Bush pardons himself and administration from war crimes.

Hidden in a bill that expands federal surveillance that passed the House yesterday is a clause that pardons Bush and his administration from any "possible" war crimes dating back to 9/11/01.

This literally makes me sick to my stomach. Violations of the Geneva convention can be punishable by death, and Bush gets to pardon himself. Disgusting.

worst president ever...... worst than grantrrric

word~

i hate bush...he killed more of our ppl than the terrorist did 6 yrs ago~

whatan underhanded thing to do. the thing that gets me is how theyre trying to push it so fast before much of anyone realizes what theyre doing.

one... year... left...

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

worst president ever...... worst than grantrrric

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*Bill900

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunch conservative to say that...

worst president ever...... worst than grantrrric

[QUOTE="Bill900"]I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*g-unit248

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunchconservative to say that...

No, I just don't think he's as bad as eveyone makes him out to be, granted I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he's not a total screw up at least

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]

[QUOTE="Bill900"]I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*Bill900

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunchconservative to say that...

No, I just don't think he's as bad as eveyone makes him out to be, granted I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he's not a total screw up at least

Clinton was a great president. We had a huge surplus. All he did was cheat on his wife.

Bush on the other hand has basically pissed on the Constituiton. And no one seems to care.

[QUOTE="Bill900"][QUOTE="g-unit248"]

[QUOTE="Bill900"]I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*Nickman71

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunchconservative to say that...

No, I just don't think he's as bad as eveyone makes him out to be, granted I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he's not a total screw up at least

Clinton was a great president. We had a huge surplus. All he did was cheat on his wife.

Bush on the other hand has basically pissed on the Constituiton. And no one seems to care.

no he cheated on her and then lied about it

and don't forget these two incidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Willey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

[QUOTE="Nickman71"][QUOTE="Bill900"][QUOTE="g-unit248"]

[QUOTE="Bill900"]I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*Bill900

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunchconservative to say that...

No, I just don't think he's as bad as eveyone makes him out to be, granted I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he's not a total screw up at least

Clinton was a great president. We had a huge surplus. All he did was cheat on his wife.

Bush on the other hand has basically pissed on the Constituiton. And no one seems to care.

no he cheated on her and then lied about it

and don't forget these two incidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Willey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

Cheating on someone implies that you're lying to them at some point. After all, not many people tell their wives "Hey, I'm with other women." casually.

Clinton may have had some issues but he was a good prez.

[QUOTE="Nickman71"][QUOTE="Bill900"][QUOTE="g-unit248"]

[QUOTE="Bill900"]I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*Bill900

i wont flame you, but you must really be quite the staunchconservative to say that...

No, I just don't think he's as bad as eveyone makes him out to be, granted I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he's not a total screw up at least

Clinton was a great president. We had a huge surplus. All he did was cheat on his wife.

Bush on the other hand has basically pissed on the Constituiton. And no one seems to care.

no he cheated on her and then lied about it

and don't forget these two incidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Willey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

But the question is why was he put under oath in the first place? Yes he lied, but why should a president have to go under oath when disscusing whether he cheated on his wife or not (something that isn't illegal)

And please just stop. You can't even compare Clinton lies to Bushes.

Lying about WMD's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lying about a blowjob.

If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.FPSGunnerDude

If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.FPSGunnerDude

They voted for the war because the Bush administration told them Iraq had WMD's.

*bangs head on desk* how can he pardon himself!! gah. he deserves to be tried for war crimes because he tried to pretend the geneva conventions didn't exist.

thats a damn shame, he can still be tried out of the country, Geneva conventions is globalg-unit248

that is an idea, but i don't know how many countries could and actually would try that. and i don't know if they actually legally could. gods bush has made a mess of international law and policy

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.Nickman71

They voted for the war because the Bush administration told them Iraq had WMD's.

Yeah I heard, that's what those liars are still saying nowadays.

[QUOTE="Nickman71"]

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.FPSGunnerDude

They voted for the war because the Bush administration told them Iraq had WMD's.

Yeah I heard, that's what those liars are still saying nowadays.

How is voting for a war that the entire administration lied about a war crime?

