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#1 Zombievegetable
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They all pray to the same god. Jesus was raised as a jew and spread the gospel, and then Mohammad heard about Jesus, went crazy and spread his own version of religion. So everyone is praying to the same god.
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#2 MasterBolt360
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o rly?

Seriously, another religion topic? Don't you have something better to do?

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#3 Murj
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They all pray to the same god. Jesus was raised as a jew and spread the gospel, and then Mohammad heard about Jesus, went crazy and spread his own version of religion. So everyone is praying to the same god. Zombievegetable

You're not saying what I think you're saying are you?

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#4 Zombievegetable
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It's true, Mohammad was widely regarded as being mentally insane, you could call it touched by god if it insults you. I am simply viewing it scientifically.
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#5 flordeceres
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This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

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#6 Zombievegetable
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This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

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How so dear friend?
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#7 Murj
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It's true, Mohammad was widely regarded as being mentally insane, you could call it touched by god if it insults you. I am simply viewing it scientifically. Zombievegetable

I want a source for this info.

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#8 Theokhoth
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Oh, look who's back.

You were banned for a reason.

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Lol, nope.

Not even close.

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Lol, nope.

Not even close.

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#11 Teenaged
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TC, your OP is a true flame-bait...

But its so blatant it doesnt work.

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#12 MrPraline
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lol ban dodging.
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... I don't see how any one can argue this.. Afterall god in these religions hold loosely the exact same values, see that mankind is his/her/its children, and that the being created the universe.. Hell Hindu is similar in nature, even if the religion has multiple gods.. They see it just another face of the same god (at least from the religious followers of that religion I have talked to)..
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reminded me of that xzibit pic.. don't know why :lol:

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#15 Taegukki
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No, they don't. The radically different ideals in their gospels is truth enough of this.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

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Which one would that be?
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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

LJS9502_basic

Which one would that be?

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="flordeceres"]

This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

flordeceres

Which one would that be?

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

Don't remind me. :P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="flordeceres"]

This is even more terrible than the most recent Religion thread.

D:

flordeceres

Which one would that be?

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

Ah. Usually he pops back to bump it.
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#20 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which one would that be?LJS9502_basic

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

Ah. Usually he pops back to bump it.

I'm pretty sure The Crushmaster is suspended right now.
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They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?
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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which one would that be?LJS9502_basic

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

Ah. Usually he pops back to bump it.

It's only a matter of time before that thread resurfaces, or he creates another (virtually identical) one. >_>

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="flordeceres"]

The one Crushmaster created

>_>

MrPraline

Ah. Usually he pops back to bump it.

I'm pretty sure The Crushmaster is suspended right now.

Oh that explains why he hasn't bumped it.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?

Because they all derive from the beliefs set down by Abraham. That is unless you think that the Old Testament has no place in Christianity.
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They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?mindstorm
... Worshiping Jesus is solely on the ideas of salvation.. In the end you are still worshipping a single god that is a creator of everything, and holds certain values and ideals to other societies religions.. Those certain values though evolve as society evolves though.
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#26 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?

All three are Abrahamic religions.
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#27 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?

Because they all derive from the beliefs set down by Abraham. That is unless you think that the Old Testament has no place in Christianity.

Oh I certainly do accept the teachings of the Old Testament. However, just because we all acknowledge Abraham as our spiritual father does not mean we all believe the same things about the God of Abraham. Even Jews and Christians interpret the Old Testament differently. Would they agree with me if I said the God on the throne in Isaiah 6 is actually Jesus Christ? Not remotely. However, according to John 13:41, it is Jesus who is on the throne, according to John 1 it is Jesus who created the universe, according to John 3 it is Jesus who gives salvation. There are simply too many differences between them to say we believe in the same God.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?sSubZerOo
... Worshiping Jesus is solely on the ideas of salvation.. In the end you are still worshipping a single god that is a creator of everything, and holds certain values and ideals to other societies religions.. Those certain values though evolve as society evolves though.

And this somehow means they are the same God? If one of the religions is right, the other two cannot be also.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?mindstorm

... Worshiping Jesus is solely on the ideas of salvation.. In the end you are still worshipping a single god that is a creator of everything, and holds certain values and ideals to other societies religions.. Those certain values though evolve as society evolves though.

