Current social conservatism ideology will die in the future.

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#1 Jebus213
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How does that make you feel?
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#2 Charazani
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I certainly hope so.
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#3 Assassin_87
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That's fine. Social conservatism is not benefiting society in any way, and I would hope that it will soon die out.

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#4 Nonstop-Madness
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At some point, yes but it could take hundreds of years.
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#5 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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What part of it?

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#6 Jebus213
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What part of it?

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Pro-life, anti-gay marriage, opposition to teaching evolution in school, etc. The general stuff.
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Society won't improve much until it embraces social libertarianism.

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#8 BossPerson
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Society won't improve much until it embraces social libertarianism.

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While I hope that day comes, it doesn't look like its coming anytime soon.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

What part of it?

Jebus213
Pro-life, anti-gay marriage, opposition to teaching evolution in school, etc. The general stuff.

Yes to gay marriage and evolution stuff, no to the rest of the general stuff like gun control and the attitudes of abortion.
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#10 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Let's hope, but I'm sure there will those who go kicking and screaming.

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Wet.

Statistics have it looking up!!

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#12 YoshiYogurt
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Feels good. Conservatism is a stupid idea. There's nothing to "conserve' at the moment besides the pockets of the rich.
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Depends, even among social conservatives there are different levels, but I don't think it will. There is nothing inherently wrong with social conservative values themselves, despite what the OT community around here thinks (ironically they call social cons closed minded but yet they do the same thing), social conservatism is very strong and even growing in some areas.

I don't agree with all aspects of it, but I do agree with them on abortion and I tend to favor Civil Unions, but that is really about it. But the important thing to remember, and I wish OT people would see it, is that Social Conservatives are not stupid or bad people, they just have a different way of viewing the world. Wether you agree with that view or not is a different thing, but they are not the stupid evil red necks you guys make them out to be.

At my college one guy is a staunch social conservative and yet he is going to be a Doctor and he speaks about 6 languages. He is not stupid at all.

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#14 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Obviously. Still makes no sense to me why someone would want to be socially Conservative.

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#15 ghoklebutter
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It most certainly will.
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#16 DroidPhysX
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Obviously. Still makes no sense to me why someone would want to be socially Conservative.

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#17 Barbariser
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Hopefully this is the case, since 90% of socially conservative positions are stupid and the remaining 10% are even stupider.

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Depends, even among social conservatives there are different levels, but I don't think it will. There is nothing inherently wrong with social conservative values themselves, despite what the OT community around here thinks (ironically they call social cons closed minded but yet they do the same thing), social conservatism is very strong and even growing in some areas.

I don't agree with all aspects of it, but I do agree with them on abortion and I tend to favor Civil Unions, but that is really about it. But the important thing to remember, and I wish OT people would see it, is that Social Conservatives are not stupid or bad people, they just have a different way of viewing the world. Wether you agree with that view or not is a different thing, but they are not the stupid evil red necks you guys make them out to be.

At my college one guy is a staunch social conservative and yet he is going to be a Doctor and he speaks about 6 languages. He is not stupid at all.

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It never bothers me that someone is socially conservative until they make a moral judgement about me. If I identify myself as pro-choice or of supporting gay marriage, at best, I get eye-roll and at worst, I get a sermon. Sometimes this comes form my own extended family. It's the same thing as religion. You are welcome to do your thing as long as I can do mine. The problem with feeling that way is that social conservatism is a significant part of the political system. I can listen to many social conservative politicians, because in their mind, I'm wrong, morally wrong, and I'm the one who needs to change. I apparently want to destroy tradittional marriage and want to kill babies.
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#19 Communist_Soul
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Hopefully, that ideology is the plague of humanity, the sooner it dies the better. Nothing good has ever come from it.

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If it means marijuana becomes legal i could care less if pro gay multiple bi marriage is legal. America can crown obama king and romney queen for life as long as weed is legal uhhh that's social conservatism stopping that right?
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#21 Ace6301
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Social conservatives are a silly lot who should ideally draw the ire of every person who is not a social conservative. They've ruined the Republican party, disrespect women and attempt to keep gays from being equal.
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#22 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Obviously. Still makes no sense to me why someone would want to be socially Conservative.

