confederate flag? thoughts

i live in the country. and these flags mean south hertiage and yes slavery. but slavery is (duh) over.

it the flag stands for south. Its normal to me and none of the people who are black give a damn.

so why is it a problem with NAACP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdtw/20110304/ts_yblog_localdtw/kid-rocks-use-of-confederate-flag-sparks-naacp-boycott

thoughts?

i live in the country. and these flags mean south hertiage and yes slavery. but slavery is (duh) over.

it the flag stands for south. Its normal to me and none of the people who are black give a damn.

so why is it a problem with NAACP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdtw/20110304/ts_yblog_localdtw/kid-rocks-use-of-confederate-flag-sparks-naacp-boycott

thoughts?

zoraluv

Well, coming from a black dude, the NAACP complains about a lot of stupid things. To me it is just a flag. Nowadays the flag means more southern pride than anything, not about slaves or hate. Blackjack9288

so for most it means nothing.

i was just wondering. some people to ***** about it

They don't bother me at all. Hell, I've seen blacks flying the things.

I dont have a problem with it, I just dont see the point.

[QUOTE="Blackjack9288"]Well, coming from a black dude, the NAACP complains about a lot of stupid things. To me it is just a flag. Nowadays the flag means more southern pride than anything, not about slaves or hate. zoraluv

so for most it means nothing.

i was just wondering. some people to ***** about it

The Confederacy is over. It no longer exists. To continue to pay tribute to it is tantamount to harboring treasonous ideals. This is the United States of America, not the Confederacy. If these people love the Confederacy so much, they should just secede and form there own nation.

I wouldn't say I have a problem with it exactly, and I do agree the NAACP cries over just about everything. But being from the north east, I know a lot of people in the north still associate it with racism and intolerance, and I can understand why they do. Some people even go as far as to say that displaying a confederate flag is just as bad as displaying a Nazi flag.

I don't ever recall Kid Rock using this flag.

Ask the NAACP how they feel about the Georgia state flag now. They moaned about the old state flag and now they have a version of this.

Its no different from a Brit waving an english flag. Sure, we went to war with the scots, but that doesn't mean thats what the flag represents.Overlord93

it is still offensive to some as it was the flag of slaversweezyfb

Slave owners were part of the country that flew this flag too.

All I see is overly sensitive attention whores and abuse of "political correctness".

Well the flag a lot of people think of is the Confederate Battle Flag and it's what the Confederates marched into battle with, the people waving that flag are either stupid for not relizing that and claiming that it means something else or not trying to say that the Confederation should have remained.

It means different things to different people. Some see it solely as a symbol of southern pride, others as a representation of slavery. And of course there are the racists. I'm rather apathetic to it.

i really dont have a problem with it tbh

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]it is still offensive to some as it was the flag of slaversWhiteKnight77

Slave owners were part of the country that flew this flag too.

Well, actually it would've looked more like this

Maybe with one or two more stars for West Virginia and Nevada, but yeah, good point.

There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's for people to remember their history and to be proud of who they are, you can't put down anyone for that. I have the confederate flag in my room for the reasons of it being part of my history, and I am very proud of it. I don't wave it around like a lot of idiots do just because they're trying to be "country". I grew up in the south and I see a lot of these people all the time and it is upsetting to see just because they don't know the reasons behind that flag. I know just about everything from my history/heritage and I proudly show it, and I always will. People should really get into there heritage more, it's a cool experience.

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]it is still offensive to some as it was the flag of slaversWhiteKnight77

Slave owners were part of the country that flew this flag too.

Yes, but that is no loger the case with this flag. In fact, the defender of the contitution which this flag represents is currently a half Black man. That has never been the case with the Confederate flag.

i see it at the races alot its not that big of a deal it pisses me off that pepole b**** about it.

KKK partly ruined it.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]it is still offensive to some as it was the flag of slaversBluRayHiDef

Slave owners were part of the country that flew this flag too.

Yes, but that is no loger the case with this flag. In fact, the defender of the contitution which this flag represents is currently a half Black man. That has never been the case with the Confederate flag.

