Canada looking at criminalizing cyber-bullying

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Canada is looking to criminalize cyber-bullying, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Friday, after a pair of teenage suicides provoked by unrelenting online harassment.

"The Internet is in most ways a great development for our society," Harper said at a roundtable on ways to protect youth from cyber-bullying.

"Unfortunately, it has other purposes and other uses, and young people are extremely vulnerable."

In order to better protect children from online threats, Harper said Ottawa is "expediting a review of the Criminal Code... to identify potential gaps with regard to cyber-bullying, cyber-intimidation, cyber-assault."

At the round-table event in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Harper was joined by the parents of two teenage girls who recently committed suicide after years of cyber-bullying and whose stories have provoked outrage in Canada and abroad.

Rehtaeh Parsons, 17, died in hospital last month in the port city of Halifax, Nova Scotia, after a suicide attempt that her mother blames on an assault and subsequent barrage of taunts by schoolmates calling her a "slut."

Parsons was said to have been drunk at a party when she was raped by four boys. One of the suspects later posted a photo of the incident online.

In a similar tragedy, 6,000 kilometers (3,730 miles) away in British Columbia province, Amanda Todd, 15, committed suicide last October after being tormented by an anonymous cyberbully.

In a YouTube video watched by millions worldwide, Todd said she "cried every night" after a photo of her breasts, flashed in an online video chat with a stranger a few years earlier, was distributed in her community in British Columbia. "I have nobody. I need someone."

After several failed suicide attempts involving cutting herself and drinking bleach and then posting the YouTube video describing her sadness, Todd finally killed herself on October 10.

Police investigated both cases, but no charges were laid.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/canada-looking-at-criminalizing-cyber-bullying-pm-365523

Conflicted on this. I'm not sure how they'll enforce it and all of the cimes that are related to cyber-bullying are already illegal. Still, I'm glad that the government is looking into these cases rather than doing nothing.

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#3 heeweesRus
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What if someone in the US was cyberbullying someone from Canada or Vice versa?
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#4 Riverwolf007
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that ought to learn ya for laughing at star wars kid.

take that internet.

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#5 Pirate700
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Bullying is too broad of a term and is completely based on perception. I think a better step would be to not give people nude pics of yourself and stop taking what people say on the internet so seriously.

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#6 Bucked20
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Look get a gun and shoot yourself if you wanna commit suicide,who the hell drinks bleach
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Bullying is too broad of a term and is completely based on perception.Pirate700
I agree this sounds too vague
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Look get a gun and shoot yourself if you wanna commit suicide,who the hell drinks bleach Bucked20
Listening to your music would also work.
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Depends on how it will work, If i get charged for cyber bullying every person i game with ill end up broke really quick.
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wonder where we draw the line in cyber bullying, I hear cases of cyber bullying where death threats are used, I don't think you need a cyber bullying bill to take action on comments such as those, and in other cases involving social networks I can understand where slander might be enforceable as well without a the need for further laws if anything I think laws should be there to help law enforcement ascertain the identity of users, through cooperation of websites to get the users ISP, get the ISP to divulge the identity on the account, so a prosecution of individuals can take place or lawsuits filed an issue with such a law however is jurisdiction, for instance if a internet user in the US makes a comment that's legal in the US but illegal to make in Canada, and it was directed toward a Canadian user, how would one go about enforcing it, there'd need to be an international cyber-bullying treaty that makes clear conditions for extradition... and frankly, I just don't see that happening yet, at least on the end of the United States, we now consider any international treaty to be a commie plot to take away peoples' guns and stick them in FEMA death camps
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Bullying is too broad of a term and is completely based on perception. I think a better step would be to not give people nude pics of yourself and stop taking what people say on the internet so seriously.

Pirate700
This I don't know why anyone would give nudes; even if it's your wife/husband. Pictures like that can ruin your professional life.
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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Look get a gun and shoot yourself if you wanna commit suicide,who the hell drinks bleach heeweesRus
Listening to your music would also work.

Being around you would also do the trick
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="Bucked20"]Look get a gun and shoot yourself if you wanna commit suicide,who the hell drinks bleach Bucked20
Listening to your music would also work.

