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#1 pyr0_d3th
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is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a time machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

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is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

pyr0_d3th

Ask again when you have a time machine, I'll then be more inclined to create a hypothesis...

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It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.
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#4 double_decker
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Ask again when you have a time machine

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Doesn't everyone have one of those now days?
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is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

pyr0_d3th

Here is the funny thing about time machines. Scientists are actually attempting to make a time machine using a high intensity laser to create a small black hole in a box. Now the idea is that if they can make the hole big enough, then they can enter into it and hopefully send something back in time. BUT... you cannot go any further back in time than when the time machine was created.

So if they make a time machine work, and they wait a week to enter the black hole. They can only go as far back as a week, to when the machine opened the hole. Make sense? Because when you enter into a blackhole, hypothetically speaking, you come out the other end to when it was opened.

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#6 inyourface_12
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well if i had a deadly TOME i prolly could
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I will be divided by zero.
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It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm
im totaly going to do that lol

but first i need a time machine......

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It doesn't have to work out that way... that could just lead to another dimension/time line where the young you never existed. Experiments is the only way to know for sure.
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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.pyr0_d3th

im totaly going to do that lol

but first i need a time machine......

Time travel is impossible.

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.pyr0_d3th

im totaly going to do that lol

but first i need a time machine......

Time travel is impossible.

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#12 Darth_Tyrev
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No, because if you succeeded, then you'd be dead, and therefore could not travel back in time.
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Read my post ^
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[QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm

im totaly going to do that lol

but first i need a time machine......

Time travel is impossible.

Going forward isn't.

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#16 mattyftm
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Read my post ^ Rum_Monkey

Yeah, but if time travel is possible, do you not think we'd have had some time traveling visitors visiting us at some point in recorded history?

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It seems extremely impossbile for a human to pull this off. I find it interesting, though...
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#18 i-like-pie
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What if you travel at a mach99999999999999999999999. It is so fast. Time will slow down. 1 minute will be 100 years.
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It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

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[QUOTE="Rum_Monkey"]Read my post ^ mattyftm

Yeah, but if time travel is possible, do you not think we'd have had some time traveling visitors visiting us at some point in recorded history?

maby time traviling is a very strict thing were only a select few can go and that select few goes "undercover" so no one knows.
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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.Slump3317

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

How do you suppose we separate matter and antimatter?

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I suppose it depends on the means of which you attempted to kill yourself. I don't think it would end well if you got into a fist-fight with yourself though.
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[QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

Rum_Monkey

Here is the funny thing about time machines. Scientists are actually attempting to make a time machine using a high intensity laser to create a small black hole in a box. Now the idea is that if they can make the hole big enough, then they can enter into it and hopefully send something back in time. BUT... you cannot go any further back in time than when the time machine was created.

So if they make a time machine work, and they wait a week to enter the black hole. They can only go as far back as a week, to when the machine opened the hole. Make sense? Because when you enter into a blackhole, hypothetically speaking, you come out the other end to when it was opened.

What scientists are these?
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Hmm you'd either be returned alive up until the point you killed your self alive, destroy the universe or be a parallel universe of your own.
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Hmm you'd either be returned alive up until the point you killed your self alive, destroy the universe or be a parallel universe of your own.proud722
i totaly want to be in my own universe that would be sweet
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[QUOTE="Rum_Monkey"][QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

xaos

Here is the funny thing about time machines. Scientists are actually attempting to make a time machine using a high intensity laser to create a small black hole in a box. Now the idea is that if they can make the hole big enough, then they can enter into it and hopefully send something back in time. BUT... you cannot go any further back in time than when the time machine was created.

So if they make a time machine work, and they wait a week to enter the black hole. They can only go as far back as a week, to when the machine opened the hole. Make sense? Because when you enter into a blackhole, hypothetically speaking, you come out the other end to when it was opened.

What scientists are these?

They are some crazy swede's I think, If he is talking about the same ones I've heard of. Personaly I think they're insane making a black whole. ITS A BLACK HOLE FOR GODS SAKE!!! THEY CONSUME EVERYTHING AND WILL KILL US ALL!!!!!

It seems to me alot like the first atom bomb. When they set of the first nuclear bomb, they didn't know if it was going to vaporise the atmosphere and kill all life on earth, but they decided to do it anyway to see what happened.

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[QUOTE="Slump3317"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

How do you suppose we separate matter and antimatter?

