Copyright Vs Copywrong

I just wanted to see what the general consensus was amongst the GS community about piracy. So what do you think? Consider this a promt.I'm leaving the question vague for a reason. Tell me whats on your mind!

Here's what i think:

The way intellectual property is being shared is changing. Soon the days of wealthy game designers and big buisness corporations holding rights to forms of expression will be gone. What will be left are communities of like-minded individuals, such as you and I, creating something soley because we want to share it with everyone.Profit will be completely out of the picture, leaving only the passion of the creator(s) as the only motivation. You can doubt it all you want but its going to happen! Each day more and more people are getting their media free.

Copy"right" Vs Copy"wrong"... which side are you on?

I just wanted to see what the general consensus was amongst the GS community about piracy. So what do you think? Consider this a promt.I'm leaving the question vague for a reason. Tell me whats on your mind!

Here's what i think:

The way intellectual property is being shared is changing. Soon the days of wealthy game designers and big buisness corporations holding rights to forms of expression will be gone. What will be left are communities of like-minded individuals, such as you and I, creating something soley because we want to share it with everyone.Profit will be completely out of the picture, leaving only the passion of the creator(s) as the only motivation. You can doubt it all you want but its going to happen! Each day more and more people are getting their media free.

Copy"right" Vs Copy"wrong"... which side are you on?

airmanwilkins

LOL. What you are saying is the largest growing commodity, multimedia, will become free in the largest Capitalist society in the world? Get real.

Software, music, IPs. These things take money, effort, work, skill and more money. The creators will fight tooth and nail for money they deserve for their wares. Distributers and marketers need to be paid for their services in letting people know about a product and getting it too the masses. The secondary market of used goods would vanish as well, so they will lobby the hell out of making sure the creators get paid.

No friggin way.

Of course community-created freeware, shareware, public access works of entertainment and art ALREADY exist. People DO enjoy these things for free and a lot donate so the creator (if the product is good enough) can make money and continue to hone their skills and put out more stuff. This is inline with what you stated but it exists more as a hobby for a lot of professionals or an altruistic "charity" for the public or for up and comers who WANT to be professionals to get their name and reputation.

When we pirate stuff we steal. Plain and simple. People who make awesome things we enjoy as a consumer deserve to get PAID.

No I cant! My work is too boring(sell sim-cards, cellphones...)I got to entertain myself!COBRA1138

Watch Borat :P

[spoiler] i heard it was banned in russia and all former USSR nations, that's why i said it [/spoiler]

Just because you want something doesn't mean you're entitled to it. Seriously, parents should have taught their kids that by the time they're at least 8.Taylor_B

Well yeah, parents can try, but stupid people never learn.

Music is bloody expensive in my opinion, I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating it.Mochyc

I do think copyright is going a bit too far, but that's not necessarily with multimedia. Right now huge corporations are placing patents on genes. They didn't make those, they only discovered them. I think that's outrageous. You can't put a copyright on life. But then again, money is power. And copyrights makes people money.

I hope that in the future copyright will be seriously reduced. Nowadays everything, no matter how non existant, has to be "owned" by someone or some corporation. Maybe through open source and people willing to release their ideas into public domain, copyright will slowly be less of an issue.

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]Music is bloody expensive in my opinion, I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating it.Engrish_Major

Of course, if you were about to buy the music and then decided to pirate it, it's the same as stealing. But seeing the price of music, I can understand that you'd never buy together a proper music collection. If you're not prepared to pay 20 dollars for an album, so you decide to pirate it, then it's a victimless crime.

Of course, if you were about to buy the music and then decided to pirate it, it's the same as stealing. But seeing the price of music, I can understand that you'd never buy together a proper music collection. If you're not prepared to pay 20 dollars for an album, so you decide to pirate it, then it's a victimless crime.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

Of course, if you were about to buy the music and then decided to pirate it, it's the same as stealing. But seeing the price of music, I can understand that you'd never buy together a proper music collection. If you're not prepared to pay 20 dollars for an album, so you decide to pirate it, then it's a victimless crime.

Engrish_Major

Oh, and the DRM is a choice which turned out to be a wrong one.

Yes, pirate because the big, bad, rich, music companies have too much money. Piracy is a crime and it's stupid. There's no excuse for it. If the price is too high, don't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, a company will lower prices.

I said that already. Sometimes it's victimless, sometimes it's not victimless. You're just taking the big hump of all pirating that occurs and you call it stealing. I'm looking at it case by case.

