Canadian Internet: Its really made of crap.

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You know, I've always enjoyed being Canadian. Sure our weather is craptacular and some things can be a tad expensive, but all in all, its a decent country. We do have "Corner Gas" after all. That is, if you exclude the sorry affair that is the Internet here in Canada. Just to give an idea of just how much we suck here, our Broadband growth is rated 29th out of 30th while our cost vs speed is ranked 27th out of 30th. Meaning that we are paying a crapload of money for really slow speeds(relative of course to the rest of the world). This is largely because of two Draconian companies otherwise known as Bell and Rogers, who control phonelines and cable respectively. But right now, i feel compelled to focus on Bell since they've just been allowed to pull off a big giant jerk move against third party Internet Service Providers.

Bell internet is pretty bloody expensive. It really is. And alot of poor sods(I feel your pain I really do) don't have a choice, either because nobody else can offer in there area or there bound by some terrible contract. Just to illustrate how expensive it is: They offer a 3MBPS service with only 60 GB bandwidth(I"m damn sure at this point its gone significantly lower) for a ridiculous 34.95 per month(at its lowest price) and then up you to 50 bucks a month after a year. Sometimes there may be unexpected increases in charges and they don't have the decency to tell you about it and in some of the worse case scenarios will renew your contract without telling you. Back in the day, Bell used to be better. They did at least have the decency to offer unlimited bandwidth services at one point, but now they don't offer it anymore and have upped the price tag for internet. I'm not the only one pissed off here, i'm damn sure that alot of my fellow Canadians on this board who have had an extremely terrible experience with Bell Internet services(sattelite TV and phone even i'm sure).

Now here is where it gets all the more irksome. Bell is really huge. Like Monopoly huge. Its to the point where it has such a vast influence on the government. Case in point:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/13/bell.threatens.can.govt/

I think some context is needed. In order for third party DSL companies to compete, they need to rent the lines from Bell Canada who by law, is required to sell them those lines in the first place. Its about $20 for each line, which is ludicrously high considering that most third party DSL ISPs usually sell thier lines to customers for 30 bucks. Unfortunately, Bell has a level of control over these lines. For instance, the smaller ISPs using Bells lines can't have services above 5mbps. In another instance the CRTC recently has allowed them to throttle their lines without there permission. In laymans terms: P2P networks speeds get capped to 20 kb/s. Naturally the smaller ISPs did try to fight the throttling issue, but of course Bell came out victorious. Considering this level of high dependency on Bell lines to operate, its no wonder why Bell withholding the tech can be such a huge deal.

Few people have the choice to jump on something else like I did. I'm personally with Teksavvy. There a wonderful bunch really. Offer you 5mbps speeds with 200 GB bandwidth for 30 bucks a month with hellishly good tech support and none of that bull with contracts. I do however fear that with Bells latest decision(the first link), that my ISP may no longer be an option, and that I will no longer have anymore options to opt for. Beyond, protest, writing to your MP and submitting complaints to the CTRC(all of which are ineffective) i fear that not much can be done. Though i'm seriously considering another option. Though it involves heads being on the recieving end of blunt objects.

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#2 Kikouken
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I know, Internet here ****ing stinks. Rogers has this ridiculous internet plan called high-speed Lite and I think its 20 something a month to download at 60kbps. Sixty, do you know how slow that is? Free Wifi service is faster than that.That's what the internet is like at my parents' place. I've never had Bell, never will. I want to cut Rogers off completely but I have to find a good ISP before I do that.
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#3 ferrari2001
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ahh I love American internet, 6mbps download, with unlimited bandwidth all for 39.99 per month. I'm so glad I don't live in Canada.
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#4 BumFluff122
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On the west coast we have Telus and Shaw as well.

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#5 Dylan_11
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Same crap here, nothing we could do aboot it so know sense worrying.
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#6 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Don't feel too bad. I'm in Michigan and stuck with Charter. Only major player in town for cable internet. But then, Michigan is basically in Canada. Lol, Toronto is further south then where I live.

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#7 Communist_Soul
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Mountain cable is great and cheap but they sold it to Shaw.

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#8 DJ_Lae
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I have Telus DSL and don't have any complaints about it. Sure, I wish they offered 6mbps in my area, but the 3mb is cheap enough it doesn't matter. I pay about $50 a month, and that includes the internet, my phone line and long distance plan.
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#9 mayforcebeyou
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that's why competitions good, and that's what happens when one commpany is completely dominating the sector
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#10 th3stausqu0
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Wow thats slow.

I have so much speed and bandwith I dont know what to do with it sometimes. I am really happy with my speed here in CA

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#11 EMOEVOLUTION
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if it's made of crap... then how does it work?

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#12 certifieddata
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Mine works great and it's pretty cheap too, must depend on who supplies it.

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#13 solidous917
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Nah, they dont make to many things out of crap anymore. It's just to unreliable.