And this somehow means they are the same God? If one of the religions are right, the other two cannot be also.

It means they are interpretations of the same God. And naturally those interpretation have minor and major differences between them.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?mindstorm
... Worshiping Jesus is solely on the ideas of salvation.. In the end you are still worshipping a single god that is a creator of everything, and holds certain values and ideals to other societies religions.. Those certain values though evolve as society evolves though.

And this somehow means they are the same God?

... Why wouldn't it be? I think matters of salvation on believing a certain thing, or other fables seem pretty trivial, when God is defined by these religion as a all creator, holds values strikingly similar to one another, and holds the same characteristics with one another.. I honestly don't see why any one would care to argue this point on why it would matter...
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]They all pray to a God who has certain characteristics but there are so many theological differences between them that they clearly cannot be the same God. For example, being the Christian that I am I believe in the Trinity and thus the divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God according to Christianity. How is that not a different God than the God of Judaism and Islam?mindstorm

... Worshiping Jesus is solely on the ideas of salvation.. In the end you are still worshipping a single god that is a creator of everything, and holds certain values and ideals to other societies religions.. Those certain values though evolve as society evolves though.

And this somehow means they are the same God? If one of the religions is right, the other two cannot be also.

.... Sense when does any religion have to right or wrong.. It should based on the values they stand by in the end.. And they all believe in a god after all.. One can place the argument you could ALL be wrong.. But in the end don't you think its pretty hypocritical to say that a just and loving being.. That supposedly loves us all equally, thinks that any religion or belief is wrong...
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#32 mindstorm
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It means they are interpretations of the same God. And naturally those interpretation have minor and major differences between them.

Teenaged

If you define it that way, I agree. However, being that these interpretations are so different, praying to the God of Islam is not praying to the God of Christianity.

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#33 vitriolboy
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Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same non existent god.

Thread title fixed.

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According to an ICM survey, done for the BBC in 2004, your view is not shared by many of the faithful.

One true God?

The differences between the Gods and core beliefs of the various world religions does seem to indicate that their Gods are seperate.

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Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same non existent god.

Thread title fixed.

vitriolboy

I love how some people make a conscious effort to go "GOD DOESN'T EXIST LOL" whenever religion remotely comes up.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .... Sense when does any religion have to right or wrong.. It should based on the values they stand by in the end.. And they all believe in a god after all.. One can place the argument you could ALL be wrong.. But in the end don't you think its pretty hypocritical to say that a just and loving being.. That supposedly loves us all equally, thinks that any religion or belief is wrong...

Religion has to do with more than morality... Religion deals with reality. If I did not believe Christianity was a reality, I sure wouldn't have the same moral code.
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]It means they are interpretations of the same God. And naturally those interpretation have minor and major differences between them.

mindstorm

If you define it that way, I agree. However, being that these interpretations are so different, praying to the God of Islam is not praying to the God of Christianity.

Indeed their "version" is radically different.

But I dont think a common "source" can be excluded.

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#38 mindstorm
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According to an ICM survey, done for the BBC in 2004, your view is not shared by many of the faithful.

One true God?

The differences between the Gods and core beliefs of the various world religions does seem to indicate that their Gods are seperate.

RationalAtheist

:shock: Long time no see. :D

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[QUOTE="vitriolboy"]

Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same non existent god.

Thread title fixed.

Theokhoth

I love how some people make a conscious effort to go "GOD DOESN'T EXIST LOL" whenever religion remotely comes up.

But ..............God doesnt exist LOL!

*trollface*

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .... Sense when does any religion have to right or wrong.. It should based on the values they stand by in the end.. And they all believe in a god after all.. One can place the argument you could ALL be wrong.. But in the end don't you think its pretty hypocritical to say that a just and loving being.. That supposedly loves us all equally, thinks that any religion or belief is wrong... mindstorm
Religion has to do with more than morality... Religion deals with reality. If I did not believe Christianity was a reality, I sure wouldn't have the same moral code.

.... Prove otherwise, because as it stands whether you are religious or not, or of a different religion.. You tend to always share the same general morals and views in the same society.. Yet again prove to me how god is any way different, the beings general teachings are similar in nature.. The beings powers and charactersitics are similar in nature.. Whether you like it or not the Bible is a interepretation it isn't neccesarly realitiy or fact..
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I love how some people make a conscious effort to go "GOD DOESN'T EXIST LOL" whenever religion remotely comes up.