Oh, and the DRM is a choice which turned out to be a wrong one.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

I said that already. Sometimes it's victimless, sometimes it's not victimless. You're just taking the big hump of all pirating that occurs and you call it stealing. I'm looking at it case by case.

Oh, and the DRM is a choice which turned out to be a wrong one.

Engrish_Major

Make X amount of money and have Y amount of people enjoying their work, or:

Make X amount of money, and have Y + Z amount of people enjoying their work.

Which do you think would he choose? But then again, most people can't think in these terms. They either think "everything that's illegal is unmoral so I shouldn't do it" or "If I don't have to pay money for it, why should I?". It's more of a fault by the people themselves than the ideology of pirating.

[QUOTE="COBRA1138"]No I cant! My work is too boring(sell sim-cards, cellphones...)I got to entertain myself!Jekken6

Watch Borat :P

there are bears walking on the streets of russian cities and all russians like vodka and wear Shapka-Ushanka HatCOBRA1138

I just wanted to see what the general consensus was amongst the GS community about piracy. So what do you think? Consider this a promt.I'm leaving the question vague for a reason. Tell me whats on your mind!

Here's what i think:

The way intellectual property is being shared is changing. Soon the days of wealthy game designers and big buisness corporations holding rights to forms of expression will be gone. What will be left are communities of like-minded individuals, such as you and I, creating something soley because we want to share it with everyone.Profit will be completely out of the picture, leaving only the passion of the creator(s) as the only motivation. You can doubt it all you want but its going to happen! Each day more and more people are getting their media free.

Copy"right" Vs Copy"wrong"... which side are you on?

airmanwilkins

I don't know about ban for this film. I have tried to watch it(my friends got pirated version, and I got it from them). But I think this movie is too stupid. And there are no men such stupid as Borat. By the way I heard that some americans think, that there are bears walking on the streets of russian cities and all russians like vodka and wear Shapka-Ushanka Hat(Fur hat with "dog ears")-that's stereotype. Movie "Borat" shows us a lot of stereotypes.(Was he from Kazahstan?)COBRA1138

I think your friends were pulling your leg. The disc was made to look like a pirated version. It was classic.

I just wanted to see what the general consensus was amongst the GS community about piracy. So what do you think? Consider this a promt.I'm leaving the question vague for a reason. Tell me whats on your mind!

Here's what i think:

The way intellectual property is being shared is changing. Soon the days of wealthy game designers and big buisness corporations holding rights to forms of expression will be gone. What will be left are communities of like-minded individuals, such as you and I, creating something soley because we want to share it with everyone.Profit will be completely out of the picture, leaving only the passion of the creator(s) as the only motivation. You can doubt it all you want but its going to happen! Each day more and more people are getting their media free.

Copy"right" Vs Copy"wrong"... which side are you on?

airmanwilkins

And then all the like minded individuals will starve to death because while they were busy creating and giving it away they had no way to support themselves.

LOL. What you are saying is the largest growing commodity, multimedia, will become free in the largest Capitalist society in the world? Get real.

Software, music, IPs. These things take money, effort, work, skill and more money. The creators will fight tooth and nail for money they deserve for their wares. Distributers and marketers need to be paid for their services in letting people know about a product and getting it too the masses. The secondary market of used goods would vanish as well, so they will lobby the hell out of making sure the creators get paid.

No friggin way.

Of course community-created freeware, shareware, public access works of entertainment and art ALREADY exist. People DO enjoy these things for free and a lot donate so the creator (if the product is good enough) can make money and continue to hone their skills and put out more stuff. This is inline with what you stated but it exists more as a hobby for a lot of professionals or an altruistic "charity" for the public or for up and comers who WANT to be professionals to get their name and reputation.

When we pirate stuff we steal. Plain and simple. People who make awesome things we enjoy as a consumer deserve to get PAID.

my_mortal_coil

Im not saying there will be a law passed were all intellectual property will be free. What I am saying is it will become the dominant way we receive our entertainment. it will happen regardless. Of coarse the copyright holders will fight piracy... they dont want to give up their position of power (Money). Honestly, I wouldnt give up the money without a fight either. But you CAN NOT win the battle against piracy. I liken it to events in history such as the printing press, when we first started to print information en mass. It was considered evil and at times outlawed. Same thing with movie theatres and HBO. HBO came out and theatre revenue dropped dramatically. My point is, Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it will no longer become piracy... but a socially acceptable form of receiving information And yes, I am aware that the communities I spoke of already exist... I love the fact that people donate money to game designers, ive done it myself. I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry. sharing is caring!

