Could Adolf ****, Osama bin Laden and the sort go to heaven?

Hitler committed suicide so no. If the Christian God is the real God, then Osama Bin Laden can't because he's muslim.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]If they were truly sorry then yesGHlegend77

Don't eat with your mouth open MJ.

Well, assuming this the Abrahamic God, no. Hitler had 6 million+ Jews murdered, God's Chosen. He likely will not look favorably upon that. I can not say for Osama. He breeds hate and malevolence, and that is something that God is usually against, but at the same time he thinks he is doing God's work. The almighty may pity his soul more than anything, and allow him in. Not saying what he did wasn't horrible or that he would definitely go to heaven, but I think he'd have a better chance than Hitlerclayron

[QUOTE="Master_Live"] And what would happen if someone, lets say, is in heaven and sees Adolf and "disagrees" about his inclusion. Could someone "object" to him being there? Just asking.

Osaka-06

The guys who thought up the Bible didn't think of senarios liike those when they wrote it. Anyways, yes, according to Bible logic, they CAN enter heaven, if they truly regret and feel sorry for what they did. I also fail to see why you put Osama in the same category as Hitler

Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main obstacle to Hitler getting into heaven, though, would be the fact that he committed suicide. Suicide, at least in Catholicism, is the unforgivable sin. It is a sin for which repentance is impossible, because once committed, the sinner is already dead.

So the answer is no.

I believe so. Only if they were honestly from the bottom of their heart sorry.

Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main obstacle to Hitler getting into heaven, though, would be the fact that he committed suicide. Suicide, at least in Catholicism, is the unforgivable sin. It is a sin for which repentance is impossible, because once committed, the sinner is already dead.

So the answer is no.

dkrustyklown

So a person's spirit no longer has the ability to feel true guilt and repent? That doesn't seem right. Besides, if suicide is truly an unforgivable sin, then a large portion of the world is screwed even with Jesus's help. Suicide is suicide, whether it takes a few seconds or a few decades.

Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main obstacle to Hitler getting into heaven, though, would be the fact that he committed suicide. Suicide, at least in Catholicism, is the unforgivable sin. It is a sin for which repentance is impossible, because once committed, the sinner is already dead.

So the answer is no.

dkrustyklown

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main obstacle to Hitler getting into heaven, though, would be the fact that he committed suicide. Suicide, at least in Catholicism, is the unforgivable sin. It is a sin for which repentance is impossible, because once committed, the sinner is already dead.

So the answer is no.

MystikFollower

So a person's spirit no longer has the ability to feel true guilt and repent? That doesn't seem right. Besides, if suicide is truly an unforgivable sin, then a large portion of the world is screwed even with Jesus's help. Suicide is suicide, whether it takes a few seconds or a few decades.

It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

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[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main obstacle to Hitler getting into heaven, though, would be the fact that he committed suicide. Suicide, at least in Catholicism, is the unforgivable sin. It is a sin for which repentance is impossible, because once committed, the sinner is already dead.

So the answer is no.

lightleggy

So a person's spirit no longer has the ability to feel true guilt and repent? That doesn't seem right. Besides, if suicide is truly an unforgivable sin, then a large portion of the world is screwed even with Jesus's help. Suicide is suicide, whether it takes a few seconds or a few decades.

Well, I'm referring to the millions of people who commit suicide every day by eating horrifically unhealthy food and smoking chains of dangerous chemical filled cigarettes. I know how it's supposed to work in Christianity and whatnot, but I just don't think that it's right. If I did something I needed to repent for, and was killed before I had the chance to repent, what then?

It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

Snipes_2

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It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

lightleggy

Or even if he did die. For all we know he escaped and lived out his remaining years with Bigfoot and Elvis, in a peaceful secluded cottage on the edge of a scenic lake.

I don't think so, their faiths are screwed and people like Bin Laden gives muslims a bad name.

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It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

lightleggy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler#Suicide

I don't think so, their faiths are screwed and people like Bin Laden gives muslims a bad name.