Theokhoth

If they don't...it might be catching.:o

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]It means they are interpretations of the same God. And naturally those interpretation have minor and major differences between them.

Teenaged

If you define it that way, I agree. However, being that these interpretations are so different, praying to the God of Islam is not praying to the God of Christianity.

Indeed their "version" is radically different.

But I dont think a common "source" can be excluded.

Well, I could buy a steak from a store. You could buy a hot dog from that same store. If person three shouted, "You are eating the same thing!" I can't say me and you'd agree. The source is the same but what we are eating is radically different. I prefer my steak. :P
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because his name is god? and not allah jihad or tim tebow? or the pope?
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] If you define it that way, I agree. However, being that these interpretations are so different, praying to the God of Islam is not praying to the God of Christianity.

mindstorm

Indeed their "version" is radically different.

But I dont think a common "source" can be excluded.

Well, I could buy a steak from a store. You could buy a hot dog from that same store. If person three shouted, "You are eating the same thing!" I can't say me and you'd agree. The source is the same but what we are eating is radically different. I prefer my steak. :P

Well, you know what my answer is ("We cant even prove the existence of the source, how can we prove the validity of the versions?" or "The meat, and the steak and the sausage are real, therefore that the biggest weekness of the analogy") so lets not tread there. :P

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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

According to an ICM survey, done for the BBC in 2004, your view is not shared by many of the faithful.

One true God?

The differences between the Gods and core beliefs of the various world religions does seem to indicate that their Gods are seperate.

I can't help but point out that this usually deals with ideals of salvation.. That you basically HAVE to accept the core beliefs, now if you disagreed with that you don't accept salvation now do you? Not to mention that chart points out that as society becomes more developed or liberal, they tend to disagree.. But in the end this is a fallacy of appealing to the majority.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .... Sense when does any religion have to right or wrong.. It should based on the values they stand by in the end.. And they all believe in a god after all.. One can place the argument you could ALL be wrong.. But in the end don't you think its pretty hypocritical to say that a just and loving being.. That supposedly loves us all equally, thinks that any religion or belief is wrong... sSubZerOo
Religion has to do with more than morality... Religion deals with reality. If I did not believe Christianity was a reality, I sure wouldn't have the same moral code.

.... Prove otherwise, because as it stands whether you are religious or not, or of a different religion.. You tend to always share the same general morals and views in the same society.. Yet again prove to me how god is any way different, the beings general teachings are similar in nature.. The beings powers and charactersitics are similar in nature.. Whether you like it or not the Bible is a interepretation it isn't neccesarly realitiy or fact..

You are using Postmodern presumptions into your view of religion. Keep it in the realm of literature and art.

The only way what you say could be true is if all truth was relative. If you are right, I suppose I should start sacrificing some virgins for the sake of morality... Why not? All religion is true isn't it?

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] If you define it that way, I agree. However, being that these interpretations are so different, praying to the God of Islam is not praying to the God of Christianity.

mindstorm

Indeed their "version" is radically different.

But I dont think a common "source" can be excluded.

Well, I could buy a steak from a store. You could buy a hot dog from that same store. If person three shouted, "You are eating the same thing!" I can't say me and you'd agree. The source is the same but what we are eating is radically different. I prefer my steak. :P

Oh no I do have a real answer and your analogy helps me with that. In both cases the form of the meat has changed radically. The meat was on an animal and it was raw. Both people (religions) are using processed meat (distorted perception) and make up two different types of food that deviate from the source equally.

;)

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#48 mindstorm
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Well, you know what my answer is ("We cant even prove the existence of the source, how can we prove the validity of the versions?" or "The meat, and the steak and the sausage are real, therefore that the biggest weekness of the analogy") so lets not tread there. :P

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lol, don't knock my analogy, I'm proud of it regardless of its issues! :x :P

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#49 Teenaged
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You are using Postmodern presumptions into your view of religion. Keep it in the realm of literature and art.

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Can you explain this phrase to me?

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#50 Theokhoth
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You are using Postmodern presumptions into your view of religion. Keep it in the realm of literature and art.

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In fact, keep it out of those, too. A toilet is not a work of art any more than a Palahniuk novel is a work of literature. *Runs*