Buddhist monk prays so much, he left footprints in wood

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#1 Theokhoth
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Good lord.

Three-thousand prayers a day for twenty years in the exact same spot.

Now that he is 70, he says that he has greatly reduced his quantity of prayers to 1,000 times each day.

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#2 kipohippo021
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:lol: thats crazy.
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Yeah, I know some muslims who have burn marks on the other side of their prayer rugs from the body heat, and a huge indent in the carpet, as well as a black mark on their forhead.
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Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

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.....having just looked at the pics, Ww0ah!!! That's nuts!
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Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

worlock77
....says the guy with budda for an avey. But it's better than doing bad stuff, right?
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Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

worlock77

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

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Wow incredible.

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#9 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

BluRayHiDef

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

At least he didn't chest his life; that'd be a real tragedy.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

Theokhoth

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

At least he didn't chest his life; that'd be a real tragedy.

Chest his life? What?

EDIT:

Oh, I see. I misspelled a word. How mature. Everyone makes typographical errors.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

BluRayHiDef

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

Too true. He could have easily made a GS account and had his 100k post party on OT with all that free time.
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#12 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.
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#13 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

where is your proof? There is no evidence for or against any divinity. If it made him happy, it wasnt a waste of time.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

BluRayHiDef

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

Most Buddhists however don't really put stock in the literal existence of deities. Gods in Buddhism are much like Jungian archetypes. Along with prayer they're used to aid in focusing mental energy.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

BluRayHiDef

At least he didn't chest his life; that'd be a real tragedy.

Chest his life? What?

EDIT:

Oh, I see. I misspelled a word. How mature. Everyone makes typographical errors.

Saying a monk wasted his life is a tid bit more immature than any joke I've made.
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#16 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

At least he didn't chest his life; that'd be a real tragedy.

Lmao. He mad now.
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#17 Dystopian-X
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lol oh religious ppl you so crazy.

:P:P:P:P

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

BluRayHiDef

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

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That's the definition of dedication.

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All that praying must make him a poplar guy...

[spoiler] Yeah, that was probably the worst attempt at an OT News Pun in the history of forever... [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

herpderp9000

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates their entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie. Hence, if someone dies after spending most of their life on the internet, their life would not have been spent in vain; it would have merely been a little lame.

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What do people say to God 3,000 times a day?
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#23 worlock77
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

sSubZerOo

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

Not really. Perfection isn't possible so we don't strive for it. Buddhists strive for peace and serenity in the world as is, with all its imperfections.

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#24 Dystopian-X
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What do people say to God 3,000 times a day?cd_rom
"Please give me back my life"?

Edit: That or "Please let the me mark my footprints on wood"

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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

BluRayHiDef

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates there entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie.

That is incorrect because Buddhism focuses on self discpline and perfection............... It is probably the one religion that is least focused on a afterlife..

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Seems like a waste of life to me, but whatever floats your boat.

sSubZerOo

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

It still believes in some sort of (unprovable) higher power.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

worlock77

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

Not really. Perfection isn't possible so we don't strive for it. Buddhists strive for peace and serenity in the world as is, with all its imperfections.

Of course you strive for perfections in trying to sacrifice all worldly possessions and desires to seek enlightenment.. At least thats what Buddhist monks do.

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#28 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates their entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie. Hence, if someone dies after spending most of their life on the internet, their life would not have been spent in vain; it would have merely been a little lame.

But he was happy. And having a happy life in my book, is a good life.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.sSubZerOo

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates there entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie.

That is incorrect because Buddhism focuses on self discpline and perfection............... It is probably the one religion that is least focused on a afterlife..

Not really, because it still posits some sort of higher power. If it doesn't, then what exactly do Buddhist pray to? They obviously believe that there is some sort of divinity.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely wasted his life.

BluRayHiDef

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

It still believes in some sort of (unprovable) higher power.

Yes but they don't devout themselves to gods glory.. Buddhism is more internal in seeking enlightenment.. From what I understand of the religion it is more about the journey of your soul/mind in seeking enlightenment then serving a god.

