Can someone help me understand something?

Who created creation, and how exactly were they created without creation being created first?

Doesn't it take time to create something? How did something create time without time to create creation itself?

dont worry about things like that

Who created creation, and how exactly were they created without creation being created first?

Doesn't it take time to create something? How did something create time without time to create creation itself?

Rayk3400

If you're talking about God, then God wa snot created. He is eternal. The universe is not eternal, before you even ask.>_>

Theoretically, God created time first. . .

Thomas Aquinas thought about this, he described god as the "Unmoving Mover"

He understood, that for every action, there was a reaction... but he asked "who/what was the original cause" he concluded that god was the original cause

The universe has always existed.--Anna--

but what created it?

The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Greenwhitegreen

Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Greenwhitegreen

Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Greenwhitegreen

Not quite. This can be useful information, and could possibly be practical. I'm still waiting for undeniable proof of the exhistance of white holes, as this could be a cause for the creation of matter.

Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Greenwhitegreen

You'll be back... oh, you'll be back...

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Sparticus247

Not quite. This can be useful information, and could possibly be practical. I'm still waiting for undeniable proof of the exhistance of white holes, as this could be a cause for the creation of matter.

As he said this is not completely relegion. I am trying to find a logical way to explain my question, like with science.

Just wondering, what are white holes? Some sort or extreme curvature of spacetime that light somehow does not fall into? Mabye you were just BSing...

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Sparticus247

Not quite. This can be useful information, and could possibly be practical. I'm still waiting for undeniable proof of the exhistance of white holes, as this could be a cause for the creation of matter.

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!Rayk3400

Not quite. This can be useful information, and could possibly be practical. I'm still waiting for undeniable proof of the exhistance of white holes, as this could be a cause for the creation of matter.

As he said this is not completely relegion. I am trying to find a logical way to explain my question, like with science.

Just wondering, what are white holes? Some sort or extreme curvature of spacetime that light somehow does not fall into? Mabye you were just BSing...

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.Rayk3400

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

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this question makes my mind go like that..itsnot within our logic

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Anna's right. Plus, for the Big Bang to even work, all of our laws of physics had to be here. But where did they come from? Figure that one out.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

[QUOTE="--Anna--"][QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.thnickaman13

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Anna's right. Plus, for the Big Bang to even work, all of our laws of physics had to be here. But where did they come from? Figure that one out.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Well, as one of Newton's Laws of Motion explains, an object will continue to move in a strait line unless some external force acts upon it. How could any form of external force act upon existence itself? Newtons laws are as far as we know absolutly correct, that's why they are Laws, many scientists tried to disprove it, none successful.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Well, as one of Newton's Laws of Motion explains, an object will continue to move in a strait line unless some external force acts upon it. How could any form of external force act upon existence itself? Newtons laws are as far as we know absolutly correct, that's why they are Laws, many scientists tried to disprove it, none successful.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]Ahhhh...a religious thread...*quickly leaves*!xaos

Not quite. This can be useful information, and could possibly be practical. I'm still waiting for undeniable proof of the exhistance of white holes, as this could be a cause for the creation of matter.

As he said this is not completely relegion. I am trying to find a logical way to explain my question, like with science.

Just wondering, what are white holes? Some sort or extreme curvature of spacetime that light somehow does not fall into? Mabye you were just BSing...

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

Sparticus247

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

blooddemon666

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

blooddemon666

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

Yes, but that can depend on where you are when you measue it. Our universe may seem to last long from our point of view, but in other situations our unierse may not have been around that long, since the intensity of gravity can affect space/time, how can we accuratly measure it. It passes differently depending on where you measure it.

Our universe may have been around for a few trillion years the way we see it, but in other areas of space it really hasn't been around that long at all.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

Sparticus247

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

Yes, but that can depend on where you are when you measue it. Our universe may seem to last long from our point of view, but in other situations our unierse may not have been around that long, since the intensity of gravity can affect space/time, how can we accuratly measure it. It passes differently depending on where you measure it.

