Can't understand Hip Hop.?

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#1 Xsan3
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Am I the only one who has to look up the lyrics when I listen to artists like Tupac, Nas, Eminem and theother Lyrically gifted?

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#2 XEscapeTheFateX
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Me too dawg. Keepin it real, nah mean?
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#3 EMOEVOLUTION
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I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

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#4 XEscapeTheFateX
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I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

EMOEVOLUTION
Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..
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Lyrics make hip hop.

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#6 MasterC5
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

XEscapeTheFateX

Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..

Lyrics do not make the whole song. I'm sorry but to say they do is pretty musically ignorant.

Well maybe in hip hop they do

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#7 EMOEVOLUTION
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

XEscapeTheFateX
Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..

What? How doesn't it mean anything. Every song is singing about the same 3 things anyways.. there is no variation. Besides word choice and the order of the words.. the meaning is ultimately almost always the same. Every song is about Love, Hope, or Disappointment. I listen to music for the energy it brings and the general mood it sets.. not for what some guy is saying.
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#8 GC4ever
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i can't understand hip hop past the 90's
i love the early days and 90's but now......
that's why i'm a metalhead

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#9 JustusCF
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I think lyrics and the message of the song made up hip hop/rap in the early 90s... Now it's bleh, more pop-like to appeal to the masses for "moh monie". They found an edge and they're going to exploit it.

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#10 trust_nobody
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I would hardly call 2pac "lyrically gifted". He was an iconic influence in gangsta rap, and therefore he deserves immense credit, but his lyrics naturally sounded good more than they utilized punch lines and metaphors.

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#11 MasterBolt360
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Not really. I can understand them just fine.

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#12 Xsan3
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i can't understand hip hop past the 90's
i love the early days and 90's but now......
that's why i'm a metalhead

GC4ever

Ey, Heavy rock is also - near impossible for me understand.. Tool, Pantera, Slayer, Carcass...Those definately need some written lyrics to understand. But I hear what ur sayin, if I just wanna kick back with some instrumental mood - Rock has its strong points.

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#13 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Nah, I can usually understand it ok and I'm Bunny Bread white. I can't always relate to things like rolling with my g's, having 'female dogs' by my side, wheels that keep on rolling, and throwing money in the air, but at least I can understand the words.

If there's any kind of screaming in the music, then that I can't understand.

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#14 Assassin1349
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Tupac and Nas both have terrible lyrics. I don't understand why someone would consider their lyrics good.

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#15 GC4ever
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[QUOTE="GC4ever"]

i can't understand hip hop past the 90's
i love the early days and 90's but now......
that's why i'm a metalhead

Xsan3

Ey, Heavy rock is also - near impossible for me understand.. Tool, Pantera, Slayer, Carcass...Those definately need some written lyrics to understand. But I hear what ur sayin, if I just wanna kick back with some instrumental mood - Rock has its strong points.

i guess it all depends on who is singing
cause i can understand some but others are like wtf are you saying
*looks up lyrics online*

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#16 trust_nobody
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If you think those artists are hard to understand, look up the song Midwest Choppers 2 by Tech N9ne ft. K-Dean, Krayzie Bone and there's an extended version w/ Twista but he didn't do his verse in time for the deadline.

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#17 needled24-7
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i can understand most of what tupac is saying, sometimes if i want to know i would have to look it up though

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#19 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

Tupac and Nas both have terrible lyrics. I don't understand why someone would consider their lyrics good.

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whatever :roll:

Compelling argument against my opinion. :|

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#20 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

Tupac and Nas both have terrible lyrics. I don't understand why someone would consider their lyrics good.

Assassin1349

whatever :roll:

Compelling argument against my opinion. :|

who's trying to argue?

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#21 deactivated-5bc291bf3d647
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i actually find eminem pretty easy to understand... he usually never slurs his words together and such....
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[QUOTE="XEscapeTheFateX"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

MasterC5

Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..

Lyrics do not make the whole song. I'm sorry but to say they do is pretty musically ignorant.

Well maybe in hip hop they do

If lyrics are involved....there are important.
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#23 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]whatever :roll:

needled24-7

Compelling argument against my opinion. :|

who's trying to argue?

Obviously you, I mean you really could have kept that one word and roll-eyes to yourself, you know? It contributed absolutely nothing to the topic.
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[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="XEscapeTheFateX"] Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..LJS9502_basic

Lyrics do not make the whole song. I'm sorry but to say they do is pretty musically ignorant.

Well maybe in hip hop they do

If lyrics are involved....there are important.

not all the time there are numerous bands that have lyrics that mean absolutely nothing, or are just their to bring out the instrumental stuff....
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#25 effena
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Lyrics make hip hop.

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Lyrics and flow. If the delivery is weak the song is usually weak, even if the lyrics are good.

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#26 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="grunt1096"]

Lyrics make hip hop.

effena

Lyrics and flow. If the delivery is weak the song is usually weak, even if the lyrics are good.



This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.

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#27 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="grunt1096"]

Lyrics make hip hop.

trust_nobody

Lyrics and flow. If the delivery is weak the song is usually weak, even if the lyrics are good.



This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.

IMO-Hip Hop should have some amount of underlying poetry. But not all needs to be dark or street related. Clubs need to have some good vibe too, so the mass attraction of Hip Hop is appeasing.

