Bush, Good or Bad?

He started off well, then he made a stimulus package and became exactly the opposite of what his party was supposed to be stand for (even though it stands for nothing anymore) and he wound up creating out current economic collapse. So no, he was not a good leader.Pyro767

He was a pretty decent president until he brought up the stimulus package. From there it went seriously downhill.

He started off well, then he made a stimulus package and became exactly the opposite of what his party was supposed to be stand for (even though it stands for nothing anymore) and he wound up creating out current economic collapse. So no, he was not a good leader.Pyro767

[QUOTE="Pyro767"]He started off well, then he made a stimulus package and became exactly the opposite of what his party was supposed to be stand for (even though it stands for nothing anymore) and he wound up creating out current economic collapse. So no, he was not a good leader.Pirate700

He did a good job leading us through after 9/11 and went south after that. He is the best and the worst president in terms of approval ratings. I however didn't think he was HORRIBLE just far from greatOblivionfan10

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[QUOTE="Pyro767"]He started off well, then he made a stimulus package and became exactly the opposite of what his party was supposed to be stand for (even though it stands for nothing anymore) and he wound up creating out current economic collapse. So no, he was not a good leader.Pyro767

:| If you didn't like Bush's stimulus, I'd like to hear what you think of Obama's.

I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.mattykovax

I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.mattykovax

I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.mattykovax

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[QUOTE="Pyro767"]He started off well, then he made a stimulus package and became exactly the opposite of what his party was supposed to be stand for (even though it stands for nothing anymore) and he wound up creating out current economic collapse. So no, he was not a good leader.Pyro767

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]The people created the economic collapse. Not Bush.

Pirate700

:| If you didn't like Bush's stimulus, I'd like to hear what you think of Obama's.

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.Oblivionfan10

*shrugs* didn't like him, didn't hate him. They way I feel about Bush pretty much equals the way I feel about Obama, and most other presidents.

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.Pyro767

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.Pirate700

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.Pirate700

or great hero?eno_crux

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[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"] Many just find it easier to blame Bush. Sad but trueOblivionfan10

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.Pyro767

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[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"] Many just find it easier to blame Bush. Sad but trueOblivionfan10

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Boy aint that the truth.

kind of bad, but hes not the anti christ hippie-liberal-douchebags make him out to be. he did what he could, and id like to point out that he isnt responsible for everything wrong with america today.

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Boy aint that the truth.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Boy aint that the truth.

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]I think he was the same as most presidents. A figurehead that takes the heat and the blame for what the congress,senate,and his own administration does,and than has to take the heat and deal with other world leaders like he is important when he has nothing but a veto and controll of the armed forces IF the other branches approve war. Just like ALL presidents. People wake up.mattykovax

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And how did the stimulus package send us into a downward economic spiral.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="Pyro767"] I'm wide awake and fairly peppy. That veto power you mentioned is the most powerful ability available to anyone in the country, and you know what? He didn't stop that stimulus package that sent us into a downward economic spiral. He could have stopped it easily, but he didn't.Pyro767

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[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"] I believe our current President is trying to still blame things on Bush, instead of taking responsibilityBayAreaX

He kept us safe post-9/11. No attacks afterwards.

He ordered aircraft carrier task groups to New York City, and the U.S. Navy flew protective sorties over the city 24-7.

That's ultra-protection there: carriers & fighters, destroyers, frigates, guided-missile cruisers, the whole nine yards.

The Secret Service did not want President Bush to return to the White House, but he overrode their protective stance: he said he had to lead the nation, to let the people see he was leading without fear.

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]But even if he did,they can still overide him. Thats politics and knowledge of the branches of the government. Its still not his or anyone including obama in the highest offices fault. they are figureheads. there job si to keep us debating this while the other branches do things and by teh time we realize its over becaue we are dabating this ****. I do not often debate politics but I know my ****.eno_crux

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[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"] I believe our current President is trying to still blame things on Bush, instead of taking responsibilityOblivionfan10

[QUOTE="BayAreaX"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly what I said after editing.:P Obama is still blaming Bush like a child. Every time Obama falters in his term it will always be Bush's fault. I seriously don't like Obama's mentality as president.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="Pyro767"] I'm wide awake and fairly peppy. That veto power you mentioned is the most powerful ability available to anyone in the country, and you know what? He didn't stop that stimulus package that sent us into a downward economic spiral. He could have stopped it easily, but he didn't.Pyro767

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Boy aint that the truth.

Pirate700

All politics is pretty much whining and blaming the other party, Whether it be in the governement, media, or from the public.

Bush was a good leader. Unpopularity does not equal to bad. th3warr1or

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]But even if he did,they can still overide him. Thats politics and knowledge of the branches of the government. Its still not his or anyone including obama in the highest offices fault. they are figureheads. there job si to keep us debating this while the other branches do things and by teh time we realize its over becaue we are dabating this ****. I do not often debate politics but I know my ****.mattykovax

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pyro767"] Because that's what "stimulus" packages do, they attempt to help when all they really do is spend money on useless causes, attempt to save doomed businesses, and create temporary jobs that won't make it more than 2 years.Pyro767

[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly what I said after editing.:P Obama is still blaming Bush like a child. Every time Obama falters in his term it will always be Bush's fault. I seriously don't like Obama's mentality as president.

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]But even if he did,they can still overide him. Thats politics and knowledge of the branches of the government. Its still not his or anyone including obama in the highest offices fault. they are figureheads. there job si to keep us debating this while the other branches do things and by teh time we realize its over becaue we are dabating this ****. I do not often debate politics but I know my ****.mattykovax

He kept us safe post-9/11. No attacks afterwards.

He ordered aircraft carrier task groups to New York City, and the U.S. Navy flew protective sorties over the city 24-7.

That's ultra-protection there: carriers & fighters, destroyers, frigates, guided-missile cruisers, the whole nine yards.

The Secret Service did not want President Bush to return to the White House, but he overrode their protective stance: he said he had to lead the nation, to let the people see he was leading without fear.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That's not explaining at all how the stimulus package that he signed in 2008 caused anything. All you did was spew some conservative talking points. -Sun_Tzu-