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="Nickman71"]

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.Nickman71

They voted for the war because the Bush administration told them Iraq had WMD's.

Yeah I heard, that's what those liars are still saying nowadays.

How is voting for a war that the entire administration lied about a war crime?

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

Bill900

i agree with this man, scoot over i need behind the flame shield too!

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

FPSGunnerDude

did they tell you they were lying?

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

FPSGunnerDude

Could you explain this a little more? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[QUOTE="Bill900"]

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

inyourface_12

i agree with this man, scoot over i need behind the flame shield too!

Clinton wasn't a bad president or a good one. All he had to do was bask in the great economy & gov't surplus provided by an overly inflated stock market, he was just lucky to be leaving before it popped. Actually, seeing as I prefer laissez-faire gov't (Libertarian, FTW!), he did exactly what I'd want as a president.

And that bill is kind of shocking, cuz it makes you wonder just what we DON'T already know about Bush doing so far and what he plans to do if it rides through o_0

[QUOTE="inyourface_12"][QUOTE="Bill900"]

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

Yagami-Iori

i agree with this man, scoot over i need behind the flame shield too!

Clinton wasn't a bad president or a good one. All he had to do was bask in the great economy & gov't surplus provided by an overly inflated stock market, he was just lucky to be leaving before it popped. Actually, seeing as I prefer laissez-faire gov't (Libertarian, FTW!), he did exactly what I'd want as a president.

And that bill is kind of shocking, cuz it makes you wonder just what we DON'T already know about Bush doing so far and what he plans to do if it rides through o_0

Good point, I guess we will find out..

P.S love the sig..

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="Nickman71"]

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]If he's tried for war crimes, all the Democrats who voted for the war better line up to get tried for war crimes too. Hillary, Kerry, all of them.Nickman71

They voted for the war because the Bush administration told them Iraq had WMD's.

Yeah I heard, that's what those liars are still saying nowadays.

How is voting for a war that the entire administration lied about a war crime?

voting for a war is not a war crime. read the geneva convention or at least part of it. and see how bush disobeyed most of it. nothing in there states that it is a war crime to vote for war. besides the democrats did not vote to torture and hold prisoners for years on end in gitmo with no trial. they had no say in it

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

and even if they tried to say they weren't prisoners of war bush broke other international treaties by keeping the people in gitmo the way he did. but that no longer matters since the supreme court ruled this treaty applies to al queda and iraq.

he deserves to be tried for war crimes

[QUOTE="inyourface_12"][QUOTE="Bill900"]

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

Yagami-Iori

i agree with this man, scoot over i need behind the flame shield too!

Clinton wasn't a bad president or a good one. All he had to do was bask in the great economy & gov't surplus provided by an overly inflated stock market, he was just lucky to be leaving before it popped. Actually, seeing as I prefer laissez-faire gov't (Libertarian, FTW!), he did exactly what I'd want as a president.

And that bill is kind of shocking, cuz it makes you wonder just what we DON'T already know about Bush doing so far and what he plans to do if it rides through o_0

I believe he was an above average president. He lowered taxes for the middle class, raised taxes for the rich, attempted to provide universal healthcare, promoted gay rights, and used American troops the stop the ethnic cleansing in Serbia. We also had a huge surplus under him, and kept it through his presidency. His presidency is just overshadowed by the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

I think is too late for apologies now, bring the troops back is what he should doCedric169

Obviously you don't quite understand the amount of time, effort, and money it would take to just "bring them all home now". Not to mention the human cost of things if we left in a hurry.

what is even worse is the fact that everything that we now know about Bush and his administration, there are still people out there that will vote this monkey in for another 4 years..import_fighter1

You could dress the devil up as either a democrat or republican and people would still vote for them because they vote the ticket.

I don't think you can pardon yourself.sonicare

if this bill passes, he just made his own rules to where he can..

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"][QUOTE="inyourface_12"][QUOTE="Bill900"]

I actually don't think that he is that bad of a president, better than Clinton at least.*raises theflame shields and prepares for the onslaught*

Nickman71

i agree with this man, scoot over i need behind the flame shield too!