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This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.

trust_nobody

How does it not? Hip-hop stems from rap, and rap is poetry. Certainly the beat plays an important role, but having a hip-hop song with just a good beat but terrible lyrics is still a poor song.

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#29 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="XEscapeTheFateX"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

EMOEVOLUTION

Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..

Every song is singing about the same 3 things anyways.. there is no variation. Besides word choice and the order of the words.. the meaning is ultimately almost always the same. Every song is about Love, Hope, or Disappointment.

Maybe the songs you have listened only talk about those things but there is a lot of music out there with lyrics about a wide variety of subjects outside of those you mentioned.

I do agree that lyrics do not make up the whole song (although some do revolve a lot around them) though, at least for me. But they can definitely improve or damage a song.

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#30 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]


This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.

GettingTired

How does it not? Hip-hop stems from rap, and rap is poetry. Certainly the beat plays an important role, but having a hip-hop song with just a good beat but terrible lyrics is still a poor song.



Rapping is only a factor of hiphop, it certainly doesn'tmake the genre.

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#31 GreyskullPower
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[QUOTE="XEscapeTheFateX"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

MasterC5

Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..

Lyrics do not make the whole song. I'm sorry but to say they do is pretty musically ignorant.

Well maybe in hip hop they do

I wouldn't say that is ignorant at all. It's not rap OR hip hop without lyrics. otherwise, it just rhythm and beats. I once told this dude that lil wayne is a terrible rapper. he then said, "all you care about is lyrics". Well, DUH, by that statement you agree that the lyrics that lil wayne says suck. So that tells me, he likes the producer, or the person who made the beat. chances are lil wayne never makes his beats, which make perfect sense, because he never writes down his lyrics anymore.

I'm starting to think that the new generation of rap and hiphop listeners aren't intrested in lyrics. which means, the producers and DJ's are the reals stars, not lil wayne and drake.

and dont get me wrong. beats mean alot to me, as I really only listen to slow bass style in contrast to mainstream artists which is more about treble.

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#32 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"] Compelling argument against my opinion. :|

Assassin1349

who's trying to argue?

Obviously you, I mean you really could have kept that one word and roll-eyes to yourself, you know? It contributed absolutely nothing to the topic.

so report me

your post didn't exactly contribute either... you didn't even acknowledge the question he asked

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#33 effena
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[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="grunt1096"]

Lyrics make hip hop.

trust_nobody

Lyrics and flow. If the delivery is weak the song is usually weak, even if the lyrics are good.



This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.


I didn't say that...If the flow is good, the song is usually pretty decent.

Example.

The lyrics are pretty non-sensical, but the flow is pretty good and I think that makes the song pretty enjoyable.

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#34 AtlanticRock
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I love when artist put the lyrics in their album booklets.

I go to OHHLA.com for lyrics.

Currently listening to Eminem - Relapse: The Refill (album coming out December 21st 2009)

"Buffalo Bill" --- lyrics are right here

and

"Music Box" --- lyrics are right here

^^

two of my favorite tracks, I can't wait for the album to come out.

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#35 muffincakes87
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Yeah, I don't understand hip-hop either.

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#36 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

[QUOTE="effena"]

Lyrics and flow. If the delivery is weak the song is usually weak, even if the lyrics are good.

effena



This is extremely laughable. If you think lyrics "make" true hip hop, you need a history lesson.


I didn't say that...If the flow is good, the song is usually pretty decent.

Example.

The lyrics are pretty non-sensical, but the flow is pretty good and I think that makes the song pretty enjoyable.



That's very true, that's what I was saying about 2pac.

However, this is all focusing on the rapping aspect, whereas true hip hop includes the whole B-Boy thing with the poppers and breakers, DJs who put out albums w/o any lyrics (such as The X-Ecutioners), which is still damn good hip hop.

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#37 AtlanticRock
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^^ I agree

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#38 weezyfb
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well if you are not "hip" you wont get the slang.. someone living in rural england might not get rap of Nas' rap as someone living in NY
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#39 IRunNewYork
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its must be the down south rappers you listen to they have that accent, except jeezy i understand his lyrics, but other than that theres rappers that lyrically break it down for you to understand, if its still hard for you to understand then just give up. And also productivity makes music the lyrics beat and flow to it

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#40 MasterC5
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[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="XEscapeTheFateX"] Wow...the lyrics make the whole song. Without lyrics, it doesn't mean anything..LJS9502_basic

Lyrics do not make the whole song. I'm sorry but to say they do is pretty musically ignorant.

Well maybe in hip hop they do

If lyrics are involved....there are important.

But they don't make the song

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I used to have to but not anymore
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#42 Crimtmp
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I think people who bash hip hop as a whole are morons, I am sorry but thats how I feel. There is good in every genre, I listen to everything from Frank Sinatra, Nas, Prince, Beach Boys and Slayer. Every genre has amazing music, open up your F'in minds.

Sorry for the rant :x

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I can understand most but sometimes I get sumped.
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The only time I'll ever look up something is when a rapper makes some obscure pop culture reference, for example, "he's like D.B. Cooper, out with the moolah." I didn't know who D.B. Cooper was until: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper

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#45 clubsammich91
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I barely every care about the lyrics of a song.. I just like how it flows together to make music.

EMOEVOLUTION
Same. I can barely understand the lyrics to Biggie Smalls song "Hypnotized" but it all just flows so nicely.