Mercenary848

There's nothing wrong with their faith. Just the people who are using that faith as a justification to commit terrible acts.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

MystikFollower

Or even if he did die. For all we know he escaped and lived out his remaining years with Bigfoot and Elvis, in a peaceful secluded cottage on the edge of a scenic lake.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

Snipes_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler#Suicide

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I will say it one more time: hitler suicide was never confirmed and his body was never found, we cant tell how he died...lightleggy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler#Suicide

Yes the could. If h|tler did not kill himself (which i think is a sin) all they would need to do before death is to pray to god for forgiveness and basically say "yeah I am reallly sorry about all that I have done, I miss judged circumstances and fell to the hands of the devil. I am willing to wash clean my sins and ready to party it up with jesus" teh end. That is the beauty of religon, it teachs you to accept people for what they do and to basically say "its gods will".

Even saw on the TV how people "forgave" what raul moat did, (dude kills people) because its the christian thing to do.

In all seriousness none of the above that I just wrote makes me sick when people actually practice that. Some tthings can be forgiven but somethings those people should not be allowed to live.

It is certainly possible...

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So, only Christians can go to heaven?

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

GabuEx

It's always kind of struck me as a bit of a dick move for God to have (allegedly) set up this wonderful afterlife that's constant bliss but then make its attainment contingent on effectively who a person's parents are, what their environment is when growing up, and to what they're exposed to during life, all of which is wholly out of their control.

I'm fairly certain that God will take all factors of relative importance into account.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

It may be possible. IF they repented for their sins before they died. Although Hitler Committed Suicide so...It's highly unlikely. Bin Laden is also Highly unlikely.

MystikFollower

Or even if he did die. For all we know he escaped and lived out his remaining years with Bigfoot and Elvis, in a peaceful secluded cottage on the edge of a scenic lake.

hitler killed tupac

No one knows, except God.

No, they couldn't as far as i know...

Well if we are talking about the abrahamic god here, and if we are assuming the abrahamic god exists, I would say yes. They just have so much in common with each other.

I think it is easy to want forgiveness moments before your own death. At that point it is not usually motivated by genuine sorrow over what you have done, but by fear of the consequences you may now face for what you have done. God is ultimately the final judge of the heart thankfully.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I will say it one more time: hitler suicide was never confirmed and his body was never found, we cant tell how he died...lightleggy

Or even if he did die. For all we know he escaped and lived out his remaining years with Bigfoot and Elvis, in a peaceful secluded cottage on the edge of a scenic lake.

No he lives. The Nazis discovered the fountain of youth and he stole it before letting the Third Reich fall.

WOW, I just found out that H-tler is a censored word in Gamespot. Quite lame.

Master_Live

I was thinking the same thing. :roll:

I wouldn't either.. but that isn't for me to judge what would really happen to him.

remember this is the same God that unleashed the 8 plagues on Egypt, one of which was executing all the first borns of Egypt...

it's ethical qualms like this that i throw my hands up and give up...

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]If they were truly sorry then yesth3warr1or

well you could argue god made them that way.. And Hitler had sifilace and got screwed up from being gassed as a runner in world war 1 which contributed to his craziness.. So if hes crazy hows it his fault?.. This is one thing I always thought made no sense about the heaven/hell thing

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Of course, assuming such a place exists. Neither of them did anything with the thought "Oh, btw, I'm the bad guy." they act on the principal that they are doing it for the good. And this should be heavily considered when you approach people like this.mindstorm

ok.. Well say god has a problem with us eating meat, and killing animals etc. And we just find that out right when we get up there.. Our defense for it is going to be pretty much the exact same as hitlers.. Oh well I didnt know what I was doing was wrong, I thought I was the good guy I was just doing what I needed to do to ensuremy own safety. etc.

It's threads like this that make me hope there is a god, but it isn't the Christian god. The bible kind of makes him out to be really mean, i mean he has heaven, and it has everything you ever wanted, but god forbid you are born in some random place in africa or asia, you were a native american or an eskimo, you haven't heard the word of christ so you are on the 5 AM flight to hell. Huh what? Your parents were both Hindu's and you've chosen Hinduism as your religion? TO HELL WITH YOU!

It's threads like this that make me hope there is a god, but it isn't the Christian god. The bible kind of makes him out to be really mean, i mean he has heaven, and it has everything you ever wanted, but god forbid you are born in some random place in africa or asia, you were a native american or an eskimo, you haven't heard the word of christ so you are on the 5 AM flight to hell. Huh what? Your parents were both Hindu's and you've chosen Hinduism as your religion? TO HELL WITH YOU!

