Cloning

What are your thoughts on cloning? Do you think it's ethical and/ or moral or not? What are your reasons? Do your opinions change depending on whether it's Humans or animals being cloned? Also, consider the following questions:

• If you had a clone, how much love would you have for it compared to a sibling, relative, child, or parent? 
• Would you consider it to be a genuine person? 
• If you are religious, would you believe it to have a soul/ spirit?
• Would you want it dead?

I think animals that serve as food should be cloned, nothing more.

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

frannkzappa

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

frannkzappa

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

BluRayHiDef

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

BluRayHiDef

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

you don't need to give them everything. you could breed them without brains for instance.

hell you could make it so all they have is the organ you need.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

frannkzappa

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

you don't need to give them everything. you could breed them without brains for instance.

hell you could make it so all they have is the organ you need.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

sherman-tank1

you don't need to give them everything. you could breed them without brains for instance.

hell you could make it so all they have is the organ you need.

with life support it would be quite easy.

it's well within our capabilities right now.

I'm all for cloning humans.

I don't mind cloning. 

Got no real issues with clones. Wouldn't mind further study, really.

That clone will be raised and think rather differently than me sinc you cant clone memories or experiences. And clones wouldnt have the same fingerprints as me either, so i dont really have to worry about some "evil twin."

Cloning humans is ethically questionable because of the soul. I believe souls exist, but I do not know if God grants clones souls.BranKetra

Cloning humans is ethically questionable because of the soul. I believe souls exist, but I do not know if God grants clones souls.BranKetra

I'm against cloning humans and I believe God is also.

I'm against cloning humans and I believe God is also.

narlymech

Why do you think God is against cloning? just curious

[QUOTE="narlymech"]

I'm against cloning humans and I believe God is also.

Why do you think God is against cloning? just curious

Cloning humans is ethically questionable because of the soul. I believe souls exist, but I do not know if God grants clones souls.BranKetra

So if we assume God exist, and creating a clone could only create a person with no soul, 

then why would it necessarily be immoral to create a clone? If something does not have a soul is it inherently evil? Or is it because you believe said being would be cheated out of an afterlife because it has no soul?

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[QUOTE="narlymech"]

I'm against cloning humans and I believe God is also.

narlymech

Why do you think God is against cloning? just curious

So reproduction is considered holy, but from my quick search and limited Bible knowledge I found Genesis 1:28:

And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.

It doesn't say that creating a human through means other than sex is immoral anywhere that I can find, unless I am missing something and can be enlightened?

If anything the verse above suggests that we multiply in the most efficient way possible. If God gave us the ability to reason and advance technologically, then why is this technology immoral over others?

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you don't need to give them everything. you could breed them without brains for instance.

hell you could make it so all they have is the organ you need.

frannkzappa

with life support it would be quite easy.

it's well within our capabilities right now.

Except we can't clone anyone. But I would expect it would be easier to just recreate the organ

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

BluRayHiDef

How could they not be considered fully Human? They'd be fully autonomous and sapient like Humans, because they"d be...Humans! I argue that the manner in which a creature is created does not determine if it's genuine or not, but only its genetic composition. A Human clone would be 100% genetically Human. It would be a person.

Babies grown in test tubes is still science fiction at this point. In the future, when that does become possible. I don't see how creating a %100 human in a test tube is any different than a man and woman making a baby the regular way. You would have to take into account what the intended purpose is and who is responsible for taking care of this cloned human.

Babies grown in test tubes is still science fiction at this point. In the future, when that does become possible. I don't see how creating a %100 human in a test tube is any different than a man and woman making a baby the regular way. You would have to take into account what the intended purpose is and who is responsible for taking care of this cloned human.

DJ419

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

frannkzappa

Didnt they make a crappy movie with Ewen McGregor about this a few years back?

Anywho, I would not be opposed to cloning organs, would definitly be against cloning people and restricting their rights.

Even growing half a human... It still feels a bit morally ambiguous to me

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

frannkzappa

It causes too many ethical dilemmas for them NOT to be considered fully human.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if they are used for organ harvesting yes.

 

 

they shouldn't be considered fully human that causes to many ethical dilemmas.

Jehuty08

Didnt they make a crappy movie with Ewen McGregor about this a few years back?

Anywho, I would not be opposed to cloning organs, would definitly be against cloning people and restricting their rights.