Being around you would also do the trick

That's cyber bullying. You're could be under internet arrest in Canada.

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Individual privacy is a complicated concept on the net. A right that is breached often and easily but one that is hard to protect due to the assumption of being anonymous while posting. Furthermore removing things from the net is practically impossible. In theory is quite easy to destroy someones life on the net without suffering from severe repercussions. A law like cyber-bullying may combat this problem.

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[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Listening to your music would also work.Pirate700

Being around you would also do the trick

That's cyber bullying. You're could be under internet arrest in Canada.

lol you're trying too hard. :P

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"] Being around you would also do the trick Aljosa23

That's cyber bullying. You're could be under internet arrest in Canada.

lol you're trying too hard. :P

Hey give me a break. I had to work today and I'm tired. :P

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People are too sensitive these days. Bullying only works when the person being bullied let's it affect them. I actually saw a commercial on TV today showing a "bully" doing the bully thing in an empty schoolyard and the narrator said: "This would look pretty silly in real life too, wouldn't it? Just walk away".
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Cyberbullying is a matter of perception. If you're stupid or unstable enough to be cyberbullied then you probably deserve it.

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People are too sensitive these days. Bullying only works when the person being bullied let's it affect them.Zeviander
I think this would be more towards children. I really hope adults don't actually take teasing around the water fountain at their 9-5 job seriously...
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I think this would be more towards children. I really hope adults don't actually take teasing around the water fountain at their 9-5 job seriously... Fightingfan
Children need to learn how to grow thicker skin somehow. If we start criminalizing bullying, then the next generation of adults will all be spineless wimps and expect the government to protect them from everything. If I were a conspiracy nutjob, I might just believe this is another step towards Big Brother.
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]People are too sensitive these days. Bullying only works when the person being bullied let's it affect them.Fightingfan
I think this would be more towards children. I really hope adults don't actually take teasing around the water fountain at their 9-5 job seriously...

Current adults, no. Don't be surprised though if in the next 10-15 years, the new generation of working adults are just as sensitive and emotionally feeble as some of today's kids.

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It's nice that they actually seem to care but as usual Harper is approaching this completely wrong.
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That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.
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That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.Laihendi
I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.Ace6301
I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.

Yeah I was just going to ask if Laihendi has ever spoken to someone with suicidal tendencies. We already know to disregard anything he says on poor people because of his lack of experience with them.

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Conflicted on this. I'm not sure how they'll enforce it and all of the cimes that are related to cyber-bullying are already illegal. Still, I'm glad that the government is looking into these cases rather than doing nothing.Aljosa23
That is exactly the wrong thing to think. It is better for the government to do nothing than to pass new laws that control the entire country without anyone even knowing whether the laws are good or bad. Good laws, regulations, decisions, etc. do not happen by chance. They are formed by deliberate actions made by a conscious and reasoning individual. If you cannot know that something will work, then it probably will not.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Conflicted on this. I'm not sure how they'll enforce it and all of the cimes that are related to cyber-bullying are already illegal. Still, I'm glad that the government is looking into these cases rather than doing nothing.Laihendi
That is exactly the wrong thing to think. It is better for the government to do nothing than to pass new laws that control the entire country without anyone even knowing whether the laws are good or bad. Good laws, regulations, decisions, etc. do not happen by chance. They are formed by deliberate actions made by a conscious and reasoning individual. If you cannot know that something will work, then it probably will not.

There is no law, they are just looking into it. Nothing has been done yet so relax.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.Aljosa23

I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.

Yeah I was just going to ask if Laihendi has ever spoken to someone with suicidal tendencies. We already know to disregard anything he says on poor people because of his lack of experience with them.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have many suicidal tendencies and I choose not to act on them because I am a rational man. I take responsibility for my own life, and when I decide to end it that will be solely my decision.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.Laihendi

Yeah I was just going to ask if Laihendi has ever spoken to someone with suicidal tendencies. We already know to disregard anything he says on poor people because of his lack of experience with them.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have many suicidal tendencies and I choose not to act on them because I am a rational man. I take responsibility for my own life, and when I decide to end it that will be solely my decision.