Eh, its over my head, I just saw some physicists talking on that show, "The Universe," theorizing on new ways to travel though space. I'm pretty sure they said they had some sort of "diabolic mechanism" that could make antimatter but they said it would cost trillions of dollars just to make a teaspoon (an amount needed to get us to Mars in a few seconds) of it which would probably bankrupt the country. But heck, if you're going to destroy the universe who cares.

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is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

pyr0_d3th

wtf is a tome machine?

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Rum_Monkey"][QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

mattyftm

Here is the funny thing about time machines. Scientists are actually attempting to make a time machine using a high intensity laser to create a small black hole in a box. Now the idea is that if they can make the hole big enough, then they can enter into it and hopefully send something back in time. BUT... you cannot go any further back in time than when the time machine was created.

So if they make a time machine work, and they wait a week to enter the black hole. They can only go as far back as a week, to when the machine opened the hole. Make sense? Because when you enter into a blackhole, hypothetically speaking, you come out the other end to when it was opened.

What scientists are these?

They are some crazy swede's I think, If he is talking about the same ones I've heard of. Personaly I think they're insane making a black whole. ITS A BLACK HOLE FOR GODS SAKE!!! THEY CONSUME EVERYTHING AND WILL KILL US ALL!!!!!

It seems to me alot like the first atom bomb. When they set of the first nuclear bomb, they didn't know if it was going to vaporise the atmosphere and kill all life on earth, but they decided to do it anyway to see what happened.

were definently going to cause are own instinction
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[QUOTE="Rum_Monkey"][QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

xaos

Here is the funny thing about time machines. Scientists are actually attempting to make a time machine using a high intensity laser to create a small black hole in a box. Now the idea is that if they can make the hole big enough, then they can enter into it and hopefully send something back in time. BUT... you cannot go any further back in time than when the time machine was created.

So if they make a time machine work, and they wait a week to enter the black hole. They can only go as far back as a week, to when the machine opened the hole. Make sense? Because when you enter into a blackhole, hypothetically speaking, you come out the other end to when it was opened.

What scientists are these?

I forget, he's a black guy... I saw it on that show called The Universe, on the Discovery channel.

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wtf is a tome machine?Ravirr

It's a machine... presented as a gift... but not toyou... tome.

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#32 pyr0_d3th
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[QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a tome machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

Ravirr

wtf is a tome machine?

sorry typo
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is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a time machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

pyr0_d3th

Excuse me, i hate to be blunt, but.. HOW THE **** WOULD WE KNOW? lol..

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Read my post ^ Rum_Monkey

i read your post, and i can kind of understand it. in the articles on the same subject it implies that time travel doesnt work like what we see in entertainment (Terminator: space/time warping into some random place, prior to the machines existence). I picture the time machine functioning like a Door. In order make passage Through Time, you must go through this Door. so in the experiment the machine must be completed and Door A must be opened. A week later Door B is created to pass through Door A. well thats how i grasped the situation. as space and time is connected its not impossible for time travel i guess.

its a weird world we live in.

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[QUOTE="proud722"]Hmm you'd either be returned alive up until the point you killed your self alive, destroy the universe or be a parallel universe of your own.pyr0_d3th
i totaly want to be in my own universe that would be sweet

Well its just a theory but it would be pretty sweet but when I say universe you dont control a larger amount of space just that the space you do control follows a different set of rules and has a pretty ****** up timeline. But time is just a man made concept and it certainly seems impossible to have a time machine because for the past the only way that would be possible is if all previous conditions were there which is definetly impossible and for the future assuming were in the present you cant move into something that hasn't yet happened and also for the concept of a time machine to work you'd have to assume that time at first is a fixed line which then branches of (each line representing a parallel universe).

You know I really don't know what I'm on about but in theory I think what I've just said is right :P

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Slump3317"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.Slump3317

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

How do you suppose we separate matter and antimatter?

Eh, its over my head, I just saw some physicists talking on that show, "The Universe," theorizing on new ways to travel though space. I'm pretty sure they said they had some sort of "diabolic mechanism" that could make antimatter but they said it would cost trillions of dollars just to make a teaspoon (an amount needed to get us to Mars in a few seconds) of it which would probably bankrupt the country. But heck, if you're going to destroy the universe who cares.