The fact remains that slavery existed under the US flag and yet, people conveniently forget about it. They see the Confederate Battle Flag and scream racism and such. The NAACP had it backfire on them when they got the Georgia state flag changed. As I already stated, they have a modified version of the actual flag of the Confederacy flying over the state. Before people play the race card when it comes to flags, they should study some history and understand that there are those who corrupted one flag for all the wrong reasons.

What would the NAACP done if the KKK had used the US flag instead? Would the US had to have gotten a new flag?

Well, coming from a black dude, the NAACP complains about a lot of stupid things. To me it is just a flag. Nowadays the flag means more southern pride than anything, not about slaves or hate. Blackjack9288

The Confederacy is over. It no longer exists. To continue to pay tribute to it is tantamount to harboring treasonous ideals. This is the United States of America, not the Confederacy. If these people love the Confederacy so much, they should just secede and form there own nation.

BluRayHiDef

Because the NAACP has a problem with everything? They even have problems with Hallmark greeting cards that say black holes, but they misinerpret as black "whores".

The organization is ridiculous.

Yes, but that is no loger the case with this flag. In fact, the defender of the contitution which this flag represents is currently a half Black man. That has never been the case with the Confederate flag.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Slave owners were part of the country that flew this flag too.

WhiteKnight77

Yes, but that is no loger the case with this flag. In fact, the defender of the contitution which this flag represents is currently a half Black man. That has never been the case with the Confederate flag.

The fact remains that slavery existed under the US flag and yet, people conveniently forget about it. They see the Confederate Battle Flag and scream racism and such. The NAACP had it backfire on them when they got the Georgia state flag changed. As I already stated, they have a modified version of the actual flag of the Confederacy flying over the state. Before people play the race card when it comes to flags, they should study some history and understand that there are those who corrupted one flag for all the wrong reasons.

What would the NAACP done if the KKK had used the US flag instead? Would the US had to have gotten a new flag?

Do you think they would get much support if they did? I don't.

Its no different from a Brit waving an english flag. Sure, we went to war with the scots, but that doesn't mean thats what the flag represents.Overlord93

It is nowhere near the same... The entire basis for the Confederacy was slavery... And 87.8% of the reasoning for cecession during the American Civil War wasn't even about abolishing slavery in the South it was about preventing the spread of slavery into the West...

I agree with the NAACP, I have family that live in the South and proudly wave a Confederate flag in their yard... And every single one of them is a racist piece of **** I don't know one person who waves a Confederate flag as ONLY a symbol of southern pride (apart from Kid Rock, who just waves it around because he is dumb)... Quite literally every person I have seen displaying that flag is racist... Whether they just be ignorant hicks or the KKK...

Was it not OK to fly the flag before Obama became president? The constitution he took an oath to protect is the same one that originally contained the 3/5 compromise. fidosim

There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's for people to remember their history and to be proud of who they are, you can't put down anyone for that. I have the confederate flag in my room for the reasons of it being part of my history, and I am very proud of it. I don't wave it around like a lot of idiots do just because they're trying to be "country". I grew up in the south and I see a lot of these people all the time and it is upsetting to see just because they don't know the reasons behind that flag. I know just about everything from my history/heritage and I proudly show it, and I always will. People should really get into there heritage more, it's a cool experience.

XCNormX

I'm Canadian so I am neutral on the subject.

I have very little faith in people, so when I see it I honestly believe that it could mean racism.

And even if it is just Southern pride, it still sucks, because the South itself sucks.

its the epitome of the backwards thinking, ignorance, racism, and mindless adherence to tradition......... which makes it brilliantly appropriate for display in the south. its a great advertisement for what the south represents.

arbitor365

Seriously?

I think the people who wave that flag around are making themselves look like hicks. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a northerner.

The Confederate flag stands for freedom and independence from foreign occupation and the resistance to the autocratic and genocidal Mr. Lincoln.

It's a proud standard that has, unfortunately, been tarnished by radicals. And this being the OT board (and that middle-school social studies is more often than not the fullest-extent most forumites here have learned about the topic), I'm sure there have been more than a few posts about how the flag entirely represents slavery and nothing else. This overlooks the fact the vast-majority of southerners didn't have slaves, and many fought and died because the north was either invading their territory or threatening to. But, again, this is the OT board. Facts come after laughable generalizations.

its the epitome of the backwards thinking, ignorance, racism, and mindless adherence to tradition......... which makes it brilliantly appropriate for display in the south. its a great advertisement for what the south represents.

arbitor365

you have no idea about the south.

thats why your talking out your behind.

appropriatedisplay of where your head is.