When, not if. Rough. You really should stop taking everything so seriously and lighten up a little.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I have many suicidal tendencies and I choose not to act on them because I am a rational man. I take responsibility for my own life, and when I decide to end it that will be solely my decision.Laihendi
Implying that your personal experiences speak for others.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.Ace6301
I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.

I do, and I refuse to allow others to fake reality in my presence. People always want to get out of responsibility for their own mistakes. I do not let them, because I refuse to see things other than as they are. A is A, and that axiom is the foundation that life necessarily depends on. If you try to shift responsibility for your failings onto someone else then you are trying to kill that person.
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People are too sensitive these days. Bullying only works when the person being bullied let's it affect them.Zeviander

But that's bullshit what you write.

I mean if someone physically abuses you, socially isolates you and makes you feel like shit then of course it will affect you, at least eventually.

And it's not really that bullied people should be less sensitive. It's actually exactly the opposite of what you write: People these days should be MORE sensitive in how they treat each other.

And it all starts with the environment at home. The way we raise our children and what we teach them is exactly what they will give back when they grow up.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is incredibly stupid. If someone commits suicide then it is his own fault. A person is responsible for his own actions and only his as long as there is no application of physical coercion. To blame a mentally unstable teenager's self-destructive behaviour on someone else will only allow and encourage more of that behaviour. If you show your breasts to strangers on the internet and then kill yourself when you realize that people are seeing your breasts then you are an idiot.Laihendi
I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.

I do, and I refuse to allow others to fake reality in my presence. People always want to get out of responsibility for their own mistakes. I do not let them, because I refuse to see things other than as they are. A is A, and that axiom is the foundation that life necessarily depends on. If you try to shift responsibility for your failings onto someone else then you are trying to kill that person.

An unfortunate situation arises when the A you think is A is in fact not A. In other words you refuse to see things other than how you see things rather than seeing things for how they are.
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Bullying is too broad of a term and is completely based on perception. I think a better step would be to not give people nude pics of yourself and stop taking what people say on the internet so seriously.

Pirate700



This.

Also does the block/delete function not exist in Canada? 

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I think I speak for everyone when I ask if you've ever interacted with other human beings.Laihendi
I do, and I refuse to allow others to fake reality in my presence. People always want to get out of responsibility for their own mistakes. I do not let them, because I refuse to see things other than as they are. A is A, and that axiom is the foundation that life necessarily depends on. If you try to shift responsibility for your failings onto someone else then you are trying to kill that person.

If you force all responsibility into that person, you're killing that person too. Goes both ways.

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Funny how bullying wasn't a huge problem fourty years ago, and then it was probably much worse. 

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Funny how bullying wasn't a huge problem fourty years ago, and then it was probably much worse. 

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Why would bullying be worse 40 years ago? There are far more spoiled brats with no respect for anything these days.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Laihendi
That is exactly the wrong thing to think. It is better for the government to do nothing than to pass new laws that control the entire country without anyone even knowing whether the laws are good or bad. Good laws, regulations, decisions, etc. do not happen by chance. They are formed by deliberate actions made by a conscious and reasoning government. If you cannot know that something will work, then it probably will not.

fixed.

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Bullying is too broad of a term and is completely based on perception. I think a better step would be to not give people nude pics of yourself and stop taking what people say on the internet so seriously.

Correct

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]People are too sensitive these days. Bullying only works when the person being bullied let's it affect them.Pirate700

I think this would be more towards children. I really hope adults don't actually take teasing around the water fountain at their 9-5 job seriously...

Current adults, no. Don't be surprised though if in the next 10-15 years, the new generation of working adults are just as sensitive and emotionally feeble as some of today's kids.

I'm pretty sure we are already there.
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Dang, i'm from canada. Guess i'll be gone soon
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Look get a gun and shoot yourself if you wanna commit suicide,who the hell drinks bleach Bucked20

Because a 15 year old living in Canada will easily have access to a gun... right? Dumbass....

OT: More silly laws to waste money on.Â