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#1 Juggernaut140
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Topic ^

I'm definitely able to. In fact, Arghoslent is pretty much my favorite band despite the subject of their music.

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#2 cd_rom
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I don't normally listen to lyrics anyway.
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#3 chessmaster1989
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Yeah, I do.
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#4 Neon-Tiger
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Most of the times, yes.
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#5 67gt500
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No, but I find that I can enjoy lyrics with music I strongly disagree with...
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#6 Nerd_Man
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I can, and have.

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#7 DivergeUnify
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yep
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#8 eXdout
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Yes, example is Rise Against.

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#9 -Jombo-
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Only if its like a really good song, then yes.
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#10 Darth_Tyrev
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Sure, there are quite a few religious songs I listen to.

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#11 Theokhoth
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Nope. It ruins it for me.

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#12 deactivated-6016f2513d412
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Yes. I like a select few rap songs with lyrics that I either can't relate to or can't agree with...and I used to listen to a lot of metal back in junior high, and I rarely agreed with the lyrics in those songs. I'm more worried about the actual music in a song, so I can easily forget about what the lyrics are saying and just enjoy the song.
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Usually lyrics dont bother me, unless its Christian or those nazi/White Power bands simply because its not meant for me, especially NS Black Metal.

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#14 Juggernaut140
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Usually lyrics dont bother me, unless its Christian or those nazi/White Power bands simply because its not meant for me, especially NS Black Metal.

All Humans are equally worthless! :twisted:

tzar3
No one can hate Arghoslent! :o
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#15 ramboturd72
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I haven't really actually strongly disagreed with lyrics. However, once I listened to the lyrics of Saving Abel's Addicted more closely, I lost a little respect for the song. But its certainly possible for me to listen to music when I don't necessarily like the lyrics.

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I can enjoy the occasional song in it's own right, but I can't be a fan of the band that made it.I can't support music that has any positive message regarding theistic dogmas.

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#17 tzar3
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

Usually lyrics dont bother me, unless its Christian or those nazi/White Power bands simply because its not meant for me, especially NS Black Metal.

All Humans are equally worthless! :twisted:

Juggernaut140

No one can hate Arghoslent! :o

Tell me more of this band and I'll change my mind...

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there aren't really any lyrics i strongly disagree with. i think rap lyrics are stupid, but i don't listen to it anyway, because it's rap. there aren't really too many rock songs with lyrics i disagree with and i listen to them.
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As long as I like the song I don't care what the lyrics say.

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#20 Juggernaut140
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

Usually lyrics dont bother me, unless its Christian or those nazi/White Power bands simply because its not meant for me, especially NS Black Metal.

All Humans are equally worthless! :twisted:

tzar3

No one can hate Arghoslent! :o

Tell me more of this band and I'll change my mind...

BAM!

Try that

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#21 KLAX42
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Sure can. I do so a whole lot, actually.

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#22 Oblivionfan10
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Yeah, its not about the lyrics, its about the music.
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#23 luke1889
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Yes. I have some Christian music. :o

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#24 BuryMe
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Sure.

My favourite song is Smooth Criminal. it has lyrics about a woman getting attacked. I believe it's wrong to attack women, but I like the song anyway.

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#25 cukoo
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The answer would be No. If I hear a song that's saying that cop killing is ok then I'm going to turn it off. If I hear a song that goes against morals and basic life principals then I'm going to turn it off. If I hear a song that curses God or is anti-religious then I'm going to turn it off. If you can listen to any song that you supposedly say you disagree with you really don't disagree with the song and you're embracing the message behind the song.

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The answer would be No. If I hear a song that's saying that cop killing is ok then I'm going to turn it off. If I hear a song that goes against morals and basic life principals then I'm going to turn it off. If I hear a song that curses God or is anti-religious then I'm going to turn it off. If you can listen to any song that you supposedly say you disagree with you really don't disagree with the song and you're embracing the message behind the song.

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Meh, I can't agree really. There are many reasons other than lyrics to enjoy a certain type of music. I don't enjoy Rage Against the Machine's very leftish politics, but I can't deny that their riffs are catchy and their guitar effects are pretty neat. Half the time, I tune out the lyrics. Ultimately, I'm buying music for music, i'm not buying a book so i'm not buying it for its message: i'm being it for its musical quality. If the ONLY thing music offered was the message behind its lyrics, I'd be in agreement with you...unfortunately, that's far from the case.
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#27 Nifty_Shark
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Absolutely. I can even deal with the actual band members being dicks too.

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#28 Avistann
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I can. I am not really anti-government or very religious but I listen to some anti-government bands and religious bands.
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#29 Paladin_King
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Absolutely. I can even deal with the actual band members being dicks too.

