For those of you who have jobs, do you think a robot, machine and/or computer could eventually do your job?
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]My job is to travel back in time to kill the mother of a yet-to-be-born freedom fighter. I don't think a robot could do it.rawsavon**** me that was funny...thank you for that I will be here all week.
[QUOTE="_7h0m_"]Technicaly my job will be the absolute last to be replaced by robots, can you guess it? (and no don't say prostitution, even after that)mattbbplhmmmm... Engineer? (Robot designer)yeah ok I didn't expect for someone to blur it out so soon... i'm a software engineer. The day robots will be able to code, will be the day we'll have to seek another planet.
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="_7h0m_"]Technicaly my job will be the absolute last to be replaced by robots, can you guess it? (and no don't say prostitution, even after that)_7h0m_hmmmm... Engineer? (Robot designer)yeah ok I didn't expect for someone to blur it out so soon... i'm a software engineer. The day robots will be able to code, will be the day we'll have to seek another planet. Haha, sorry to spoil your fun. If it makes you feel any better, I'm also a software engineer.
the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
[QUOTE="LZ71"]I sure as hell hope it will.harashawnBut you'd be jobless... In a perfect world, robots should be used to replace all jobs... then you could take care of your family, read, play, grow and reach total human satisfaction. Yet the way it happens is robots are used to maximise the fortune of rich pigs. Think about it, the guy replacing a cashier with a robot won't reduce the price of goods, he'll keep the money the cashier was making. Can't wait for some peeps to respond back to me with a ''it's perfectly patriotic to do so!!''
But you'd be jobless... In a perfect world, robots should be used to replace all jobs... then you could take care of your family, read, play, grow and reach total human satisfaction. Yet the way it happens is robots are used to maximise the fortune of rich pigs. Think about it, the guy replacing a cashier with a robot won't reduce the price of goods, he'll keep the money the cashier was making. Can't wait for some peeps to respond back to me with a ''it's perfectly patriotic to do so!!'' While I would love to live in that world (robots do it all)...reality it will never be To counter your other point (just for fun) -the rich invest their money (much more so than the poor)...their money works for them (versus them working for their money) -so him making more money leads to new jobs (where his money gets invested)...the money multiplier effect[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="LZ71"]I sure as hell hope it will._7h0m_
But you'd be jobless... In a perfect world, robots should be used to replace all jobs... then you could take care of your family, read, play, grow and reach total human satisfaction. Yet the way it happens is robots are used to maximise the fortune of rich pigs. Think about it, the guy replacing a cashier with a robot won't reduce the price of goods, he'll keep the money the cashier was making. Can't wait for some peeps to respond back to me with a ''it's perfectly patriotic to do so!!'' The problem with this argument is it doesn't end there. Those people who lost their jobs are then free to produce other goods or services that the machines can't do. It's the same principle why the world wasn't thrown into chaos after the industrial revolutions of each country.[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="LZ71"]I sure as hell hope it will._7h0m_
the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type.[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type. There is a huge difference between machinery manipulated by humans.. and robotic workers. Corperations would have as few as possible employess as necessary to make profit.. if they could replace everybody with a machine.. they would. That's the nature of capitalism.the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
mattbbpl
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type.the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
mattbbpl
This, as well as that even if there are more robots and less workers, you will have to have more people who know how to design the robots and maintain them. You are not counting services, which makes up well more than half of developed economies anyway. I don't think there will be robots who could do things like accounting, financial services, or engineering completely automated for a long time just for starters. Nor do I believe that technology should be held back just to save jobs. That's all assuming that buying and maintaining what ought to be insanely complex robots for complex actions would be cheaper than just hiring skilled workers who would probably do a better job anyway. It's not as easy and clear cut as it seems.
