California judge slams marijuana laws.

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#1 Coffee_Blade
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiYCBN84xkg

Every word this man says is true. Especially about the hemp factor. Hemp has no psychoactive affects and is truely a great resource. The declaration of independence was written on hemp paper and the first laws regaurding hemp were ones that ordered farmers to grow it. You can grow hemp but you need a stamp and they aren't giving any out here in america. I alsosupport his hypothesis on why the government won't legalize in the end. How else can Obama say the war on drugs is a failure and have no mind to change it? If wasn't for Jim Webb bringing things into question with his his new bill it probably never would have.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/28/webb/index.html

If anything just think about this. The united states has 5% of the worlds population but has 25% of its prisoners. A staggering fact.

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Watching now
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Watching nowDivergeUnify

Translation: Wooo hooo I wants my marijuana! Unban it pl0x?

Just kidding Diverge :D.

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Watching nowchessmaster1989

Translation: Wooo hooo I wants my marijuana! Unban it pl0x?

Just kidding Diverge :D.

Well, you're not wrong :P
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#5 Itz_Raining
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Legalizing it would defidentely stimulate our horrible economy.

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Legalizing it would defidentely stimulate our horrible economy.

Itz_Raining
it wouldn't fix the economy, but it would definately help out some states.
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[QUOTE="Itz_Raining"]

Legalizing it would defidentely stimulate our horrible economy.

DivergeUnify

it wouldn't fix the economy, but it would definately help out some states.

Are you kidding? Legalizing weed in Berkley, CA alone would send us into a huge surplus!

:P

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[QUOTE="Itz_Raining"]

Legalizing it would defidentely stimulate our horrible economy.

DivergeUnify
it wouldn't fix the economy, but it would definately help out some states.

Have You seen Super High Me? it has the guy from worst and best week ever. The medical marijuana industry makes overs a billion dollars in taxes a year.You know how fast we would be out if it was legalized
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Itz_Raining"]

Legalizing it would defidentely stimulate our horrible economy.

Animal-Mother
it wouldn't fix the economy, but it would definately help out some states.

Have You seen Super High Me? it has the guy from worst and best week ever. The medical marijuana industry makes overs a billion dollars in taxes a year.You know how fast we would be out if it was legalized

No. I don't see how it's possible that the economy could have a full recovery based on the legalization of marijuana.
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It will definitely help the economy, but we will still have lots of problems. Legalize it!!!
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#11 Listen_420
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\o/ It's better than alcohol!

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\o/ It's better than alcohol!

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Agreed. Why would I drink something that will make me sick the next day, when I could smoke feel good and feel fine the next day.
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] it wouldn't fix the economy, but it would definately help out some states. DivergeUnify
Have You seen Super High Me? it has the guy from worst and best week ever. The medical marijuana industry makes overs a billion dollars in taxes a year.You know how fast we would be out if it was legalized

No. I don't see how it's possible that the economy could have a full recovery based on the legalization of marijuana.

I never said we would be fully out, but we wouldnt have to worry as much if the country was making over a billions in taxes. They make over 1 billion in cali alone
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wow I posted this earlier today and I thought the topic was abandoned without me seeing some responses. Anyways, im glad to see people agree with me. Everyday people are finally realizing that marijuana should not be grouped into the same categories of meth and heroin. Its becoming discussed more in the media and will obviously help the economy. Any politician who asked facts as to why it should stay illegal have no facts to back it up and are easily refuted because there are no arguments against keeping it illegal. For instance, its a gateway drug. Wrong. Tobacco and alcohol are commonly used before marijuana and people wouldn't have to be around other harder drugs if you could pick it up at your local gas station rather than a shady dealer who has crack in the back. It kills brain cells. Wrong. The study that was used during the Nixon years to find that out actually put a gas mask on monkeys and deprived them of oxygen, thats what killed their brain cells. Do some research to find out why it was made illegal. You will find its roots in racism and yellow journalism. We don't have to keep cutting down our rain forests at this rate. Like the video said, an acre of hemp can make the same amount of paper as an acre of trees. Hemp can even make biodegradable plastic. Yet we need to continue destroying our planet and letting drug cartels thank us for keeping it illegal, so people can't get high and chill out. Don't listen to the lies the government feeds us.
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it should be legal. i don't smoke it but it would get some drugs off the street. there would be more drug free commercials for it also. people would smoke it and then say man this is stupid and quit. just like smoking cigarettes. people smoke that for a couple of years then try to quit. i would imagine that it would be the same thing.
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i hope they legalize it. we can all hope...

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i just watched the video and was very impressed with the guys arguement, gonna send it to all my friends and such but yeah 2.3 billion dollars more in ca. alove each year... thatd be great... " dont gimme no bammer weed, we dont smoke that !@#$ in the SFC"
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#19 Coffee_Blade
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i hope they legalize it. we can all hope...

muller39
For sure man. Innocent people have their lives screwed over every day for stupid reasons. The benefits greatly outway anything prohibitionists can say.
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#20 xobballox
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As many of you have said, it makes no sense to be illegal. It is profitable for the government (if legal), you don't get a hangover, you can't overdose, it doesn't have addicting nicotine (although I bet you could probably get mentally addicted, just like anything else, WoW for example), and it would take a lot of money from drug cartels.

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[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"][QUOTE="muller39"]

i hope they legalize it. we can all hope...

