Concentration Camps: Then and Now

Warning: as you may expect, some of these pictures may be disturbing.

"Never Again"

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Well,that ruined my day...Lto_thaG

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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]Well,that ruined my day...KLAX42

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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]Well,that ruined my day...Lto_thaG

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Let's just go hang out in the Pop Tart thread. It's much happier in there. :?

HOLY ****.

Why does the UN do nothing?

Sure, there are some similarities between Israel and Nazi-Germany when it comes to the use of unproportionate force in warfare...but comparing the holocaust to what's going on in Palestine is wrongjointed

Great thread, and I was expecting stupid pathetic threads.

Well its important to show the similarities, thats the point of the person I reckon who made this so I hope no one twists this around and locks this thread.

However maybe you should warn people of the contents as it can be used against you. I'd hate to see a good comparison get thrown away

Keep in mind just because Israel doesn't admit they are aggrevators towards the Palestinian people doesn't mean that what they are doing isn't similar to genocides. I speak this because just by reading the definition of genocide you can find a lot of things that goes again in todays society. Especially the Palestine conflict, killing plenty of children and innocent people in crowded areas has never been unmotivated as there are more peaceful ways in getting the so called terrorists. It's sickening that this situation goes unpunished, the least the "international" organizations could do is putting the state of Israel for trial for breaking tons of laws.

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Come on people stop whining and face reality, your over materialistic values are never more important than ignoring reality. There are a lot of things you can do even if you sit in your safe comfortable homes with your living family. Spreading information or joining a humanitarian organization. Doesn't hurt trying to be an ethical consumer and buy ethical branded products. It doesn't require too much of you to do a tiny little thing.

The two situations are different...

Also you may get modded for some of those pics, I'd advise a warning of a sort in the title.

Well,that ruined my day...Lto_thaG

Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerEmpCom

israel is wrong and when it is all done, no one will say anything to them.

israel is wrong and when it is all done, no one will say anything to them.

hurley_house

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerMikeLXXXVIII

What isn't similar is the efficient and mass extermination of the people in Gaza orchestrated in a way to wipe them out.

Yes Israel kills Palestinians in conflict, yes people are shot by the army on the streets, but that isn't the same as putting them into a room and killing them with the aim of wiping every single Palestinian off the face of the earth.

There in lies the difference.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerMikeLXXXVIII

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerSamwel_X

What isn't similar is the efficient and mass extermination of the people in Gaza orchestrated in a way to wipe them out.

Yes Israel kills Palestinians in conflict, yes people are shot by the army on the streets, but that isn't the same as putting them into a room and killing them with the aim of wiping every single Palestinian off the face of the earth.

There in lies the difference.

So your saying theyre wrong, just not as Wrong as the nazis. so that makes everything ok?

So your saying theyre wrong, just not as Wrong as the nazis. so that makes everything ok?

hurley_house

Not at all. Of course what they are doing isn't okay. But the situation is not comparable.

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerjointed

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerjointed

No one will bluntly admit their wrong doings. Its a mutual thing among ordinary human beings too. Excuses are to be used efficiently so you don't sound bad or give the wrong impression. Another tactic between wars is to pin the blame on someone. Germany did that, so did every other nation for 100 of Centuries. There are still too many similarities today.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerMikeLXXXVIII

The Israeli army does not officialy promote the systematic killing of Palestinians for starters. jointed

Lets change the pictures on the right for some of iraq . Ohh to answer your ? with a ? How many people live in gaza , if the israelis were committing genoside they would all be dead EmpCom

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerEmpCom

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Tc as far as i am concerned your scum for suggesting through those pictures that these 2 events in human history are even remotely similerEmpCom

And when Israel is using the most advance weapons for a small militant group like hamas . It raises the questions of what the motivation can be. You don't need bombs to tear every bit of someones body to get rid of "terrorists". Yet it seems statistically that they haven't even touched hamas but mostly innocent civilians.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"] Okay please elobarate what makes todays situation so much different. You cannot deny the ghettos of todays Palestine. Their boarders are closed so that they have to smuggle medicines. Plus being literally harrased everyday by the military for being born at the wrong place and wrong time. The illegal occupation isn't even approved by FN that keeps continuing since 1968. War has never been innocent so why is it so justified suddenly?.MikeLXXXVIII

[QUOTE="jointed"]The Israeli army does not officialy promote the systematic killing of Palestinians for starters. Mehdi1984

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Lets change the pictures on the right for some of iraq . Ohh to answer your ? with a ? How many people live in gaza , if the israelis were committing genoside they would all be dead Mehdi1984

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="jointed"]The Israeli army does not officialy promote the systematic killing of Palestinians for starters. jointed

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]Lets change the pictures on the right for some of iraq . Ohh to answer your ? with a ? How many people live in gaza , if the israelis were committing genoside they would all be deadEmpCom

I'll spell it out:

Not all the Jews were killed during the Holocaust, but it is still a genocide.

