving a rated M game to 10 year olds : /

proof ratings are useless becuase alot of parents dont even read them:x

Which is ironic, because it was parents who demanded a rating system for video games in the first place

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unfortunately Canada is doing something very similar.

BumFluff122
wow really?
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#41 Lucifericus
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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="_Ben99_"]that would be a great step towards killing piracyToriko42
Yeah, I believe so too.

I don't understand why this site is so anti-piracy 99% of the internet downloads music illegally or something illegally at some point. Killing piracy kills half the internets purpose for most people.

I hope piracy is killed for those people. Piracy is wrong. I think people should pay for something if they really want it.
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#42 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"] Yeah, I believe so too.

I don't understand why this site is so anti-piracy 99% of the internet downloads music illegally or something illegally at some point. Killing piracy kills half the internets purpose for most people.

I hope piracy is killed for those people. Piracy is wrong. I think people should pay for something if they really want it.

I totally disagree. Piracy restructured the music business for the better.
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#43 deactivated-61d91d42c39df
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well piracy is wrong whatever way you look at it.

I don't think people should be allowed to freely pirate whatever they want without consequences.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"] Yeah, I believe so too. Lucifericus
I don't understand why this site is so anti-piracy 99% of the internet downloads music illegally or something illegally at some point. Killing piracy kills half the internets purpose for most people.

I hope piracy is killed for those people. Piracy is wrong. I think people should pay for something if they really want it.

Just because people should do something doesn't mean they are going to. Piracy is one of those things that no matter how hard people try, it will never go away. Besides, you are going to sit there and tell me that you haven't downloadid 1 song for free off the web?

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The intention is right, but the means is oh so wrong.
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#46 Leejjohno
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This sounds made up. This isnt justice. No trial = imidiate fail imo...
And anti pirating militias that can do anything? Hmn... Internet SS?

chaplainDMK

Maybe if pirating was a good thing I would care... The video game ratings one is what I am bothered most by. If we end up like Australia I am gonna be pissed.

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#47 pecanin
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What Internet/Broadband are they going to police

this Dial Up crap we use in Blighty

shameful that they (ISP-s)can cheat ppl in this way

only thing Brit Gov is good at is lying/protecting big guys and

trod on man on the street

when i read stuff like this i want to download something

but i forget that this is U.K

buying something costs less then going nuts over snail speed

of Brit ''BROADBAND''

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#48 htekemerald
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One more step down the path to a police state internet.

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#49 Doctor-McNinja
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What Internet/Broadband are they going to police

this Dial Up crap we use in Blighty

shameful that they (ISP-s)can cheat ppl in this way

only thing Brit Gov is good at is lying/protecting big guys and

trod on man on the street

when i read stuff like this i want to download something

but i forget that this is U.K

buying something costs less then going nuts over snail speed

of Brit ''BROADBAND''

pecanin
I have a T1 line. Even my dorm room internet was fast when i was in college accommodation. If your internet is slow, get a new provider, dont blame Britain. :?
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#50 pecanin
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Mine is extremly fast mate

and i don't blame Britain

only Gov that has allowed BT/Virgin/Orange

and all other crooks to advertise one thing and

provide another.

What is UP TO

you pay 20 Mb/s and get 2 Mb/s and it is allways your

fault