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates their entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie. Hence, if someone dies after spending most of their life on the internet, their life would not have been spent in vain; it would have merely been a little lame.

Maybe for you it would be, but that depends on how you view life itself. Is there an afterlife? Is there not? Will you get laid by staying on the internet 24 hours a day? Will you not? Is there a god? Is there not? These are questions you and I cannot answer. Supposing that there is no god is no reason not to be religious and live a happy life. Ok, suppose that there ISN'T a god. The monk is no worse off than he would have been. He dies, and that's it. It's not like he can regeret anything, if there is no god and after life.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

sSubZerOo

It still believes in some sort of (unprovable) higher power.

Yes but they don't devout themselves to gods glory.. Buddhism is more internal in seeking enlightenment.. From what I understand of the religion it is more about the journey of your soul/mind in seeking enlightenment then serving a god.

My argument still stands, considering the probability that there is no soul to be enlightened.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Mmm memory serves Buddhism does not focus on a after life, but a perfection of the soul in general..

sSubZerOo

Not really. Perfection isn't possible so we don't strive for it. Buddhists strive for peace and serenity in the world as is, with all its imperfections.

Of course you strive for perfections in trying to sacrifice all worldly possessions and desires to seek enlightenment.. At least thats what Buddhist monks do.

No, you don't strive for perfection. And Buddhists monks don't necessarily sacrafice all worldly posessions. They live simply yes. But that doesn't mean giving up everything. The thing is giving up attachments to possessions, not necessarily posessions themselves. You're ether severely misinformed or you simpply misunderstand.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

It still believes in some sort of (unprovable) higher power.

BluRayHiDef

Yes but they don't devout themselves to gods glory.. Buddhism is more internal in seeking enlightenment.. From what I understand of the religion it is more about the journey of your soul/mind in seeking enlightenment then serving a god.

My argument still stands, considering the probability that there is no soul to be enlightened.

Replace soul with mind, the point still stands.. Furthermore if you really want to become fatalistic, then really everything is a waste of time.. Because we are a grain a sand in a vast desert.. When our spieces dies out, the universe will go on and it will not notice our passing what so ever. So in all honesty what exactly is a worth while life?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates there entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie.

BluRayHiDef

That is incorrect because Buddhism focuses on self discpline and perfection............... It is probably the one religion that is least focused on a afterlife..

Not really, because it still posits some sort of higher power. If it doesn't, then what exactly do Buddhist pray to? They obviously believe that there is some sort of divinity.

I explained this on the previous page.

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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

BluRayHiDef

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates their entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie. Hence, if someone dies after spending most of their life on the internet, their life would not have been spent in vain; it would have merely been a little lame.

Except religious people, living as they do, impact the world around them; which, should all religions be a lie, remains constant regardless.
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Only OT could turn this into a religion thread :lol:
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#38 worlock77
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Only OT could turn this into a religion thread :lol:kipohippo021

It's a thread about a Buddhist monk praying. What is that about if not religion?

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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]Only OT could turn this into a religion thread :lol:worlock77

It's a thread about a Buddhist monk praying. What is that about if not religion?

Wood, of course.

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#40 Link334
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3k a day? :shock:
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#41 bobcheeseball
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Talk about dedication! Pretty admirable that he truly puts his life and soul into something he believes in.
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#42 Alex3796
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That's incredible. 3,000 prayers a day. If that isn't dedication, then I don't know what is.

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#43 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]Only OT could turn this into a religion thread :lol:worlock77

It's a thread about a Buddhist monk praying. What is that about if not religion?

crazy devotion and wood imprints, not about how it was a waste of time because there is no god (or buddah).
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#44 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Considering the very probable chance that there is no divinity of any sort, it is very likely that this monk has definitely waisted his life.

BluRayHiDef

What is up? Wasted his life? The same would be said of someone who spent most of their time on the internet or playing games! It made him happy, so he WON at life! He did not fail! Not everyone can invent a cure for polio or land on the moon! I am proud of this monk! Hummanity would be better off if more people spent their time "wasting their life" like this guy does.