Clinton wasn't a bad president or a good one. All he had to do was bask in the great economy & gov't surplus provided by an overly inflated stock market, he was just lucky to be leaving before it popped. Actually, seeing as I prefer laissez-faire gov't (Libertarian, FTW!), he did exactly what I'd want as a president.

And that bill is kind of shocking, cuz it makes you wonder just what we DON'T already know about Bush doing so far and what he plans to do if it rides through o_0

I believe he was an above average president. He lowered taxes for the middle class, raised taxes for the rich, attempted to provide universal healthcare, promoted gay rights, and used American troops the stop the ethnic cleansing in Serbia. We also had a huge surplus under him, and kept it through his presidency. His presidency is just overshadowed by the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Lol, that's where he loses for me in health care. Lack of universal health care isn't the issue in the USA, it's the drug companies being allowed to advertise (which creates huge expenses built into medicine cost) and the ability of any American to sure for uncapped punative damages against medical professionals & other related services. But that's a debate for a whole 'nother thread and I'm too tired to go further tonight :P

what is even worse is the fact that everything that we now know about Bush and his administration, there are still people out there that will vote this monkey in for another 4 years..import_fighter1

Presidents can only serve two terms, so people can't vote for him.

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]what is even worse is the fact that everything that we now know about Bush and his administration, there are still people out there that will vote this monkey in for another 4 years..reddevilyi

Presidents can only serve two terms, so people can't vote for him.

I know that, i'm just saying that if he had 4 more years coming, there are still people that will vote him in

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

muthsera666

Could you explain this a little more? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Basically if you are against the cause of the war, the Democrats said the exact same reasons (and there were reasonS, not just one) for it. And, now since their party has gone anti war, they have decided to turn coat and call the president a liar, when they would be liars as well!

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

FPSGunnerDude

Could you explain this a little more? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Basically if you are against the cause of the war, the Democrats said the exact same reasons (and there were reasonS, not just one) for it. And, now since their party has gone anti war, they have decided to turn coat and call the president a liar, when they would be liars as well!

The point of this post is not the justification of the war.. it's about what Bush and his administration has done SINCE the war began.. and now he's trying to cover himself by giving himself and his buddies a pardon..

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

import_fighter1

Could you explain this a little more? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Basically if you are against the cause of the war, the Democrats said the exact same reasons (and there were reasonS, not just one) for it. And, now since their party has gone anti war, they have decided to turn coat and call the president a liar, when they would be liars as well!

The point of this post is not the justification of the war.. it's about what Bush and his administration has done SINCE the war began.. and now he's trying to cover himself by giving himself and his buddies a pardon..

Sorry. Since some anti war people call the whole war a war crime, I thought you might be talking about that.

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

And I said, I know, that's what the lying Democrats are saying nowadays!

FPSGunnerDude

Could you explain this a little more? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Basically if you are against the cause of the war, the Democrats said the exact same reasons (and there were reasonS, not just one) for it. And, now since their party has gone anti war, they have decided to turn coat and call the president a liar, when they would be liars as well!

The point of this post is not the justification of the war.. it's about what Bush and his administration has done SINCE the war began.. and now he's trying to cover himself by giving himself and his buddies a pardon..

Sorry. Since some anti war people call the whole war a war crime, I thought you might be talking about that.

the whole war is not a crime. it is the actions bush has sanctioned during the war which are war crimes. such as the treatment of prisoners and detention without trials. those are the actions that are war crimes as they are against the geneva convention. one could argue the war is against international law, but it would be a hard case. the war crimes that he is pardoning himself for are not at all hard to prove. he routinely mentioned that he wasn't going to follow the geneva conventions because he didn't have to because this was a new kind of war. unfortanetly for him he can't make deicisions as to what treaties are no longer necessary, hence why he needs to be tried as a war criminal

it is the nature of rulers to excuse themselves for their atrocities. bush is garbage like all rulers.

"Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest." -- Denis Diderot

[QUOTE="rrric"]worst president ever...... worst than grantEboyLOL

Don't forget about President Hoover. He did nothing to aid those suffering from the Great Depression.