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#23 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Depends, even among social conservatives there are different levels, but I don't think it will. There is nothing inherently wrong with social conservative values themselves, despite what the OT community around here thinks (ironically they call social cons closed minded but yet they do the same thing), social conservatism is very strong and even growing in some areas.

I don't agree with all aspects of it, but I do agree with them on abortion and I tend to favor Civil Unions, but that is really about it. But the important thing to remember, and I wish OT people would see it, is that Social Conservatives are not stupid or bad people, they just have a different way of viewing the world. Wether you agree with that view or not is a different thing, but they are not the stupid evil red necks you guys make them out to be.

At my college one guy is a staunch social conservative and yet he is going to be a Doctor and he speaks about 6 languages. He is not stupid at all.

jimkabrhel

It never bothers me that someone is socially conservative until they make a moral judgement about me. If I identify myself as pro-choice or of supporting gay marriage, at best, I get eye-roll and at worst, I get a sermon. Sometimes this comes form my own extended family. It's the same thing as religion. You are welcome to do your thing as long as I can do mine. The problem with feeling that way is that social conservatism is a significant part of the political system. I can listen to many social conservative politicians, because in their mind, I'm wrong, morally wrong, and I'm the one who needs to change. I apparently want to destroy tradittional marriage and want to kill babies.

Again that is a bit of a generalisation. Do you know every social conservative out there? Around where I live, it's the opposite. I don't agree with social conservatives on very much, but I am Pro Life and I've been preached to by many pro choice people, some gay people have been preachy with me as well because I chose not to go to a gay union.

I don't preach my views to other people, I try to live my life by being an example for people, by being a good person. Like abortion for instance, I find abortion disgusting and I find pro choice people to be on the wrong side of history, but I do not judge them.

Nor do I judge the women that have them. Instead I want to work with people to find alternatives, to help them be aware of different ways and why life is a sacred thing. I want children to be born, that is my goal, not to condemn people.

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If it means marijuana becomes legal i could care less if pro gay multiple bi marriage is legal. America can crown obama king and romney queen for life as long as weed is legal uhhh that's social conservatism stopping that right?playmynutz

Yes to answer your question

Also, I like the idea of King Obama and Queen Romney

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As long as I am alive you can be certain that there is at least one person who is pro-life.
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#26 Socijalisticka
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Neoconservatives aren't conservative.

Conservatives - Monarchism, Aristocracy, Federalism, Fascism

Liberals - Classical, Modern, Neoconservatism

Socialism can fall under either.

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As long as I am alive you can be certain that there is at least one person who is pro-life.mindstorm
You realize pro lifers don't abort every pregnancy they have right?

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Yeah it probably will. Most people aren't capable of self control which is what conservatism is all about. It is kind of sad. I really think humanity is on the verge of being something greater than the animals that most people are. Unfortunately, people keep proving me wrong by killing off their children, taking mind altering substances for fun, and having uncontrolled sex.

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Unfortunately, people keep proving me wrong by killing off their children, taking mind altering substances for fun, and having uncontrolled sex.

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That's not what being non-conservative is about. I can already see that you're a conservative nutjob by that silly 100% anti communist sig.
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Yeah it probably will. Most people aren't capable of self control which is what conservatism is all about. It is kind of sad. I really think humanity is on the verge of being something greater than the animals that most people are. Unfortunately, people keep proving me wrong by killing off their children, taking mind altering substances for fun, and having uncontrolled sex.

hoola

So people are animals that need to be controlled according to you? you sick f*ck

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We can only hope it does, and quickly.
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I'm not so optimistic.
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How does that make you feel?Jebus213
No it won't
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#34 Sajo7
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Yep, a lot of younger conservatives don't care for the GOP's stance on social issues. Hopefully they'll bring the GOP back to proper form.
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#35 branketra
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How does that make you feel?Jebus213
Conserving values is not bad at all. In fact, there are many times that it is a good thing. However, the garbage people attempt to filter through generations of change should be left behind.
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Yeah it probably will. Most people aren't capable of self control which is what conservatism is all about. It is kind of sad. I really think humanity is on the verge of being something greater than the animals that most people are. Unfortunately, people keep proving me wrong by killing off their children, taking mind altering substances for fun, and having uncontrolled sex.

hoola

Damn, usually a circle jerk takes more than one person, but god damn you've done it!!!