What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]
the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
jetpower3
This, as well as that even if there are more robots and less workers, you will have to have more people who know how to design the robots and maintain them. You are not counting services, which makes up well more than half of developed economies anyway. I don't think there will be robots who could do things like accounting, financial services, or engineering completely automated for a long time just for starters. Nor do I believe that technology should be held back just to save jobs. That's all assuming that buying and maintaining what ought to be insanely complex robots for complex actions would be cheaper than just hiring skilled workers who would probably do a better job anyway. It's not as easy and clear cut as it seems.
only an elite few would engineer and design new robotic technologies. .. the robots themselves would manufacture the robots.the future of capitalism..
more robots.. less workers.. more profit.
untill the population is so bloated with unemployment that nobody can afford anything.. then the government will have to step in and install socialistic means to solve the problem.
SOCIALISM always wins.
What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type. There is a huge difference between machinery manipulated by humans.. and robotic workers. And I'm including robotic workers in that statement.[QUOTE="_7h0m_"]In a perfect world, robots should be used to replace all jobs... then you could take care of your family, read, play, grow and reach total human satisfaction. Yet the way it happens is robots are used to maximise the fortune of rich pigs. Think about it, the guy replacing a cashier with a robot won't reduce the price of goods, he'll keep the money the cashier was making. Can't wait for some peeps to respond back to me with a ''it's perfectly patriotic to do so!!'' While I would love to live in that world (robots do it all)...reality it will never be To counter your other point (just for fun) -the rich invest their money (much more so than the poor)...their money works for them (versus them working for their money) -so him making more money leads to new jobs (where his money gets invested)...the money multiplier effect That logic is broken in a world where machines are more effective than humans. The rich dude will buy machines to build his palace, not hire people.[QUOTE="harashawn"] But you'd be jobless... rawsavon
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] What are you talking about? Socialistic societies use machines to increase productivity too... The practice maximizes the effectiveness of an economy, regardless of its administration type.mattbbplThere is a huge difference between machinery manipulated by humans.. and robotic workers. And I'm including robotic workers in that statement. People would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost.
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] There is a huge difference between machinery manipulated by humans.. and robotic workers.EMOEVOLUTIONAnd I'm including robotic workers in that statement. People would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost. Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] And I'm including robotic workers in that statement.mattbbplPeople would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost. Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. to emoevolution's merit, there's been a huge shift to 'governement' jobs and full-on bureaucratic empires. It's a solution, that I semi-embrace.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] And I'm including robotic workers in that statement.mattbbplPeople would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost. Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="_7h0m_"] In a perfect world, robots should be used to replace all jobs... then you could take care of your family, read, play, grow and reach total human satisfaction. Yet the way it happens is robots are used to maximise the fortune of rich pigs. Think about it, the guy replacing a cashier with a robot won't reduce the price of goods, he'll keep the money the cashier was making. Can't wait for some peeps to respond back to me with a ''it's perfectly patriotic to do so!!''While I would love to live in that world (robots do it all)...reality it will never be To counter your other point (just for fun) -the rich invest their money (much more so than the poor)...their money works for them (versus them working for their money) -so him making more money leads to new jobs (where his money gets invested)...the money multiplier effect That logic is broken in a world where machines are more effective than humans. The rich dude will buy machines to build his palace, not hire people._7h0m_
I did not know we were talking about the dream world...if so then yes
I thought we were talking about reality...or the near future (where some/many jobs would be replaced but never all or the majority of jobs)
-in that world, he will still invest in other companies (stock markets) which fuels growth
-creates expansion/new ventures/new jobs
Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] People would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost.EMOEVOLUTION
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
OK, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Taken seriously, your proposing the government to step in and prevent the replacement of low-level jobs with robots, thereby permanently stunting our economies in order to prevent the overthrow of society by the social elite and their robotic armies. Taken seriously, it seems like fear-mongering that I'd previously associated with the conservative right rather than the liberal left.[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. mattbbpl
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
OK, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Taken seriously, your proposing the government to step in and prevent the replacement of low-level jobs with robots, thereby permanently stunting our economies in order to prevent the overthrow of society by the social elite and their robotic armies. Taken seriously, it seems like fear-mongering that I'd previously associated with the conservative right rather than the liberal left. I am absolutely being serious. Often times what appears to be progress.. is not real progress. Humans nature.. and this idea for progression often times seems absurd, and backwards to me.. when it's self destructive, and cannot be maintained over a long period of time.. without collapse and rebuilding. AS has been proven to be true throughout history. CLEARLY, progress, isn't working. And higher numbers in the economy.. doesn't necessarily equate to growth.Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] People would lose jobs, and their would be no replacement for those jobs lost.EMOEVOLUTION
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
It's a good thing that won't happen. Because you simply cannot have one or two overseers of, by your logic, hundreds of thousands of not tens of millions upon millions of robots. You would need a whole army of them per large corporation. And there are so many jobs in the world that require free thinking, with so much need and capacity. And with time, as society evolves and technology becomes more and more advanced and complex, the number of them needed will only grow and diversify infinitely. I cannot understand your logic.