Well theoreticly, antimatter is all around us, but existing in a parralel universe. An "antiverse" if you want to call it that, but the universes cross over and stuf and crap like that. Antimatter has a negative mass (which I don't see how it is possible to have negative mass). At least thats what I have heard. Its largely over my head too. Its not that I don't understand what they are saying, but it just doesn't fit into my logic.

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[QUOTE="pyr0_d3th"]

is it posibile to go back into time (if you had a time machine) and then kill your self?

if your dead at that time then you wernt alive at the time you whent back in time thearfor you could never kill your self

Montaya

Excuse me, i hate to be blunt, but.. HOW THE **** WOULD WE KNOW? lol..

just post what you think could hapen

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[QUOTE="Slump3317"][QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Slump3317"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

How do you suppose we separate matter and antimatter?

Eh, its over my head, I just saw some physicists talking on that show, "The Universe," theorizing on new ways to travel though space. I'm pretty sure they said they had some sort of "diabolic mechanism" that could make antimatter but they said it would cost trillions of dollars just to make a teaspoon (an amount needed to get us to Mars in a few seconds) of it which would probably bankrupt the country. But heck, if you're going to destroy the universe who cares.

Well theoreticly, antimatter is all around us, but existing in a parralel universe. An "antiverse" if you want to call it that, but the universes cross over and stuf and crap like that. Antimatter has a negative mass (which I don't see how it is possible to have negative mass). At least thats what I have heard. Its largely over my head too. Its not that I don't understand what they are saying, but it just doesn't fit into my logic.

Dude that show the universe tripped me out. How there are storms on other planets that have winds up to and EXCEEDING 2000 mph. When a star is forming and it dies out (before i can become a star/sun) it's still really hot, and it somehow creates a parallel planet next to it. Well when the dead star creates enough heat the condensation from the heat goes into the atmosphere and falls like rain.. but it's not water... it's liquid iron. Droplets of molten hot iron rain. Crazy son.

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Dude that show the universe tripped me out. How there are storms on other planets that have winds up to and EXCEEDING 2000 mph. When a star is forming and it dies out (before i can become a star/sun) it's still really hot, and it somehow creates a parallel planet next to it. Well when the dead star creates enough heat the condensation from the heat goes into the atmosphere and falls like rain.. but it's not water... it's liquid iron. Droplets of molten hot iron rain. Crazy son.

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Yeah, Physics is amazing, but when you get into the deep particle aspects of it is is incredibly hard to get your head around it. I can realy appreciate how amazingly smart people like steven hawking are.

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[QUOTE="Rum_Monkey"]Read my post ^ mattyftm

Yeah, but if time travel is possible, do you not think we'd have had some time traveling visitors visiting us at some point in recorded history?

No time machine has been invented, so they cant come this far back yet. Because you can only go as far back as to when the time machine was invented...Well, in theory.

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[QUOTE="Slump3317"][QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Slump3317"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]It causes a paradox and the whole space time continuum falls apart.mattyftm

Speaking of destroying the universe, I always thought it would be interesting to fill two dumb trucks, one with matter and the other with anti-matter and then just drive them into each other full speed. How trippy would that be?

How do you suppose we separate matter and antimatter?

Eh, its over my head, I just saw some physicists talking on that show, "The Universe," theorizing on new ways to travel though space. I'm pretty sure they said they had some sort of "diabolic mechanism" that could make antimatter but they said it would cost trillions of dollars just to make a teaspoon (an amount needed to get us to Mars in a few seconds) of it which would probably bankrupt the country. But heck, if you're going to destroy the universe who cares.

Well theoreticly, antimatter is all around us, but existing in a parralel universe. An "antiverse" if you want to call it that, but the universes cross over and stuf and crap like that. Antimatter has a negative mass (which I don't see how it is possible to have negative mass). At least thats what I have heard. Its largely over my head too. Its not that I don't understand what they are saying, but it just doesn't fit into my logic.

You have been given a lot of misinformation about antimatter. It exists in spacetime the same as all other matter, and simply has charge and spin reversed (I think there's another property that is reversed but can't remember what it is), but there is so far no indication of it responding any differently to gravity than "normal" matter. This has been extremely difficult to verify experimentally, just due to the difficulty of getting a quantity that can be measured, but properties like its momentum in collisions indicate that it seems to just have plain old mass. Antimatter is used in medical imaging (PET/positron emission tomography using positrons, which are the antiparticles of electrons). Edit: Some quick scanning of sources seems to indicate that antiparticles don't have inverse spins. This is not how I recall it, but I'll trust references over my old man memory.