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It has to. The Republican Party will not grow otherwise.

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]How does that make you feel?Jacobistheman
No it won't

already is dying.

only gonna get worse for dem bigots :)

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[QUOTE="hoola"]

Yeah it probably will. Most people aren't capable of self control which is what conservatism is all about. It is kind of sad. I really think humanity is on the verge of being something greater than the animals that most people are. Unfortunately, people keep proving me wrong by killing off their children, taking mind altering substances for fun, and having uncontrolled sex.

Bane_09

So people are animals that need to be controlled according to you? you sick f*ck

The only process of subhumanising derives from the nihilistic, sensual commodified human depravity, praised by liberalism as the emancipation of the self.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Depends, even among social conservatives there are different levels, but I don't think it will. There is nothing inherently wrong with social conservative values themselves, despite what the OT community around here thinks (ironically they call social cons closed minded but yet they do the same thing), social conservatism is very strong and even growing in some areas.

I don't agree with all aspects of it, but I do agree with them on abortion and I tend to favor Civil Unions, but that is really about it. But the important thing to remember, and I wish OT people would see it, is that Social Conservatives are not stupid or bad people, they just have a different way of viewing the world. Wether you agree with that view or not is a different thing, but they are not the stupid evil red necks you guys make them out to be.

At my college one guy is a staunch social conservative and yet he is going to be a Doctor and he speaks about 6 languages. He is not stupid at all.

ShadowMoses900

It never bothers me that someone is socially conservative until they make a moral judgement about me. If I identify myself as pro-choice or of supporting gay marriage, at best, I get eye-roll and at worst, I get a sermon. Sometimes this comes form my own extended family. It's the same thing as religion. You are welcome to do your thing as long as I can do mine. The problem with feeling that way is that social conservatism is a significant part of the political system. I can listen to many social conservative politicians, because in their mind, I'm wrong, morally wrong, and I'm the one who needs to change. I apparently want to destroy tradittional marriage and want to kill babies.

Again that is a bit of a generalisation. Do you know every social conservative out there? Around where I live, it's the opposite. I don't agree with social conservatives on very much, but I am Pro Life and I've been preached to by many pro choice people, some gay people have been preachy with me as well because I chose not to go to a gay union.

I don't preach my views to other people, I try to live my life by being an example for people, by being a good person. Like abortion for instance, I find abortion disgusting and I find pro choice people to be on the wrong side of history, but I do not judge them.

Nor do I judge the women that have them. Instead I want to work with people to find alternatives, to help them be aware of different ways and why life is a sacred thing. I want children to be born, that is my goal, not to condemn people.

I think many of the social issues are valid on both sides... but Gay marriage and gay people should not be an issue. You favor civil unions? So you favor other people not having what you have? Its 2012, being gay is not a choice, and if two people love each other, they should be able to legally say "we are a married couple". I would love to drag you into the 21st century, as well as anyone else who actuallty has anything anti-gay to say in the slightest. I cant wait till all this old-fashioned thinking dies off.

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*Looks at the last 60 years* *See's people denying*
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another thread that highlights the most important issues of OT: abortion and gay marriage
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You're relying on electricity to never stop functioning. You can't guarantee it.
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How does that make you feel?Jebus213
Late? America hasn't lived by a social conservative code of conduct for decades.
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I don't think it really matters because social issues aren't what Americans care about right now. It's really the terrible economy that's not getting better.
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It's troubling that words such as "liberal" and "conservative" have had their meanings grossly distorted by politickers. It makes it difficult to have any kind of coherent and meaningful discussion about politics.
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As long as I am alive you can be certain that there is at least one person who is pro-life.mindstorm

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It's troubling that words such as "liberal" and "conservative" have had their meanings grossly distorted by politickers. It makes it difficult to have any kind of coherent and meaningful discussion about politics.Laihendi
Well yes and no. Liberal and conservative have always meant wildly different things for different states and different situations. But the American definitions are getting pretty strange, what example were you thinking of in particular?