Clinton/Trump two sides of the same coin? Really?

So people often say that the two parties in America are essentially the same, or put another way two sides of the same coin. My question to you guys is do you see Clinton and Trump as essentially the same candidate? Or is this a real choice and that the decision will take the country in drastically different directions?

Different directions, and I think Hillary will take the U.S. in a very positive direction with climate change, healthcare, education, and improving opportunities and conditions for the middle class. I also think she will have a positive impact on the Supreme Court and generally get things accomplished.

I don't think Trump has a clue about the issues, sure, he will hire people that know a lot more and essentially run his presidency, but they will be Republicans that will essentially take this country backwards. I think Trump will push the Supreme Court backwards and he won't get things done in office.

Often times candidates are 2 sides of the same coin, but I don't see that here.

Trump = Oligarchy/Plutocracy

Clinton = Oligarchy/Plutocracy

They're pretty much the same. Don't trust either one. USA is practically an oligarchy now with very limited democracy.

I have to say that's a good argument. Clinton does in fact have a lot of big wealthy donors. On the other hand could you possibly show me the evidence of her being owned by them as people claim?

No. Clinton is slightly corrupt and in bed with many special interests but that is pretty much par for the course. Trump is an absurd and dangerous buffoon who would make Americans seem like a bunch of idiots to the rest of the world and if he did what he says he will do it will look like Nazi Germany with train loads of Mexicans being shipped across the boarder and random midnight raids on Muslim homes and much torture and other war crimes being committed. Those things would most likely not be allowed to happen but it is in fact what he is advocating. So no, not the same to my mind.

@mark1974: That is quite a world you came up with as Trump president. You might be overestimating it...slightly. You forget we have checks and balances. The same checks and balances that inhibited Obama from making as many changes as he wanted.

Maybe we are idiots for succumbing to this puppet election process. The world already thinks we're idiots btw and I think it makes a case for voting for Trump because...

Electing Trump would put our beloved Constitution to the test and would provide easier means to singling out people who believe in his world view and asking them why they believe the things they do. We as a country try to act all high and mighty by electing fake puppet presidents to make our "image" appear better to the rest of the world. We deserve Trump because we've allowed our media outlets to trick us into voting for Hillary. There are literally people out there who think that Trump isn't that bad of a guy, and are they wrong? How many will turn up in November to support him? Probably enough to show that we are a nation full of bigots with backwards ideologies, but Hillary is gonna win, so they'll just go away quietly for now and vote in more bigots to lead while everyone else thinks things are okay with a liberal president.

idk, it annoys me when people say that a vote for so-n-so other candidate that isn't Hillary is a vote for Trump. It isn't and if people think it is, then they're part of the problem and we'll continue to spiral into an abyss of corruption. Yup.

Here is what I think: In a democracy, it is inconceivable that our country, having over 300,000,000 people, would choose these two rote walking compromises. They represent banking and corporate business. The only big difference is in their personalities, and the specific masters they march to.

Anyone who claims that Trump and Hillary are one of the same are just butthurt over Sander's loss and they didn't get their socialist utopia. Trump and Hillary couldn't be more different as candidates, they have different personalities, different core ideologies, different backgrounds and vastly different life experiences.

You want to get the corporations out of government, get government out of economy.

It's sad that most Americans consider this conspiracy theory, when in fact the evidence of who truly controls this country is seen every single day when we turn on the TV.

Major corporations, Lobbyist and International banker control us through politics.

Read my post again. I said that he wouldn't be able to get away with it but it is in fact what he is advocating. He want's to deport 11 million people. That is a lot of people. Try to imagine what that would have to look like in reality to get it done. There would be floods of people rounded up and deported. It would take something like trainloads departing the country 24/7 to get it done in his first term. He has said he wants Muslim neighborhoods under surveillance. What would that look like. I'm not overestimating anything and I'm not forgetting about checks and balances. Would you vote for a lunatic just because he wont be allowed to do all the lunatic things he has planned? Seems irrational.

I... I think I agree with you on this...

@mark1974: Its honestly horrifying knowing that there are loads of people out there with your ridiculous line of thought and reasoning.

People who argue they are the same are usually ones who don't pay attention to the inner workings of the system. Often they cannot even name the primary goals of the party platforms.

Yes, now lets hear your take on things so that we may all see reason. Perhaps there is a particular part of my line of reasoning you do not follow?

Truth.

I'm butthurt about it I guess but that doesn't make me think Hillary and Trump are the same. You'd have to be blind.

I think that is a false equivalency. Regulation is needed. Government is needed to intervene in a lot of instances. However, business corrupting politics and the political process is an entirely different beast, and something that should be avoided at all costs.

Well... the fact is, both candidates are pretty rather disliked and people have a lack of faith in both of them. That could be where some of it is coming from... But policywise, there is no denying, they are very different.

I found these findnigs to be kinda interesting.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2016-campaign-strong-interest-widespread-dissatisfaction/

I see Clinton as a bit of a hawk; if she ran as a Republican, changed her stance on a few things, she would be a great candidate for them. Trump is a unique monster, he really defies categorization because he makes up his own categories, lies about how big they are, then backtracks and says the categories never existed.

So no, they're not the same: Clinton will essentially continue (or try to continue, if Congress doesn't change...that's where the real battle needs to occur) the excellent legacy Obama has established; Trump will take this country back to the terrible era of post-WWII America, where you fear the unknown, racism prevails, and change is viewed as harmful. I guess the latter appeals to some people, but poor them.

No not the same coin per say, but I think the US is standing in front of two negative outcomes.

With Clinton nothing will change, she is the definition of a career politician, she can and will be anything the public want her to be, while effectively doing very little, I also doubt there will be less war going on with her at the helm. My impression is that she will benefit the systems already in place, not the population.

Trump is different, not better, and in a lot of ways possibly not worse, I can't stand the man, but he does seem less tied in with interest groups, so he has that going for him. However of the two I think he is the most incompetent, I frankly don't see him running anything, he is not a politician for better or worse, and some of his stances are outright draconic (just like Clinton, just a different draconic). He might try to do some of what he states, but will likely fail anything he tries.

Ultimately it will likely be 4 more years of what has been for the last what? 16+ years? Nothing solved, nothing patched, just more run into the ground for the interest of the few, or a blundering fool, pretending to be captain and do very little.

I think most foreign governments dont like either candidate. Both will continue the current US foreign policy. Trump is belligerent overtly, but Hillary is just as hawkish.