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Honestly, I think that's an interesting issue as well. I've got a couple cds where the main songwriter ended up killing someone or being involved in killing someone (Burzum, Dissection). I've never really seen the music of the artists as ever being in line with/promoting their motivations for the murders they committed, but on the other hand, the music certainly does provide an interesting look into the psychology of someone who would end up doing such an act. It's kinda like Nirvana, I suppose. You listen to it, and while I don't think it's right to go into it thinking "this music is promoting suicide," it's interesting to be able to peer into the psyche of someone who suffered from the personal issues that Cobain did. Then you find out about other bands where the pedophilia of certain members is revealed long after the music came out (Static-X, Decrepit Birth).....I'll admit that that gets a little awkward.
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#30 thepwninator
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Yes. If I paid any attention to lyrics, I wouldn't be listening to Slayer.
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I can't stand christian music. The lyrics just make me annoyed.
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#32 quiglythegreat
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Yeah, I mean, generally if it's too much, the person's going to make music I don't like is the thing. Angry people, for instance, tend to make not as good music, and anger is an attitude that I don't like. So I think that truth is a very satisfying thing in music, but that relates more to positive attitudes than to factual agreements with the artist.
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#33 thepwninator
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I can't stand christian music. The lyrics just make me annoyed. -Sniper99-
I simply tend to hate the vocals, which are almost universally either punk-ish or alt-rock-ish. I tend to dislike both styIes rather significantly.
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#34 aliblabla2007
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Yeah. Especially if I can't make out the vocals.

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#35 Avistann
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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

Absolutely. I can even deal with the actual band members being dicks too.

Paladin_King
Honestly, I think that's an interesting issue as well. I've got a couple cds where the main songwriter ended up killing someone or being involved in killing someone (Burzum, Dissection). I've never really seen the music of the artists as ever being in line with/promoting their motivations for the murders they committed, but on the other hand, the music certainly does provide an interesting look into the psychology of someone who would end up doing such an act. It's kinda like Nirvana, I suppose. You listen to it, and while I don't think it's right to go into it thinking "this music is promoting suicide," it's interesting to be able to peer into the psyche of someone who suffered from the personal issues that Cobain did. Then you find out about other bands where the pedophilia of certain members is revealed long after the music came out (Static-X, Decrepit Birth).....I'll admit that that gets a little awkward.

I have been having this struggle with one of my favorite bands. The singer has been ignorant, lazy, and in jail for drug use and assault. He was also witness to a murder. He has been kicked out of the band but now he is working on a new band. At first I refused to listen to him because he was one of my idols and just kind of let me down a bit. Now I am starting to listen to his new stuff and I am liking it. I will support his music but I never will ever really truly like him as my idol again.
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#36 GabuEx
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I don't see why not, provided it's not something like that Prussian Blue group. I've listened to songs by both Rage Against the Machine andRush; if I cared about the precise message behind their lyrics, I'd be awfully conflicted. :P

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#37 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="Avistann"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

Absolutely. I can even deal with the actual band members being dicks too.

Honestly, I think that's an interesting issue as well. I've got a couple cds where the main songwriter ended up killing someone or being involved in killing someone (Burzum, Dissection). I've never really seen the music of the artists as ever being in line with/promoting their motivations for the murders they committed, but on the other hand, the music certainly does provide an interesting look into the psychology of someone who would end up doing such an act. It's kinda like Nirvana, I suppose. You listen to it, and while I don't think it's right to go into it thinking "this music is promoting suicide," it's interesting to be able to peer into the psyche of someone who suffered from the personal issues that Cobain did. Then you find out about other bands where the pedophilia of certain members is revealed long after the music came out (Static-X, Decrepit Birth).....I'll admit that that gets a little awkward.

I have been having this struggle with one of my favorite bands. The singer has been ignorant, lazy, and in jail for drug use and assault. He was also witness to a murder. He has been kicked out of the band but now he is working on a new band. At first I refused to listen to him because he was one of my idols and just kind of let me down a bit. Now I am starting to listen to his new stuff and I am liking it. I will support his music but I never will ever really truly like him as my idol again.

It's definitely hard to separate an artist's real life deeds from his music, for sure. The lead singer/guitarist for a black metal band I like, Dissection, was involved in a murder with rather nasty/hateful motivations. Those themes don't really come through in his music or lyrics (which, granted, are pretty Satanic), but some days, I can't help but get a little squeamish...while on other days, the thought won't even cross my mind. I've mostly had the opposite experience from you though...there's been a couple bands (Lacuna Coil, In Flames, High on Fire, Arch Enemy) where I met the band, and they were such great people, that I couldn't help but like their music a little bit more. There was also one case where a band I just couldn't stand (Bleeding Through) actually became harder for me to hate, and a little more listenable, just because I met/chatted with a couple members of the band, and they were such cool/nice guys (well, guy and girl) that I couldn't really bring myself to hate their stuff or badmouth their work.
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#38 MarioRPGer
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I focus more on the music when Im listening to songs but most rap I dont relate to but still love.

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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

Absolutely. I can even deal with the actual band members being dicks too.