Spending most of your life on the internet is not the same as spending most of it practicing religion. With religion, one dedicates their entire life to a certain creed based on the belief that there is some sort of divinity or deity which they must answer to. The problem with a religious life is that it will have been entirely in vain if there is indeed no divinity or deity since the absence of one nullifies the religion. Essentially, assuming that there is no divinity or deity, a religious person's life will have been devoted to a lie. As for spending your life on the internet, it may be a pretty low on the social scale, but it's not based on a potential lie. Hence, if someone dies after spending most of their life on the internet, their life would not have been spent in vain; it would have merely been a little lame.

If the person was content in his life, I'm not seeing the waste.

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#46 bobcheeseball
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[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]Talk about dedication! Pretty admirable that he truly puts his life and soul into something he believes in.PernicioEnigma
Yeah, to bad it wasn't something useful.

I'm sure it's useful to him...

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#47 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yes but they don't devout themselves to gods glory.. Buddhism is more internal in seeking enlightenment.. From what I understand of the religion it is more about the journey of your soul/mind in seeking enlightenment then serving a god.

sSubZerOo

My argument still stands, considering the probability that there is no soul to be enlightened.

Replace soul with mind, the point still stands.. Furthermore if you really want to become fatalistic, then really everything is a waste of time.. Because we are a grain a sand in a vast desert.. When our spieces dies out, the universe will go on and it will not notice our passing what so ever. So in all honesty what exactly is a worth while life?

Excuse my use of the term waste. It's not really about it being a waste of time (that's purely subjective). It's about living a lie. Irrespective of how beneficial a religious life may be for its followers, the fact that it's based on a potential lie makes it potentially vain.

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#48 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

My argument still stands, considering the probability that there is no soul to be enlightened.

BluRayHiDef

Replace soul with mind, the point still stands.. Furthermore if you really want to become fatalistic, then really everything is a waste of time.. Because we are a grain a sand in a vast desert.. When our spieces dies out, the universe will go on and it will not notice our passing what so ever. So in all honesty what exactly is a worth while life?

Excuse my use of the term waste. It's not really about it being a waste of time (that's purely subjective). It's about living a lie. Irrespective of how beneficial a religious life may be for its followers, the fact that it's based on a potential lie makes it potentially vain.

And as long as it's a "potential" lie, I don't think it really matters, as all lifestyIes are "potential" wastes of time, regardless of religion.
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#49 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Replace soul with mind, the point still stands.. Furthermore if you really want to become fatalistic, then really everything is a waste of time.. Because we are a grain a sand in a vast desert.. When our spieces dies out, the universe will go on and it will not notice our passing what so ever. So in all honesty what exactly is a worth while life?

Theokhoth

Excuse my use of the term waste. It's not really about it being a waste of time (that's purely subjective). It's about living a lie. Irrespective of how beneficial a religious life may be for its followers, the fact that it's based on a potential lie makes it potentially vain.

And as long as it's a "potential" lie, I don't think it really matters, as all lifestyIes are "potential" wastes of time, regardless of religion.

No, no, no. Why can't you see the difference? A secular lifestyle is not lived out based on an unconfirmed belief which defies all logic and science and is subsequently highly improbable. As I said, it's not about it being a waste,it's about it being based on a lie. It's about living your life entirely for a belief which may be false.

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#50 worlock77
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

My argument still stands, considering the probability that there is no soul to be enlightened.

BluRayHiDef

Replace soul with mind, the point still stands.. Furthermore if you really want to become fatalistic, then really everything is a waste of time.. Because we are a grain a sand in a vast desert.. When our spieces dies out, the universe will go on and it will not notice our passing what so ever. So in all honesty what exactly is a worth while life?

Excuse my use of the term waste. It's not really about it being a waste of time (that's purely subjective). It's about living a lie. Irrespective of how beneficial a religious life may be for its followers, the fact that it's based on a potential lie makes it potentially vain.

The teachings of the Buddha are self-evident (in my view), and in no way depend on there being any kind of higher power or afterlife.