Cyberwar: Your thoughts?

I'm surprised more folks aren't talking about what I would consider cyber warfare. You have hackers attacking major corporate web sites right now in support of WikiLeaks. I have no idea how this may impact me as a third-party, but it makes me very, very nervous when the government and major financial institutions comes under attack by hackers regardless of their motivation.

And where's Angelina Jolie when you need her?

Thoughts?

Boz

I'm surprised more folks aren't talking about what I would consider cyber warfare.

Thoughts?

Bozanimal

This.

I think if you are fighting a war, you should make yourself known to your enemy. FragStains

I think if you are fighting a war, you should make yourself known to your enemy. FragStains

Yes I think it is a modern kind of war and I support those attacking in the name of Wikileaks 100%. It is about time that what common people think have some kind of power over large corrupt organizations.kuraimen

[QUOTE="FragStains"]I think if you are fighting a war, you should make yourself known to your enemy. darkfox101

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Yes I think it is a modern kind of war and I support those attacking in the name of Wikileaks 100%. It is about time that what common people think have some kind of power over large corrupt organizations.ohthemanatee

I always found it hilarious how movies display hacking as someone in front of a computer trying to navigate through a graphical cyber maze :lol:

Real hacking is sifting through lines of text on a black screen.

I always found it hilarious how movies display hacking as someone in front of a computer trying to navigate through a graphical cyber maze :lol:

Real hacking is sifting through lines of text on a black screen.

entropyecho

Forget Angelina Jolie, we need:

I think this does constitute as some form of cyber warfare.

I remember reading in Wired magazine that Estonia and Russia were involved in some "cyber warfare." Now, that's hardcore.

I remember reading in Wired magazine that Estonia and Russia were involved in some "cyber warfare." Now, that's hardcore.

entropyecho

Yeah and Iran was the subject of cyberwarfare recently, a never before seen kind of weapon actually. I wouldn't be surprised if the US or another of its lackeys was behind it. Of course mainstream media outlets mostly center around Russia since they are supposed to be the "bad guys" even though Russia denies their involvement and those outlets also diminish the importance of the Iran attack. This is the kind of thing why we need Wikileaks for.

Weapon used against Iran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Yes I think it is a modern kind of war and I support those attacking in the name of Wikileaks 100%. It is about time that what common people think have some kind of power over large corrupt organizations.kuraimen

Attacks by WikiLeaks supporters are certainly not reflective of "the common man." What WikiLeaks has done isn't noble, it's irresponsible behavior that jeopardizes the lives of real people living and working worldwide; not just US citizens. The next time a civilian is killed in an attack that one of those leaked documents revealed as a "US" asset - and there are a LOT of foreign, non-military businesses and facilities listed - explain to their families that it was in support of free speech. What happens when Mastercard customer data is accidentally leaked (DoS attacks may not result in this, but who's to say where the hacking stops?) and the credit of thousands of lower- and middle-class families is released or damaged? What good are WikiLeaks or the Hackers really accomplishing?

Shame on our government for allowing sensitive information to leak, shame on WikiLeaks for providing it to the general world populace, and shame on the hackers for causing more grief and misery. It's an awful, awful situation that is only being aggravated; the last thing we need is a Cyberwar on top of all the other issues faced by the world.

Boz

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If only people would wise up and use BSD. :(

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Yes I think it is a modern kind of war and I support those attacking in the name of Wikileaks 100%. It is about time that what common people think have some kind of power over large corrupt organizations.Bozanimal

Attacks by WikiLeaks supporters are certainly not reflective of "the common man." What WikiLeaks has done isn't noble, it's irresponsible behavior that jeopardizes the lives of real people living and working worldwide; not just US citizens. The next time a civilian is killed in an attack that one of those leaked documents revealed as a "US" asset - and there are a LOT of foreign, non-military businesses and facilities listed - explain to their families that it was in support of free speech. What happens when Mastercard customer data is accidentally leaked (DoS attacks may not result in this, but who's to say where the hacking stops?) and the credit of thousands of lower- and middle-class families is released or damaged? What good are WikiLeaks or the Hackers really accomplishing?

Shame on our government for allowing sensitive information to leak, shame on WikiLeaks for providing it to the general world populace, and shame on the hackers for causing more grief and misery. It's an awful, awful situation that is only being aggravated; the last thing we need is a Cyberwar on top of all the other issues faced by the world.

Boz

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I remember reading in Wired magazine that Estonia and Russia were involved in some "cyber warfare." Now, that's hardcore.

entropyecho

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

I remember reading in Wired magazine that Estonia and Russia were involved in some "cyber warfare." Now, that's hardcore.

GazaAli

Here's the article if anyone is interested.

At least Wikileaks has not caused any death or killed innocent people directly unlike the US government. In fact what you just described as "irresponsible behavior that jeopardizes the lives of real people living and working worldwide; not just US citizens." is exactly what the US government has done by unlawfully attacking countries and carpet bombing cities. Organizations like Wikileaks can hopefully help prevent some of that and that's why I support them. Even if there is not ALL the people supporting Wikileaks it is a good enough number for a start and hopefully for a significant change.kuraimen

THe US Government has its own issues, and there are certainly many instances of unethical, unlawful, and grossly negligent behavior by the US Government, but that does not justify the actions of WikiLeaks, and certainly not the hackers.

Boz

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] At least Wikileaks has not caused any death or killed innocent people directly unlike the US government. In fact what you just described as "irresponsible behavior that jeopardizes the lives of real people living and working worldwide; not just US citizens." is exactly what the US government has done by unlawfully attacking countries and carpet bombing cities. Organizations like Wikileaks can hopefully help prevent some of that and that's why I support them. Even if there is not ALL the people supporting Wikileaks it is a good enough number for a start and hopefully for a significant change.Bozanimal

THe US Government has its own issues, and there are certainly many instances of unethical, unlawful, and grossly negligent behavior by the US Government, but that does not justify the actions of WikiLeaks, and certainly not the hackers.

Boz

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

I remember reading in Wired magazine that Estonia and Russia were involved in some "cyber warfare." Now, that's hardcore.

entropyecho

Here's the article if anyone is interested.

In the same way teepeeing your neighbors house is warfare.

I would agree with that if there were any other effective ways to fight against such powerful forces but I'm afraid there aren't. The US has proven they can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions and the "we take care of our own bad apples" rhetoric is not true. Wikileaks represents a new, powerful and, hopefully, effective way to counter these issues. Even if their actions could cause problems to innocent people it pales in comparison to what a force like the US causes so I think it is justified. Setting a precedent for a more open, honest and straightforward world of politics can only be a good thing IMO.kuraimen

The first thing that came through my head when i heard "cyber warfare" was Tron! And that should be the title for the next call of duty. Imagine this, Call Of Duty: Cyber Warfare. 8)

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I would agree with that if there were any other effective ways to fight against such powerful forces but I'm afraid there aren't. The US has proven they can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions and the "we take care of our own bad apples" rhetoric is not true. Wikileaks represents a new, powerful and, hopefully, effective way to counter these issues. Even if their actions could cause problems to innocent people it pales in comparison to what a force like the US causes so I think it is justified. Setting a precedent for a more open, honest and straightforward world of politics can only be a good thing IMO.Bozanimal

The hackers could be a group of people that have good or bad intentions I don't personally know any of them but the message they are trying to transmit is that anyone who opposes this very important and crucial change won't be met without a defensive strategy and that's a powerful message. Scary? yeah could be but necessary? I think so yes and very much. The time to accept things passively and remain silence is over, I can't sit there seeing the world go to where it is going and pretend everything is working like it has to.kuraimen