I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Sure there would be. Why is it that when robotic workers became prevalent in the auto industry, those people they replaced weren't permanently out of work? Why is it that when candy makers were replaced with large machines, those workers weren't placed into a permanent state of unemployment? Ditto for carpenters, blacksmiths, and, well, just about everything. jetpower3
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
It's a good thing that won't happen. Because you simply cannot have one or two overseers of, by your logic, hundreds of thousands of not tens of millions upon millions of robots. You would need a whole army of them per large corporation. And there are so many jobs in the world that require free thinking, with so much need and capacity. And with time, as society evolves and technology becomes more and more advanced and complex, the number of them needed will only grow and diversify infinitely.
It is very likely that it will happen. Machines do not require health benefits or payment; it is much less expensive to use machines than to pay workers. Once Artificial Intelligence is improved on enough, there will be little need for human workers in any field.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.OK, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Taken seriously, your proposing the government to step in and prevent the replacement of low-level jobs with robots, thereby permanently stunting our economies in order to prevent the overthrow of society by the social elite and their robotic armies.There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
EMOEVOLUTION
Taken seriously, it seems like fear-mongering that I'd previously associated with the conservative right rather than the liberal left.
I am absolutely being serious. Often times what appears to be progress.. is not real progress. Humans nature.. and this idea for progression often times seems absurd, and backwards to me.. when it's self destructive, and cannot be maintained over a long period of time.. without collapse and rebuilding. AS has been proven to be true throughout history. CLEARLY, progress, isn't working. And higher numbers in the economy.. doesn't necessarily equate to growth. OK, let's assume what you say actually occurs and there are a handful of social elite handling the entire economy and everyone else has no job or income. Who are the social elites going to sell their products and services to that these millions of robots are creating?[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] I'm not sure this holds true.. considering the level of technology of simple machinery to automated robots that can fulfill almost any task. The only real available jobs would be left to humans are ones that require free thinking.. such as law enforcement... or medical field.. but many many factory workers, and hands on tradesman would be out of the job.. in mass quantities and you'd be left with 1 or 2 people over seeing a bunch of robots.
There is no doubt in my mind with a high enough technology majority of the human work force would be replaced .. and without the government stepping in to provide alternatives or prevent this.. there would be very little anyone could do about it. And the elite few who did get jobs.. would be the overseers of the robotic revolution.
harashawn
It's a good thing that won't happen. Because you simply cannot have one or two overseers of, by your logic, hundreds of thousands of not tens of millions upon millions of robots. You would need a whole army of them per large corporation. And there are so many jobs in the world that require free thinking, with so much need and capacity. And with time, as society evolves and technology becomes more and more advanced and complex, the number of them needed will only grow and diversify infinitely.
It is very likely that it will happen. Machines do not require health benefits or payment; it is much less expensive to use machines than to pay workers. Once Artificial Intelligence is improved on enough, there will be little need for human workers in any field.Machines require maintenance, which I'm sure can be just as costly. Especially considering we are talking about machines that can replace "human workers in every field." And by the time that even happens, if it ever does, we will all be long dead, and I have little doubt that the world will be almost unrecognizable.