FrostyPhantasm

It's threads like this that make me hope there is a god, but it isn't the Christian god. The bible kind of makes him out to be really mean, i mean he has heaven, and it has everything you ever wanted, but god forbid you are born in some random place in africa or asia, you were a native american or an eskimo, you haven't heard the word of christ so you are on the 5 AM flight to hell. Huh what? Your parents were both Hindu's and you've chosen Hinduism as your religion? TO HELL WITH YOU!

FrostyPhantasm

It's logic like that, which made me realize the Abrahamic God almost certainly doesn't exist, and the God that religion has mistaken as the "Abrahamic" God, is probably NOTHING like we could ever conceive. We certainly couldn't understand and know the desires and thought processes of a being such as that.

It's threads like this that make me hope there is a god, but it isn't the Christian god. The bible kind of makes him out to be really mean, i mean he has heaven, and it has everything you ever wanted, but god forbid you are born in some random place in africa or asia, you were a native american or an eskimo, you haven't heard the word of christ so you are on the 5 AM flight to hell. Huh what? Your parents were both Hindu's and you've chosen Hinduism as your religion? TO HELL WITH YOU!

FrostyPhantasm

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Cherokee_Jack

Then why the need to be saved at all? If God is just going to judge people by their lives and still allow them into Heaven, when they haven't encountered Christ, why must the people who have heard of Christ repent and accept him as God? If I hear of Christ and decide that I want to follow his ideals and lead his example in helping and loving others, but I decide not to accept his divinity, then I am condemned? I can spend the rest of my life helping others, loving others, following Jesus's example, and believing in God, but if I don't accept that He is God, then I go to Hell. Does not seem fair or logical.

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MystikFollower

Then why the need to be saved at all? If God is just going to judge people by their lives and still allow them into Heaven, when they haven't encountered Christ, why must the people who have heard of Christ repent and accept him as God? If I hear of Christ and decide that I want to follow his ideals and lead his example in helping and loving others, but I decide not to accept his divinity, then I am condemned? I can spend the rest of my life helping others, loving others, following Jesus's example, and believing in God, but if I don't accept that He is God, then I go to Hell. Does not seem fair or logical.

So an Athiest who spends his life following a good moral code can make it across the ocean that is this life. But it's much easier for something to go wrong and he could drown along the way.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]

MystikFollower

Then why the need to be saved at all? If God is just going to judge people by their lives and still allow them into Heaven, when they haven't encountered Christ, why must the people who have heard of Christ repent and accept him as God? If I hear of Christ and decide that I want to follow his ideals and lead his example in helping and loving others, but I decide not to accept his divinity, then I am condemned? I can spend the rest of my life helping others, loving others, following Jesus's example, and believing in God, but if I don't accept that He is God, then I go to Hell. Does not seem fair or logical.

God doesn't judge people by their lives. If he did we'd all be screwed...but those who are saved aren't judged that way, which is why it's called being saved.

God knewHitlah were going to ask for forgiveness, so he was allowed in either way

Don't know why Osama wouldn't be allowedin though

well depends on which religion.

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Few Christians actually believe that people who don't ever hear the gospel have no hope of being saved. It would make no sense in context of everything else the Bible teaches about salvation.ferrari2001

Then why the need to be saved at all? If God is just going to judge people by their lives and still allow them into Heaven, when they haven't encountered Christ, why must the people who have heard of Christ repent and accept him as God? If I hear of Christ and decide that I want to follow his ideals and lead his example in helping and loving others, but I decide not to accept his divinity, then I am condemned? I can spend the rest of my life helping others, loving others, following Jesus's example, and believing in God, but if I don't accept that He is God, then I go to Hell. Does not seem fair or logical.

So an Athiest who spends his life following a good moral code can make it across the ocean that is this life. But it's much easier for something to go wrong and he could drown along the way.

I can accept that. It's not to often I hear from someone who's about to become a priest, that you can take other paths to God, and still get there. I've always just been told, Christ is the One path and the ONLY way to God, which I couldn't buy for a second. Perhaps my path will still be slightly less arduous since I am trying to follow Christ's example and his teachings about compassion and humility. Maybe. it'll give my life raft one of those nice little motors to help speed me across :P.