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depends on what kinds. We don't really need social conservatives. Lonelynight
That could be turned around. It could be said that we do not need social liberals.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I'm Greedy.Laihendi
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We know.
I wonder if you are intellectually capable of grasping my ideas, and of forming a meaningful response. I am guessing not.Everyone grasps your ideas alright. It's just that your ideas are so asinine that ridicule is pretty much the only appropriate response at this point.
things are great the way they are!! Social progress is evil!!Yeah we can and should live without social conservatism. Such a toxic and disgusting ideology.
Aljosa23
Ideally, political discourse would be based on rationally examining things on a case-by-case basis and figuring out which ones are beneficial and which ones are not. In reality, what we have is groups of people using general axioms (in the case of liberals, what is the status quo is bad, and and in the case of conservatives, what is the status quo is good) to decide since people can't possible figure out each and every single policy decision by themselves.
Liberals can and can be wrong on things, like the idea that strengthening trade unions makes workers better off overall (this only works in cases where labour markets are imperfect, which is not the case in most nations) or passing restrictions on random parts of guns in an attempt to reduce the crime rate. So yes, we need conservatives, even if they have proven to be utterly terrible at certain important aspects of government, because allowing any political idealogy to run roughshod over all decision-making processes will definitely not get you an optimal result.
Thread title sounds like a wet dream for many on OT. Should be entertaining as more posts accumulate.
I think we can live without the conservatives (and liberals) who want to enforce their ideas on everyone else using the federal government. Â
hoola
:| Â Every one wants their policies enforced.. It is why we vote for representatives with messages we agree with.. Â That being said I would be fine if extremes from both sides would disappear.. The problem with this is atm the conservative side has been taken over by the extreme edges of that spectrum atm...Â
[QUOTE="hoola"]
I think we can live without the conservatives (and liberals) who want to enforce their ideas on everyone else using the federal government. Â
sSubZerOo
:| Â Every one wants their policies enforced.. It is why we vote for representatives with messages we agree with.. Â That being said I would be fine if extremes from both sides would disappear.. The problem with this is atm the conservative side has been taken over by the extreme edges of that spectrum atm...Â
that's funny. you're one of the more extreme members of Liberal leaning.
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[QUOTE="hoola"]
I think we can live without the conservatives (and liberals) who want to enforce their ideas on everyone else using the federal government. Â
moneymatterz
:| Â Every one wants their policies enforced.. It is why we vote for representatives with messages we agree with.. Â That being said I would be fine if extremes from both sides would disappear.. The problem with this is atm the conservative side has been taken over by the extreme edges of that spectrum atm...Â
that's funny. you're one of the more extreme members of Liberal leaning.
  Well yeah it woudl appear that way to some one like you.  I hope your still thanking Jesus every day that Obama won.
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yusuke420
 Uh the war on drugs have been supported by both sides..Â
A lot of the objections from conservatives over gay marriage and abortion stem from religious and moral stances.Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yusuke420
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
:| Â Every one wants their policies enforced.. It is why we vote for representatives with messages we agree with.. Â That being said I would be fine if extremes from both sides would disappear.. The problem with this is atm the conservative side has been taken over by the extreme edges of that spectrum atm...Â
sSubZerOo
that's funny. you're one of the more extreme members of Liberal leaning.
  Well yeah it woudl appear that way to some one like you.
Nope, even against other Libs on this board, you stand out as an extremist.Â
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yusuke420
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
sSubZerOo
 Uh the war on drugs have been supported by both sides..Â
You must still think democrates are progressives, how cute :P. If it was up to me right now Gary Johnson would be POTUS.[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
moneymatterz
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
........ Â Ah yes, so where does pregenacy caused by rape fit in your social contract?
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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
sSubZerOo
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
........ Â Ah yes, so where does pregenacy caused by rape fit in your social contract?
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
moneymatterz
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
Abortion is the last resort, not the rule! It's not like people want to have abortions as sometype of designer fad. In most cases a child would be born into a unstable household or thrown into our very flawed adoption system. It should be left up to the individual to decide what they do with the result of their sexual activities, You say it enforces personal responsibilty, but not really. They could just leave the baby at a fire station without any consequences.Â[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
moneymatterz
........ Â Ah yes, so where does pregenacy caused by rape fit in your social contract?
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yusuke420
 Uh the war on drugs have been supported by both sides..Â
You must still think democrates are progressives, how cute :P. If it was up to me right now Gary Johnson would be POTUS. They're not. There is a progressive wing/caucus to the Democratic Party. The War on Drugs will continue to be a bottomless pit that we dump taxpayer and borrowed money into. Politicians are too concerned over the loss of political capital to attempt to offer serious suggestions to remedy this portion of our fiscal nightmare.[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Yes, that way I can finally smoke pot in peace. Also we wouldn't have to deal with "controversy" like gay marriage and abortion. I have a quesion for the conservatives, why? What do you gain my fighting things like gay marriage and abortion? Those choices should be left up to the individuals and for some reason that clashes with conservatives (who talk about states rights all the time).
Yusuke420
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
Abortion is the last resort, not the rule! It's not like people want to have abortions as sometype of designer fad. In most cases a child would be born into a unstable household or thrown into our very flawed adoption system. It should be left up to the individual to decide what they do with the result of their sexual activities, You say it enforces personal responsibilty, but not really. They could just leave the baby at a fire station without any consequences.ÂNope, too bad. I'd rather give all pukes a chance to live. If they turn out to be foul beings then we'd eradicate them through the dealth penalty. And yep...personal responsibility would be enforced in that it'll change the behavior of the parent(s) from that point on.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
........ Â Ah yes, so where does pregenacy caused by rape fit in your social contract?
sSubZerOo
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
moneymatterz
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
Don't like that the kid is now becoming an object of politics[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
moneymatterz
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
What you're saying is more disgusting then a woman asking for an abortion because she was simply being a whore...[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
moneymatterz
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
Goddamn, you're starting to make Laihendi look intelligent.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
moneymatterz
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
 The hell?  This is some fvcked up logic.. First you make it sound like rape isn't illegal to begin with, then you act like THIS is the most pressing concern why rape should be illegal.. Because might bring a person to life that doesn't meet your standards.. Not because its a violent act that invades a person's privacy and assaults them against their will scarring them for life.. Wtf is wrong with you?  And you call me extreme?
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
Jebus213
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
What you're saying is more disgusting then a woman asking for an abortion because she was simply being a whore...What's disgusting? My last few posts can be summed up as .....We should ban abortion because:
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
 And your willing to pay the mother of this child for the treatment not just from the child but the trauma from the act as well as the birth?
sSubZerOo
Absolutely. It's like a backdoor way of increasing taxes (by taking a gamble that rape baby will earn tons). And if rape baby doesn't earn a lot then we can use the story of their traumatic childhood to ban rape or fluff out some other propoganda piece.
 The hell?  This is some fvcked up logic.. First you make it sound like rape isn't illegal to begin with, then you act like THIS is the most pressing concern why rape should be illegal.. Because might bring a person to life that doesn't meet your standards.. Not because its a violent act that invades a person's privacy and assaults them against their will scarring them for life.. Wtf is wrong with you?  And you call me extreme?
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I'm talking about why we should outlaw abortions...
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[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]
By being against abortion, it allows people like you to have a chance at life despite whether or not you deserve it. It also reinforces personal responsibility and therefore the social contract. Seems pretty logical.
moneymatterz
........ Â Ah yes, so where does pregenacy caused by rape fit in your social contract?
rape baby might become a high income taxpayer one day. or they can serve as posterchild of some future propoganda piece.
Rofl. This is a "christian," people.Please Log In to post.
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