For sure man. Innocent people have their lives screwed over every day for stupid reasons. The benefits greatly outway anything prohibitionists can say.

i do have to say at least people and also people in the governments are talking about it now which is getting the ball rolling on this issue. its only a matter of time imo
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I don't understand though. Marijuana is not the only drug out there. If we legalize marijuana, those agency still have to get the budget to fight other drugs. Unless they are too dumb, there got to be another reason behind it, and this judge or his sources are not allowed to make it public.magicalclick
Bingo, we have a winner. That is one of the huge counter arguements against legalizing Marijuana. I dont smoke, nor do I ever have the intentions too but im still all for it being legalized. One of the big flaws, however, is if we open "the gate" we won't be able to close it and regulate it as easy as people make it seem, which could easily backfire and corrupt a lot more than we think. Im glad people are for it being legalized but don't just jump the bandwagon because you smoke, know the consequences that may come from this. Its not all flowers and lolipops.

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Marijuana is so silly to have as illegal, it makes no sense to me Either way I enjoy the liberal enforcement of marijuana laws where I live but it should not be illegal
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One of the big flaws, however, is if we open "the gate" we won't be able to close it and regulate it as easy as people make it seem, which could easily backfire and corrupt a lot more than we think. Im glad people are for it being legalized but don't just jump the bandwagon because you smoke, know the consequences that may come from this. Its not all flowers and lolipops.

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It seems to me that we've already opened "the gate", so to speak, what with having tobacco and alcohol legal. Those are just as much drugs as marijuana, and we seem perfectly fine with regulating those. Indeed, probably one of the most widely accepted lies by omission is the idea that alcohol isn't a drug.

I've never smoked a joint in my life, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing the obvious benefits and really very few drawbacks of legalizing marijuana (the right way, mind you, not making it available to absolutely anyone who wants it).

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Actually if you open "The Gate", marijuana is not hip anymore. :roll: I guess this is one good reason to keep it illegal. Make something not really harmful as hip, so those kids can hip in the safe way. Hummmmm........

magicalclick

Interestingly enough, the current evidence available would actually indicate that as a possible effect. Switzerland implemented a program a while back where they would prescribe heroin to heroin addicts and monitor the effects. They actually found that the number of new heroin addicts decreased year over year, due in large part (or so it was theorized) to the fact that heroin was now seen as something causing a pitiable medical condition than as something rebellious that one could go to jail over.

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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

One of the big flaws, however, is if we open "the gate" we won't be able to close it and regulate it as easy as people make it seem, which could easily backfire and corrupt a lot more than we think. Im glad people are for it being legalized but don't just jump the bandwagon because you smoke, know the consequences that may come from this. Its not all flowers and lolipops.

GabuEx

It seems to me that we've already opened "the gate", so to speak, what with having tobacco and alcohol legal. Those are just as much drugs as marijuana, and we seem perfectly fine with regulating those. Indeed, probably one of the most widely accepted lies by omission is the idea that alcohol isn't a drug.

I've never smoked a joint in my life, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing the obvious benefits and really very few drawbacks of legalizing marijuana (the right way, mind you, not making it available to absolutely anyone who wants it).

Yea of course, i agree, im not saying its not possible, im just saying that "if" we cannot regulate it as well, it wont take long for it to grow into something corrupted. The only difference, however, between Marijuana and Alchol (aside from the drug effects) are that Marijuana is much more accessable for the youth, and it always will be regardless if this passes or not. Besides that, Marijuana is known to be the gateway drugs into things for more harmful, like E and such

Like you, Ive never smoked a joint in my life, and im still all for the legalization but I honestly can't help but to think its not as easy as 1,2,3... I honestly have this feeling that this could backfire. Yea the money sounds great but i think people see the dollar signs and jump the boat way to fast.

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Everyday people are finally realizing that marijuana should not be grouped into the same categories of meth and heroin. Coffee_Blade

Actually, meth is scheduled differently from marijuana. Marijuana is Schedule I (like heroin or cocaine) but methamphetamine is Schedule II (prescribable drugs)

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I love how hemp and cannabis are still considered the same thing by so many people. It's such an incredible resource not used nearly enough. And cannabis? Why not? Nobody has ever overdosed from it. Alcohol and cigarettes are drugs as well? I think that a law against a plant is juvenile, borderline moronic behavior.
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#32 l34052
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The 'its a gateway drug' argument is the one ive never understood at all, its a completely ridiculous argument with absoltely no base at all. Its like saying that anyone who has a few beers on the weekend is going to become a raging alcoholic which as we all know is completely ridiculous.

There are a few that do go down this road but they are the exception rather than the rule, theres many millions across the world on every continent that just enjoy a drink for what it is not because they're completely dependent on it. Unless u have an addictive personality ur no more likely to become an alcoholic than the next man in the street which is exactly the same for cannabis. There may be a few that progress onto harder things but again they are the exception rather than the rule and they would have found these drugs with or without weed.

Take Holland for example, the number of dutch citizens that actually smoke is lower than any country in the world, the vast majority that smoke weed there are tourists bringing valuable tax money into the economy from every corner of the globe which can only benefit the countries economy.

I firmley believe weed will become legalised sooner rather than later, its only a matter of time before common sense over an outdated and baseless argument comes through, prohibiton in the US didnt work and neither is the blanket banning of cannabis its just adding to the problem not helping to solve it.

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#33 njean777
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It should be legal but until the government finds a way to tax it , it will never be legal sadly.