I am absolutely being serious. Often times what appears to be progress.. is not real progress. Humans nature.. and this idea for progression often times seems absurd, and backwards to me.. when it's self destructive, and cannot be maintained over a long period of time.. without collapse and rebuilding. AS has been proven to be true throughout history. CLEARLY, progress, isn't working. And higher numbers in the economy.. doesn't necessarily equate to growth. OK, let's assume what you say actually occurs and there are a handful of social elite handling the entire economy and everyone else has no job or income. Who are the social elites going to sell their products and services to that these millions of robots are creating? I explained what would happen in the first post.. the unemployment rate would become unmanageable and the government would have to step in.[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] OK, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Taken seriously, your proposing the government to step in and prevent the replacement of low-level jobs with robots, thereby permanently stunting our economies in order to prevent the overthrow of society by the social elite and their robotic armies.
Taken seriously, it seems like fear-mongering that I'd previously associated with the conservative right rather than the liberal left.mattbbpl
It is very likely that it will happen. Machines do not require health benefits or payment; it is much less expensive to use machines than to pay workers. Once Artificial Intelligence is improved on enough, there will be little need for human workers in any field.[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="jetpower3"]
It's a good thing that won't happen. Because you simply cannot have one or two overseers of, by your logic, hundreds of thousands of not tens of millions upon millions of robots. You would need a whole army of them per large corporation. And there are so many jobs in the world that require free thinking, with so much need and capacity. And with time, as society evolves and technology becomes more and more advanced and complex, the number of them needed will only grow and diversify infinitely.
jetpower3
Machines require maintenance, which I'm sure can be just as costly. Especially considering we are talking about machines that can replace "human workers in every field." And by the time that even happens, if it ever does, we will all be long dead, and I have little doubt that the world will be almost unrecognizable.
maintaince that could be handled by few people.. robots would essentialy replace thousands of workers.. and you'd get 3 guys to fix your robot when it broke down.I am absolutely being serious. Often times what appears to be progress.. is not real progress. Humans nature.. and this idea for progression often times seems absurd, and backwards to me.. when it's self destructive, and cannot be maintained over a long period of time.. without collapse and rebuilding. AS has been proven to be true throughout history. CLEARLY, progress, isn't working. And higher numbers in the economy.. doesn't necessarily equate to growth. EMOEVOLUTIONOK, let's assume what you say actually occurs and there are a handful of social elite handling the entire economy and everyone else has no job or income. Who are the social elites going to sell their products and services to that these millions of robots are creating? I explained what would happen in the first post.. the unemployment rate would become unmanageable and the government would have to step in. And my point was the market would be unsustainable before it ever even got to that point.
[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="harashawn"] It is very likely that it will happen. Machines do not require health benefits or payment; it is much less expensive to use machines than to pay workers. Once Artificial Intelligence is improved on enough, there will be little need for human workers in any field. EMOEVOLUTION
Machines require maintenance, which I'm sure can be just as costly. Especially considering we are talking about machines that can replace "human workers in every field." And by the time that even happens, if it ever does, we will all be long dead, and I have little doubt that the world will be almost unrecognizable.
maintaince that could be handled by few people.. robots would essentialy replace thousands of workers.. and you'd get 3 guys to fix your robot when it broke down. Yes, I'm sure 3 guys per corporation can handle an army of robots :roll:.[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="jetpower3"]maintaince that could be handled by few people.. robots would essentialy replace thousands of workers.. and you'd get 3 guys to fix your robot when it broke down. Yes, I'm sure 3 guys per corporation can handle an army of robots :roll:. The job loss would still be substantial. And yes.. there would be relatively few workers.. all the workers wouldn't simply switcher over to robot maintenance . that would defeat the purpose of having robots to lower expenses. Over 80% of the general labor work force would be replaced. AND maybe, more.Machines require maintenance, which I'm sure can be just as costly. Especially considering we are talking about machines that can replace "human workers in every field." And by the time that even happens, if it ever does, we will all be long dead, and I have little doubt that the world will be almost unrecognizable.
jetpower3
What would happen is this:
Worker A is assigned to all robots in section 1.. and his section includes 2500 reobots. OR whatever number you want to use
Worker B is assigned to all robots in section 2.. and so on.
really the job lose would be huge in the general factory environment. IT's all ready happened to some degree.
The future we strive to cut costs.. the more jobs are lost. It's a compounding effect that gets worst each time you introduce a new set of technology to replace the human element.
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