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#14 WasntAvailable
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That sucks. How did something like that happen? Canada isn't a small country (EDIT: :lol: Company. Imagine if all the countries in the world were massive companies competing with each other...). Apparently the UK is the worst in Europe aswell. Countries likeFrance and Japan have ridiculous broadband services in comparison, espically Japan.

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#15 D_Battery
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On the west coast we have Telus and Shaw as well.

BumFluff122

Yes, because Telus is sooooo fantastic and never rips anyone off either.

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#16 brandontwb
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Sure it's expensive, but Rogers is a decent company. Sort of. I used to have "ultra lite" service which is 60kbps download speed which is fine for browsing the internet but slow for downloads and HD videos. The limit was 60GB/month, and then they changed it to FIVE!!! Good thing they let us keep the 60. I just upgraded to 360Kbps and that has a 25GB limit and I was lucky and able to keep the 60GB/month limit. It comes with 5 speed boosts per year that you can use to increase you're internet speed for a day to 10 megabits per second which is good when downloading full games. I'm looking into TechSavvy still though.
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#17 Kenny789
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Dang, fastest internet you can get here is 2 MBPS :x And it's around $40 a month for that.
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#18 awsss
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?

I have telus and nothing you just said applies to me.

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#19 linkin_guy109
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not all canadian internet is crap, i have a 3mb connection, then again its sasktel, not rogers or bell

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#20 michael_1234576
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I have rogers at 100mps
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

On the west coast we have Telus and Shaw as well.

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Yes, because Telus is sooooo fantastic and never rips anyone off either.

all i stated was we had other ISPs. I didn't mention anything about hwo I felt about them.

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#22 JigglyWiggly_
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I have a 15/2 connection from Comcast, albeit I'm in the US. 42 dollars a month, and I've gone over 250 GB each month... nobodies complained... yet :)
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I know, Internet here ****ing stinks. Rogers has this ridiculous internet plan called high-speed Lite and I think its 20 something a month to download at 60kbps. Sixty, do you know how slow that is? Free Wifi service is faster than that.That's what the internet is like at my parents' place. I've never had Bell, never will. I want to cut Rogers off completely but I have to find a good ISP before I do that.Kikouken
:lol: My d/l speed is usually 15-30kb/s, I wonder what ours will be considered as if yours are crap. :P
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Sure it's expensive, but Rogers is a decent company. Sort of. I used to have "ultra lite" service which is 60kbps download speed which is fine for browsing the internet but slow for downloads and HD videos. The limit was 60GB/month, and then they changed it to FIVE!!! Good thing they let us keep the 60. I just upgraded to 360Kbps and that has a 25GB limit and I was lucky and able to keep the 60GB/month limit. It comes with 5 speed boosts per year that you can use to increase you're internet speed for a day to 10 megabits per second which is good when downloading full games. I'm looking into TechSavvy still though. brandontwb

Nothing about Rogers is decent. Rogers makes Bell look decent, and Bell isn't exactly known for leaving a warm fuzzy feeling in the hearts of their customers.

Anyway, the plans here in Toronto aren't half bad (I think I pay $37 a month for ~7Mbps down/~1Mbps up with a 60GB cap from Bell; not perfect by any stretch, but I haven't had any problems either), but that's probably because we're the Centre of Canada (TM). But apparently net neutrality/copyright/our kind and benevolent telecom oligarchy are becoming an increasingly important voter issue, so hopefully we'll see it take a bigger part in the next election. Maybe we can talk Michael Geist and Cory Doctorow into running...

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#25 bluezy
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I have Bell and I don't see a big problem with it.
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#26 redstorm72
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I've got a pretty crappy internet connection, only 40Kbps. One good thing is that it only costs $2.95 a month ( the companies name is 295, how original).
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#27 Furi-Kun
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I like Bell.

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#28 jus2nyce
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I have Rogers Express and pay 50 odd dollars a month for around 10mbps, I thought this was the norm price. They're overcharging me?

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#29 darkguy_101
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2mbps here. No dl limit (why do foreign ISPs do that?) but uplaods are capped at 128kps on ALL SPEEDS. Which is bs.

About 26 bucks here.

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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Sure it's expensive, but Rogers is a decent company. Sort of. I used to have "ultra lite" service which is 60kbps download speed which is fine for browsing the internet but slow for downloads and HD videos. The limit was 60GB/month, and then they changed it to FIVE!!! Good thing they let us keep the 60. I just upgraded to 360Kbps and that has a 25GB limit and I was lucky and able to keep the 60GB/month limit. It comes with 5 speed boosts per year that you can use to increase you're internet speed for a day to 10 megabits per second which is good when downloading full games. I'm looking into TechSavvy still though.

