Christians, Im confused!

Everytime I argue with my cousin about gay rights and stuff he will pull out that leviticus verse that says gay people having sex is bad. He will then say that gay sex only brings death because of STDs. He thinks this is absolute. Is the OT supposed to be taken that literally?

Shouldn't you talk with your cousin about his ideas?LJS9502_basic

What do you mean by that? I talk to him about what he believes in all the time. He's some kind of christian. No one in my family is sure what. He calls himself a spiritual warrior and he thinks he knows everything.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Shouldn't you talk with your cousin about his ideas?Capitan_Kid

What do you mean by that? I talk to him about what he believes in all the time. He's some kind of christian. No one in my family is sure what. He calls himself a spiritual warrior and he thinks he knows everything.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Shouldn't you talk with your cousin about his ideas?LJS9502_basic

What do you mean by that? I talk to him about what he believes in all the time. He's some kind of christian. No one in my family is sure what. He calls himself a spiritual warrior and he thinks he knows everything.

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't say anything about STD's. Although i could be wrong. I haven't finished it yet. Tweetie-Pot

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What do you mean by that? I talk to him about what he believes in all the time. He's some kind of christian. No one in my family is sure what. He calls himself a spiritual warrior and he thinks he knows everything.

Capitan_Kid

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

What do you mean by that? I talk to him about what he believes in all the time. He's some kind of christian. No one in my family is sure what. He calls himself a spiritual warrior and he thinks he knows everything.

Capitan_Kid

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New as well. Saying gay sex only brings death because of STD's isn't necessarily true though. Silenthps

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well than I don't see how what we say could change anything TBH....and he's probably a fundamentalist.Fuhgeddabouditt

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

I gotta try. It bugs me when he starts saying stuff like that.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

Capitan_Kid

I gotta try. It bugs me when he starts saying stuff like that.

Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.CRS98

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New as well. Saying gay sex only brings death because of STD's isn't necessarily true though. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New as well. Saying gay sex only brings death because of STD's isn't necessarily true though. Silenthps

I don't recall gay marriage happening in any culture in the past though some cultures did at the very least practice bisexual relations. Nonetheless, marriage traditionally been heterosexual....yes....because of procreation....which is necessary to propagate the species. And since children weren't involved there was no need to have a protected relationship.

There is a vast difference between a person that is homosexual...and homosexual relations...which we've just agreed are similar to non marital relations between a heterosexual couple. So I think it's a double standard to condemn one as worse than the other...and frankly wrong to condemn the person for his orientation....which your initial statement did.

[QUOTE="CRS98"]Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.Capitan_Kid

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

[QUOTE="CRS98"]Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.Capitan_Kid

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

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[QUOTE="CRS98"]Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.CRS98

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

Yeah, don't let him instill that cult mindset lolz, your cousin is not a Christian.

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[QUOTE="CRS98"]Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.LJS9502_basic

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

I don't think that is stuff she should be hearing about at that age.

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He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

VisigothSaxon

I don't think that is stuff she should be hearing about at that age.

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[QUOTE="CRS98"]Go with what GH said. Let him thrall to his own ignorance. He can only convince himself of anything.LJS9502_basic

He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

Family is one of the greater influences. She asks him questions. I just don't want her to end up like him.

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He talks to my little sister a lot. For the most part it doesnt matter to me what she believes in but I dont want her anywhere near what he believes in.

Capitan_Kid

Family is one of the greater influences. She asks him questions. I just don't want her to end up like him.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well than I don't see how what we say could change anything TBH....and he's probably a fundamentalist.Fuhgeddabouditt

Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

Well I'm not talking about what other cultures or traditions say about marriage. I'm just stating what the Bible says. I don't recall saying in my first statement that one was worse than the other, nor did I condemn any homosexuals, or even homosexuality. I stated, or informed, what the Bible says about homosexuality, not individual homosexuals. Silenthps

Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New as well.Silenthps

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Your sister will be influenced by many factors as she grows.......you can't shut her out from the world...and it doesn't seem as though you are giving her any credit to make up her mind on things...LJS9502_basic

Family is one of the greater influences. She asks him questions. I just don't want her to end up like him.

I know that. :P Im probably just overreacting.

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Do fundamentalists believe black isrealites were the chosen people of God? If they do then yeah I guess he is but I gotta try and show him that gay people arent doomed to hell.

Silenthps

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

Family is one of the greater influences. She asks him questions. I just don't want her to end up like him.

Capitan_Kid

I know that. :P Im probably just overreacting.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Your sister will be influenced by many factors as she grows.......you can't shut her out from the world...and it doesn't seem as though you are giving her any credit to make up her mind on things...LJS9502_basic

I don't think that is stuff she should be hearing about at that age.

My guess is she is young, considering he calls her little sis, and I don't think hes too old himself. Although I got no clue as to what exact age, the Cousin could still be a bigger influence than the media and far worse of one.

But culture did play a part in the Jewish view of homosexuality.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New as well.LJS9502_basic

Yes I am sure. Saying the Bible condemns homosexuality isn't the same thing as me condemning homosexualitiy. I don't believe in the Quran, yet if I were to state that the Quran condemns homosexualilty I'd be condemning it?

Silenthps

Idolatry is different by the way....

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"] but hasnt it been said its a sin? I dont think you can prove that gays arent doomed to hell. Personally, this is what ive heard. I too havent finished reading the bible. But like one said, you should just drop it.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Yes it is a sin, like many others. But the message of the Bible is not to say that you're a sinner so you're going to hell. It's to say you're a sinner and you deserve to go to hell but Jesus took your hell punishment so you can spend an eternity in paradise with him. Silenthps

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Yes I am sure. Saying the Bible condemns homosexuality isn't the same thing as me condemning homosexualitiy. I don't believe in the Quran, yet if I were to state that the Quran condemns homosexualilty I'd be condemning it?

LJS9502_basic

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Yes I am sure. Saying the Bible condemns homosexuality isn't the same thing as me condemning homosexualitiy. I don't believe in the Quran, yet if I were to state that the Quran condemns homosexualilty I'd be condemning it?

Silenthps

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Doesn't this take personal responsibility out of the equation?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] I don't understand what you're asking. It takes works based salvation out of the equation if thats what you're wondering. Silenthps

I find it stupid if people blindly follow a religions morals in place of their own..

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The NT does not condemn homosexuality......it's an orientation.:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] Define orientation. Silenthps

Tell him God hates us all equally. clayron

Be sure to follow it up by saying that Odin loves all his creations.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Except in the NT Jesus told people to help others...so how do you eliminate that part of his message. Though that wasn't my question. LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, bisexual....and no choice is involved.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]Where did I eliminate that part of his message?

Silenthps

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] Ok now define homosexual.

Silenthps

A few stiff drinks and the right lighting.