Our universe may have been around for a few trillion years the way we see it, but in other areas of space it really hasn't been around that long at all.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

Sparticus247

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

Yes, but that can depend on where you are when you measue it. Our universe may seem to last long from our point of view, but in other situations our unierse may not have been around that long, since the intensity of gravity can affect space/time, how can we accuratly measure it. It passes differently depending on where you measure it.

Our universe may have been around for a few trillion years the way we see it, but in other areas of space it really hasn't been around that long at all.

The universe is everything that exists so their is no stationary viewer. All viewers are relitive to our time, our motion, etc...

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

That's interesting.

There was another theory that I though was intereting about universal creation. I think it was something like the extreme gravity that condenses matter into the singularity which later forms into a black hole, could possibly bend affect space time enough to create a new extrademensional universe with itself. The collapsing matter that formed the singularity could then in turn be fule for a "big bang" in that dimension of space.

I thought this was interesting because the time that passes withing the event horizen is nothing like the time that occurs anywhere else.

Rayk3400

well those "mini-universes" never last as long as our universe. One day, I was interested in the fact that "what happens to a black hole, does it ever end?" and after some google-fu, I found that they bleed out, or "radiate-out" in their case.

So the mini universes in this theory only last a few billion years and then collapse in upon themselves.

Yes, but that can depend on where you are when you measue it. Our universe may seem to last long from our point of view, but in other situations our unierse may not have been around that long, since the intensity of gravity can affect space/time, how can we accuratly measure it. It passes differently depending on where you measure it.

Our universe may have been around for a few trillion years the way we see it, but in other areas of space it really hasn't been around that long at all.

The universe is everything that exists so their is no stationary viewer. All viewers are relitive to our time, our motion, etc...

Exactly, so could the few billion years that the "mini-universe" be in fact much longer than what we observe?

Also if perhaps there was really nothing around before the universe was created, then it could be considered a time where ther was nothing but a true vacuum. And since a true vacuum at it's native state can possibly hold an infinite amount of energy. This is interesting since in general relatively I believe that both matter and energy can be considered the same. So could the "zero-point enrgy" wiithin a vaccum possibly lead to the creation of matter?Sparticus247

[QUOTE="--Anna--"][QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.Rayk3400

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Well, as one of Newton's Laws of Motion explains, an object will continue to move in a strait line unless some external force acts upon it. How could any form of external force act upon existence itself? Newtons laws are as far as we know absolutly correct, that's why they are Laws, many scientists tried to disprove it, none successful.

To confusing. I'll stick to things that matter, like who would win between King Kong and Mr. T with a robo-suit.

This thread is too intelligent for me. *leaves*Quadrifoglio

Intelligence? on Gamespot :o I'd never imagine such a thing.

[QUOTE="Quadrifoglio"]This thread is too intelligent for me. *leaves*blooddemon666

Intelligence? on Gamespot :o I'd never imagine such a thing.

lol, too many people spend their time in System Wars :P

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"][QUOTE="--Anna--"][QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]The universe has always existed.--Anna--

Thats already disproven, no offence. "The Big Bang" is what they call it, the universe is expanding, cosmic backround, etc...

Well, as one of Newton's Laws of Motion explains, an object will continue to move in a strait line unless some external force acts upon it. How could any form of external force act upon existence itself? Newtons laws are as far as we know absolutly correct, that's why they are Laws, many scientists tried to disprove it, none successful.

Your saying, in the universe, an object won't move in a stright line unless another force acted upon it? I'm pretty sure that law is still correct. For instance take the earth's orbit, many think it is almost a circle, but what really happens is the Earth is moveing in a stright line passed the sun, it falls into the sun's gravitational pull, and therefore is pulled in different directions, in a way the sun launched the earth into space, into a stright line, but then the earth is pulled back again because of an external force ( the sun's gravity). If thats wrong, other than spellng and grammer lol, let me know because im intrested, that is how I learned it.

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[QUOTE="kruesader"]In before Lol Wut pear.K-E316

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