[QUOTE="XCNormX"]

There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's for people to remember their history and to be proud of who they are, you can't put down anyone for that. I have the confederate flag in my room for the reasons of it being part of my history, and I am very proud of it. I don't wave it around like a lot of idiots do just because they're trying to be "country". I grew up in the south and I see a lot of these people all the time and it is upsetting to see just because they don't know the reasons behind that flag. I know just about everything from my history/heritage and I proudly show it, and I always will. People should really get into there heritage more, it's a cool experience.

HoolaHoopMan

That make no sense, I mean the Nazi's were a heartless group led by one of the most ruthless dictators to ever live. There is a BIG difference from the nazi's and the Confederate Army. I'm not going to sit here and give you a history lesson but I do think you need to brush up on it a bit. And you're damn right I'm going to be proud of it, because I had ancestors who served in the Civil War, that risked their lives because that's what they were told to do, who were willing to give their lives for what most believe was a stupid cause. So I proudly honor them by having the Confederate flag in my room. To the people that do it in racist way...well I don't speak for them, but there wrong in what they do. If you would've read more clearly into my statement you would have seen where I wrote that these people need to learn the reasons behind that flag before they wave it around. And there are stronger reasons behind that flag besides racism.

First things first, Its ************* ugly. And lets be honest, waving it around is practically treason as it represenstwanting to break theunion (which is illegal). So thats my 2cents.

And its still ugly. Uglier than what an entire ugly tree beating someone to ugliness.

It's a proud standard that has, unfortunately, been tarnished by radicals. And this being the OT board (and that middle-school social studies is more often than not the fullest-extent most forumites here have learned about the topic), I'm sure there have been more than a few posts about how the flag entirely represents slavery and nothing else. This overlooks the fact the vast-majority of southerners didn't have slaves, and many fought and died because the north was either invading their territory or threatening to. But, again, this is the OT board. Facts come after laughable generalizations.

Verge_6

No sir it was due slavery.. Just because the majority of people in the South did not own slaves, it didn't matter.. The people in control of the government were the said slave holders and got the poor southerners to fight for it.. It was for economic reasons plain and simple.. The Union soldiers did not do it for any noble reasons either most of them, it provided a wage three meals a day.. Or they were drafted.. This nonsense of how the confederate flag historically represents pride is quite absurd.. The South was as much hypocrits as any one else.. Take for instance they claimed they wanted state rights over government in their secession.. That the federal government was infringing on states too much.. This didn't stop them putting forward and fully supporting the fugitive slave act.. A federal government decree that there was no safe state a slave could run to, slave hunters could freely move through the United States to catch their querry.

Now this doesn't mean I think what the flag means to day is wrong.. I personally couldn't care less either way..

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

It's a proud standard that has, unfortunately, been tarnished by radicals. And this being the OT board (and that middle-school social studies is more often than not the fullest-extent most forumites here have learned about the topic), I'm sure there have been more than a few posts about how the flag entirely represents slavery and nothing else. This overlooks the fact the vast-majority of southerners didn't have slaves, and many fought and died because the north was either invading their territory or threatening to. But, again, this is the OT board. Facts come after laughable generalizations.

sSubZerOo

No sir it was due slavery.. Just because the majority of people in the South did not own slaves, it didn't matter.. The people in control of the government were the said slave holders and got the poor southerners to fight for it.. It was for economic reasons plain and simple.. The Union soldiers did not do it for any noble reasons either most of them, it provided a wage three meals a day.. Or they were drafted.. This nonsense of how the confederate flag historically represents pride is quite absurd.. The South was as much hypocrits as any one else.. Take for instance they claimed they wanted state rights over government in their secession.. That the federal government was infringing on states too much.. This didn't stop them putting forward and fully supporting the fugitive slave act.. A federal government decree that there was no safe state a slave could run to, slave hunters could freely move through the United States to catch their querry.