Im not saying there will be a law passed were all intellectual property will be free. What I am saying is it will become the dominant way we receive our entertainment. it will happen regardless. Of coarse the copyright holders will fight piracy... they dont want to give up their position of power (Money). Honestly, I wouldnt give up the money without a fight either. But you CAN NOT win the battle against piracy. I liken it to events in history such as the printing press, when we first started to print information en mass. It was considered evil and at times outlawed. Same thing with movie theatres and HBO. HBO came out and theatre revenue dropped dramatically. My point is, Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it will no longer become piracy... but a socially acceptable form of receiving information And yes, I am aware that the communities I spoke of already exist... I love the fact that people donate money to game designers, ive done it myself. I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry. sharing is caring!

airmanwilkins

Er... except for the minor detail that 600 years after the first printing press, the publishing industry is still going strong. Your comparison doesn't work.

Just because you want something doesn't mean you're entitled to it. Seriously, parents should have taught their kids that by the time they're at least 8.Taylor_B

[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]Just because you want something doesn't mean you're entitled to it. Seriously, parents should have taught their kids that by the time they're at least 8.Vandalvideo

Then prepare to say goodbye to huge movies, deep games, and essentially everything that takes more than just passion to make.

Sure free stuff is nice, but having everything free means there's no point in sinking millions of dollars into development of movies, games, music etc...

[QUOTE="airmanwilkins"]Im not saying there will be a law passed were all intellectual property will be free. What I am saying is it will become the dominant way we receive our entertainment. it will happen regardless. Of coarse the copyright holders will fight piracy... they dont want to give up their position of power (Money). Honestly, I wouldnt give up the money without a fight either. But you CAN NOT win the battle against piracy. I liken it to events in history such as the printing press, when we first started to print information en mass. It was considered evil and at times outlawed. Same thing with movie theatres and HBO. HBO came out and theatre revenue dropped dramatically. My point is, Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it will no longer become piracy... but a socially acceptable form of receiving information And yes, I am aware that the communities I spoke of already exist... I love the fact that people donate money to game designers, ive done it myself. I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry. sharing is caring!

Oleg_Huzwog

Er... except for the minor detail that 600 years after the first printing press, the publishing industry is still going strong. Your comparison doesn't work.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="airmanwilkins"]Im not saying there will be a law passed were all intellectual property will be free. What I am saying is it will become the dominant way we receive our entertainment. it will happen regardless. Of coarse the copyright holders will fight piracy... they dont want to give up their position of power (Money). Honestly, I wouldnt give up the money without a fight either. But you CAN NOT win the battle against piracy. I liken it to events in history such as the printing press, when we first started to print information en mass. It was considered evil and at times outlawed. Same thing with movie theatres and HBO. HBO came out and theatre revenue dropped dramatically. My point is, Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it will no longer become piracy... but a socially acceptable form of receiving information And yes, I am aware that the communities I spoke of already exist... I love the fact that people donate money to game designers, ive done it myself. I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry. sharing is caring!

airmanwilkins

Er... except for the minor detail that 600 years after the first printing press, the publishing industry is still going strong. Your comparison doesn't work.

QFT, the publishing industry is a sinking boat.

My comparison works perfectly... perhaps i didnt explain well enough. Let me connect the dots for you. I never said the publishing industry was dead or even declining. What i was alluding to, for the sake of brevity, was that before the printing press was invented there were scribes who wrote everything down. The printing press threatend the way information was distributed back then, just as P2P sharing is now. The publishing industry is now the "scribe" of out time. Do you not see history repeating itself?

airmanwilkins

Yes, you did. You used the printing press to convey your point of "Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it longer become piracy" which led to your summation of "I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry."

So either yes, you directly implied the publishing industry was dead or dying... or your comparison doesn't work.

[QUOTE="airmanwilkins"]My comparison works perfectly... perhaps i didnt explain well enough. Let me connect the dots for you. I never said the publishing industry was dead or even declining. What i was alluding to, for the sake of brevity, was that before the printing press was invented there were scribes who wrote everything down. The printing press threatend the way information was distributed back then, just as P2P sharing is now. The publishing industry is now the "scribe" of out time. Do you not see history repeating itself?

Oleg_Huzwog

Yes, you did. You used the printing press to convey your point of "Information is getting easier to obtain and its only a matter of time before it longer become piracy" which led to your summation of "I'm just stating that game making will no longer be an industry."

So either yes, you directly implied the publishing industry was dead or dying... or your comparison doesn't work.