Paladin_King
Honestly, I think that's an interesting issue as well. I've got a couple cds where the main songwriter ended up killing someone or being involved in killing someone (Burzum, Dissection). I've never really seen the music of the artists as ever being in line with/promoting their motivations for the murders they committed, but on the other hand, the music certainly does provide an interesting look into the psychology of someone who would end up doing such an act. It's kinda like Nirvana, I suppose. You listen to it, and while I don't think it's right to go into it thinking "this music is promoting suicide," it's interesting to be able to peer into the psyche of someone who suffered from the personal issues that Cobain did. Then you find out about other bands where the pedophilia of certain members is revealed long after the music came out (Static-X, Decrepit Birth).....I'll admit that that gets a little awkward.

That is a very interesting point. Myself, I try not to support bands that have jerk members, or have done controversial things (Mayhem, Burzum).
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[QUOTE="Avistann"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"] Honestly, I think that's an interesting issue as well. I've got a couple cds where the main songwriter ended up killing someone or being involved in killing someone (Burzum, Dissection). I've never really seen the music of the artists as ever being in line with/promoting their motivations for the murders they committed, but on the other hand, the music certainly does provide an interesting look into the psychology of someone who would end up doing such an act. It's kinda like Nirvana, I suppose. You listen to it, and while I don't think it's right to go into it thinking "this music is promoting suicide," it's interesting to be able to peer into the psyche of someone who suffered from the personal issues that Cobain did. Then you find out about other bands where the pedophilia of certain members is revealed long after the music came out (Static-X, Decrepit Birth).....I'll admit that that gets a little awkward.Paladin_King
I have been having this struggle with one of my favorite bands. The singer has been ignorant, lazy, and in jail for drug use and assault. He was also witness to a murder. He has been kicked out of the band but now he is working on a new band. At first I refused to listen to him because he was one of my idols and just kind of let me down a bit. Now I am starting to listen to his new stuff and I am liking it. I will support his music but I never will ever really truly like him as my idol again.

It's definitely hard to separate an artist's real life deeds from his music, for sure. The lead singer/guitarist for a black metal band I like, Dissection, was involved in a murder with rather nasty/hateful motivations. Those themes don't really come through in his music or lyrics (which, granted, are pretty Satanic), but some days, I can't help but get a little squeamish...while on other days, the thought won't even cross my mind. I've mostly had the opposite experience from you though...there's been a couple bands (Lacuna Coil, In Flames, High on Fire, Arch Enemy) where I met the band, and they were such great people, that I couldn't help but like their music a little bit more. There was also one case where a band I just couldn't stand (Bleeding Through) actually became harder for me to hate, and a little more listenable, just because I met/chatted with a couple members of the band, and they were such cool/nice guys (well, guy and girl) that I couldn't really bring myself to hate their stuff or badmouth their work.

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[QUOTE="Paladin_King"] It's definitely hard to separate an artist's real life deeds from his music, for sure. The lead singer/guitarist for a black metal band I like, Dissection, was involved in a murder with rather nasty/hateful motivations. Those themes don't really come through in his music or lyrics (which, granted, are pretty Satanic), but some days, I can't help but get a little squeamish...while on other days, the thought won't even cross my mind. I've mostly had the opposite experience from you though...there's been a couple bands (Lacuna Coil, In Flames, High on Fire, Arch Enemy) where I met the band, and they were such great people, that I couldn't help but like their music a little bit more. There was also one case where a band I just couldn't stand (Bleeding Through) actually became harder for me to hate, and a little more listenable, just because I met/chatted with a couple members of the band, and they were such cool/nice guys (well, guy and girl) that I couldn't really bring myself to hate their stuff or badmouth their work.

I love when bands are chill people. I give them much higher respect. The new singer who replaced the old one is actually a really nice and chill guy. It allowed me to make him my new idol and restored the respect to even higher levels for that band now. I am not a fan of bleeding through as well :P but that is cool that they are really nice.
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I dont know about enjoying lyrics you disagree with but I often like songs I find the lyrics offensive too. It's the melody/music I fancy. Not the drivel which is coming from the artists (if you can call them that!) mouth.
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#43 Serraph105
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I like a lot of Godsmack and I disagree with many bits of their songs. There are others besides that but I'm lazy and dont want to type them all

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#44 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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Sure can. I like metal, and a lot of metal has pagan, satanic, or anti-christianity subject matters.

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#45 Solid_Link22
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nope because the music I listen to alwayshas some type of romantic connection

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there aren't really any lyrics i strongly disagree with. i think rap lyrics are stupid, but i don't listen to it anyway, because it's rap. there aren't really too many rock songs with lyrics i disagree with and i listen to them. shoeman12

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#47 freek666
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Refused and The (International) Noise Conspiracy sing about Communism. I dont like Communism. But they make awesome music. So yes.

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#48 Solid_Link22
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[QUOTE="shoeman12"]there aren't really any lyrics i strongly disagree with. i think rap lyrics are stupid, but i don't listen to it anyway, because it's rap. there aren't really too many rock songs with lyrics i disagree with and i listen to them. Ace_WondersX

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agreed. he just found another excuse to hate rap. sad really.

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I never cared about lyrics in music.
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#50 gasmaskman
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It doesn't matter at all.