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="jointed"] The Israeli army does not officialy promote the systematic killing of Palestinians for starters. -Sun_Tzu-

Just have a look at this map!

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] So the Holocaust wasn't a genocide? What are you talking about...Mehdi1984

I'll spell it out:

Not all the Jews were killed during the Holocaust, but it is still a genocide.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"] Well why would they go officially and say it? doesn't seem like a political wise desicion. Wars have always had excuses for doing these things. Also the ears and eyes of the world are a bit wider today so if they even tried to do something similar they would be caughed. Then again a lot of issues are ignored thats happening all thew time there. Did the germans say they were exterminating the jews/gypsies/mentally disabled/homosexuals publicly or to the international world? No they didn't they pretend it was just work camps and the truth of the genocide came to realization at the end of the war.MikeLXXXVIII

In Nazi Germany, German citizens who were of the Jewish faith were treated like crap by the Nazi party. Jews did not have the same rights as their fellow Germans. That's not the case in Israel. Palestinians are given the same rights by the government as Jew's are.

Now you can certainly make the case that they are de facto second class citizens, but they aren't de jure second class citizens like the Jews were in Nazi Germany.

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[QUOTE="EmpCom"] When did i suggest that try reading what i wrote and to clarify for you If israel what comming genocide everyone in gaza would be dead alreadyEmpCom

I'll spell it out:

Not all the Jews were killed during the Holocaust, but it is still a genocide.

what around 1500 dead 5000 injured and towns destroyed to rubel all in around 20+ days, thats not a "good" job?

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[QUOTE="EmpCom"] When did i suggest that try reading what i wrote and to clarify for you If israel what comming genocide everyone in gaza would be dead alreadyEmpCom

I'll spell it out:

Not all the Jews were killed during the Holocaust, but it is still a genocide.

This thread is an example of "appeal to emotion" fallacy...LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MikeLXXXVIII"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Do you really believe that the Israeli government has the intention of systematically slaughtering every Palestinian? How can that be when there are Palestinian members in the Knesset? -Sun_Tzu-

In Nazi Germany, German citizens who were of the Jewish faith were treated like crap by the Nazi party. Jews did not have the same rights as their fellow Germans. That's not the case in Israel. Palestinians are given the same rights by the government as Jew's are.

Now you can certainly make the case that they are de facto second class citizens, but they aren't de jure second class citizens like the Jews were in Nazi Germany.

Well even if they aren't bent on slaughtering Palestinians how can their methods be so unquestionable with similarities to genocide. In order to chase away a population as they are doing, you need fear and also casualties. If they really were interested in sparing their lives they would never use all their forces or wage pointless wars again Palestinians and Libanese. War is interested in gaining and getting rid of the other part, they have done it plentifully before so why is it so different today?.

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I'll spell it out:

Not all the Jews were killed during the Holocaust, but it is still a genocide.

Mehdi1984

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread is an example of "appeal to emotion" fallacy...hurley_house

Two...so with thousands of rockets into Israel it's not for a lack of trying that there aren't many dead so what's the point?

[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread is an example of "appeal to emotion" fallacy...LJS9502_basic

Two...so with thousands of rockets into Israel it's not for a lack of trying that there aren't many dead so what's the point?

The rockets are pretty bad, but in comparison despite the intention being the same is still making things rather different.

The rockets would never exist if they didn't cause rage with the killing of families, destroying of properties and occupying lands for so many years. Israel were more prepared than for some rockets. Of the Israelians who are sympathiser they say how this is also a political campaign to win voters. This full scale operation is about more than Hamas. Please elaborate why the Israelian goverment didn't allow journalists or even aid to venture into the boarder?. I got the small glimpse through some doctors who went there before they closed the boarders. They were from my country and the only ones that were inside from the outside yet so many people don't question the motives behind not letting aid or journalists through. The use of weaponry and casualties should not go unquestioned. The doctors documented the first days having 1 Hamas force among hundreds of wounded others. Military intelligence today is not that clumsy so its clearly motivated. You don't bomb an entirely mass populated area for a few group of people if your wifes and kids were there. Again more effective methods to due such an operation. Is it so hard for them to have spies or to bomb headquarters. Its just too stupid to pretend oh Hamas were inside the UN Schools and Headquarters!!