Even growing half a human... It still feels a bit morally ambiguous to me

Yeah, it was called the Island. Where rich people clone themselves and then when they need organs they harvest them from the clones.  But the clones are fully living people

If they full on clone a human, that's just wrong. Imagine one day finding out that you're technically not a real person. Especially if over the course of your life you participated in religious endeavours and believed in a soul.

Animals on the other hands are pretty dumb, and wouldn't really care so long as they were looked after fairly.

If they full on clone a human, that's just wrong. Imagine one day finding out that you're technically not a real person. Especially if over the course of your life you participated in religious endeavours and believed in a soul.

Animals on the other hands are pretty dumb, and wouldn't really care so long as they were looked after fairly.

sune_Gem

how are you technically not a real person?

I clone plants all the time so know how valuable it is and must happen for humans and animals.killzowned24

except for the serious ethical issues

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]I clone plants all the time so know how valuable it is and must happen for humans and animals.lostrib

except for the serious ethical issues

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]I clone plants all the time so know how valuable it is and must happen for humans and animals.killzowned24

except for the serious ethical issues

There are still serious ethical concerns, within the scientific community. Time would better spent developing ways to just build a new organ

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

If they full on clone a human, that's just wrong. Imagine one day finding out that you're technically not a real person. Especially if over the course of your life you participated in religious endeavours and believed in a soul.

Animals on the other hands are pretty dumb, and wouldn't really care so long as they were looked after fairly.

lostrib

how are you technically not a real person?

Well, a lot of kids get upset when they find out they're adopted. Imagine finding out you don't even have natural parents what so ever.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

If they full on clone a human, that's just wrong. Imagine one day finding out that you're technically not a real person. Especially if over the course of your life you participated in religious endeavours and believed in a soul.

Animals on the other hands are pretty dumb, and wouldn't really care so long as they were looked after fairly.

sune_Gem

how are you technically not a real person?

Well, a lot of kids get upset when they find out they're adopted. Imagine finding out you don't even have natural parents what so ever.

okay, that's different from not being a real person.

I think we should should clone attractive women.SolidSnake35

I think cloning is fine. Should really watch The 6th Day - probably the only movie out there that explores the issues of cloning - at least from the top of my head. And a very good movie imo - don't know why people think it's average. The cast in it is brilliant as well.michaelP4

because it has Arnold in it.  Also the Island deals with ethics of cloning.

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I think cloning is fine. Should really watch The 6th Day - probably the only movie out there that explores the issues of cloning - at least from the top of my head. And a very good movie imo - don't know why people think it's average. The cast in it is brilliant as well.lostrib

because it has Arnold in it.  Also the Island deals with ethics of cloning.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I think cloning is fine. Should really watch The 6th Day - probably the only movie out there that explores the issues of cloning - at least from the top of my head. And a very good movie imo - don't know why people think it's average. The cast in it is brilliant as well.michaelP4

because it has Arnold in it.  Also the Island deals with ethics of cloning.

plus it has one of the best Arnold lines ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GFUAH9wb91Y#t=3s

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

except for the serious ethical issues

lostrib

There are still serious ethical concerns, within the scientific community. Time would better spent developing ways to just build a new organ

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] as if you would give a damn if you had a bad organ and could get a brand new one.killzowned24

There are still serious ethical concerns, within the scientific community. Time would better spent developing ways to just build a new organ

They can use your own cells to make the organ.  Still doesn't address the serious ethical concerns, not to mention scientific complications

I think we should should clone attractive women.SolidSnake35

What gestates for 9 months and then pops out would still be a f-cking human and not something else... 

And I am heavily pro-choice and an atheist... What the actual f-ck are you people even arguing about? Religion is so f-cking bullshit.

"wahhhhhh unless that baby was created by a holy dick and holy vag and my sh-tty, made up, imaginary sky-being god's divine grace it isn't human!!!!!!!!!"

How is our race so f-cking stupid?

i care more about the practical aspects than philosophical ones which means i am saving tissue samples from my dogs so i can just replace them with the same dog when they age and die as soon as it is avalible.

considering all the sci fi human stuff aspects is just a waste of time since it will not be happening in my sphere of influence or in any way that i can do anything about it one way or another.

What gestates for 9 months and then pops out would still be a f-cking human and not something else... 

And I am heavily pro-choice and an atheist... What the actual f-ck are you people even arguing about? Religion is so f-cking bullshit.

"wahhhhhh unless that baby was created by a holy dick and holy vag and my sh-tty, made up, imaginary sky-being god's divine grace it isn't human!!!!!!!!!"

How is our race so f-cking stupid?

Squeets

Probably because of people like you