NO absolutely NOT. Rogers is a horrible company. They have a monopoly on GSM in Canada. They're the ONLY company that provides it! There's either Rogers or FIdo, which is owned by Rogers. Or how about the fact that they where the first major company that introduced the concept of bandwidth limits to North America. And then Bell followed suit.

Rogers is the scum of the Earth as far as I'm concerned. Even if I do get 10MBps whats the bloody point if I can only download 60GB a month. And to top it all off they buy the Blue Jay's and they ruin the name of the SkyDome and call it the Rogers Centre. **** you Rogers!
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#31 shahchip
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I have Shaw High Speed internet and its pretty fast. It got a boost a couple of months ago as well.
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#32 weezyfb
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mine is good
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#33 megagene
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I.Hate.Rogers. :x
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#34 Ringx55
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Your completely right. This is why my family went with http://www.teksavvy.com/en/index.asp After we passed the 60gb limit and charged us a **** load then throttled our speed. We said screw it and went with them.

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#35 carrot-cake
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I must agree that Canadian internet is crap. I also think the CRTC should do something about the monopoly that exists, since thats what they're there for. I hope. There is sooooo much competition in Canada, lets see we have Telus, Bell and Rogers. Yeah lots of competition.
I have Shaw as well and I think it isn't bad compared to the rest. Especially telus and bell. Oh wait, thats the competition, oops.

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#37 RearNakedChoke
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ahh I love American internet, 6mbps download, with unlimited bandwidth all for 39.99 per month. I'm so glad I don't live in Canada. ferrari2001

Man I love my Canadian internet, 7.5mbps down for $33 a month. :)

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#38 -katamarina-
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I used to have Shaw and never had problems.
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#39 TicTac8745
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You should come here to Australia - it's most likely even worse than what you guys have.
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#40 navstar29
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]ahh I love American internet, 6mbps download, with unlimited bandwidth all for 39.99 per month. I'm so glad I don't live in Canada. RearNakedChoke

Man I love my Canadian internet, 7.5mbps down for $33 a month. :)

what ISP are you using? 7.5 Mbps is legit! looking for an ISP right now?
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#41 Battle_Buster
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Stop complaining.


They offer a 3MBPS service with only 60 GB bandwidth(I"m damn sure at this point its gone significantly lower) for a ridiculous 34.95 per month(at its lowest price) and then up you to 50 bucks a month after a year
doanm

Slow sure, but for 70GB bandwidth (closest) at that speed, it'd cost me $100 AUS, then $30 phone line rental. Thats $130 a month for practically the same as you, at the same speed. $35 or $50 for that sounds great.

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#42 JigglyWiggly_
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Stop complaining.

[quote="doanm"]
They offer a 3MBPS service with only 60 GB bandwidth(I"m damn sure at this point its gone significantly lower) for a ridiculous 34.95 per month(at its lowest price) and then up you to 50 bucks a month after a year
Battle_Buster

Slow sure, but for 70GB bandwidth (closest) at that speed, it'd cost me $100 AUS, then $30 phone line rental. Thats $130 a month for practically the same as you, at the same speed. $35 or $50 for that sounds great.

Move to another country, Australia is a hell hole for me. Just because of the Internet. (Yes I do decide what country I go to based on their Internet speed :))

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#43 King9999
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I know, Internet here ****ing stinks. Rogers has this ridiculous internet plan called high-speed Lite and I think its 20 something a month to download at 60kbps. Sixty, do you know how slow that is? Free Wifi service is faster than that.That's what the internet is like at my parents' place. I've never had Bell, never will. I want to cut Rogers off completely but I have to find a good ISP before I do that.Kikouken

Where did you pull that number from? Lite service is 3Mbps.

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#44 3DayFinisher
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5mbps speeds with 200 GB bandwidth for 30 bucksdoanm
We pay 55 a month for 1/10 of that limit and 1/5 of the speed.
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#45 Locke562
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ahh I love American internet, 6mbps download, with unlimited bandwidth all for 39.99 per month. I'm so glad I don't live in Canada. ferrari2001
6Mbps? My god, that's terrible >_>
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#46 StudySession
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I have aliant (bell) and it is pretty crap. 1mps if I am lucky.

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You will HATE Malaysia.

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#48 DeadMan1290
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I hate Bell. Their Mobile service sucks and they're thiefs.

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I know, Internet here ****ing stinks. Rogers has this ridiculous internet plan called high-speed Lite and I think its 20 something a month to download at 60kbps. Sixty, do you know how slow that is? Free Wifi service is faster than that.That's what the internet is like at my parents' place. I've never had Bell, never will. I want to cut Rogers off completely but I have to find a good ISP before I do that.Kikouken
i use rogers also but I pay for the high speed extreme which is $58 a month theirs nothing extreme but these speeds max is like 750hb/s but at least its a 95gb limit as for bell they suck even more
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#50 jmdude
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internet connection is worse here in the Philippines :cry: