Deadliest Warrior SWAT vs GSG Bias?

you think that match was Bias? its not about the mock battle(final battle) based on computer results. giving the "edge" doesnt really matter. its all in the numbers. or is it? i dont know what do you think?

you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.LoG-Sacrament

This is so true.

you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.LoG-Sacrament

Fun to learn their equipment and tactics.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.Wasdie

Fun to learn their equipment and tactics.

Exactly what I was going to say. That "super secret program" they use is probably the producers flipping a coin.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.LoG-Sacrament

Fun to learn their equipment and tactics.

Exactly what I was going to say. That "super secret program" they use is probably the producers flipping a coin.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.Legendaryscmt

Fun to learn their equipment and tactics.

Exactly what I was going to say. That "super secret program" they use is probably the producers flipping a coin.

I don't care who wins. I just like watching them chop, bash, stab and blow things up with cool weapons.

Here's the story on the 'program.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slitherine_Strategies

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you cant take the results of that show seriously to begin with. deadliest warrior is an exuse for blowing up rubber heads and cutting pigs in two. its by no means the final word on combat effectiveness.Legendaryscmt

Fun to learn their equipment and tactics.

Exactly what I was going to say. That "super secret program" they use is probably the producers flipping a coin.

well i guess it might be that, it thought the "SUPER SECRET PROGRAM" had everything in it. like strategy, Sniper bullet leads, and etc. well i guess its just a coin

Here's the story on the 'program.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slitherine_Strategies

rockguy92

Well the GSG-9 should have won. Shotguns are more for breaching tactics, the GSG-9 would be equipped with HK MP7s for CQB. Also the fact that they gave the SPD the advantage because it makes "bigger holes" upsets me slightly. The G36 is a very modern and reliable weapon where the SPD is only an AR-15 variant with a superior round. I hate the AR-15 design to begin and I will give the 6.8 credit for being a spectacular round, but the G36 is the superior weapon.RAMRODtheMASTER

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Here's the story on the 'program.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slitherine_Strategies

gugler990

Well the GSG-9 should have won. Shotguns are more for breaching tactics, the GSG-9 would be equipped with HK MP7s for CQB. Also the fact that they gave the SPD the advantage because it makes "bigger holes" upsets me slightly. The G36 is a very modern and reliable weapon where the SPD is only an AR-15 variant with a superior round. I hate the AR-15 design to begin and I will give the 6.8 credit for being a spectacular round, but the G36 is the superior weapon.RAMRODtheMASTER

I felt the Spartan vs Ninja and Spartan VS Samurai were far more biased. Spike and Deadliest Warrior basically take Sparta/spartans as it's unoffical mascot as it is. I don't feel there was much bias in GSG VS Swat.

I also found it silly when they put the Pirate in the same class as IRA, Spetznaz, and Mafia in the "Deadliest warrior of season 1" "modern warriors" fight. The pirate is not modern and his weaponry obviously cannot compete with 20th and 21st century weaponry.

What is this thread about? O_o

I also thought the taser thing was kinda pointless. A taser wouldn't be very useful against someone in kevlar armor and what, would it? It wouldn't be able to penetrate all of that cloth and material to reach the skin.

you think that match was Bias? its not about the mock battle(final battle) based on computer results. giving the "edge" doesnt really matter. its all in the numbers. or is it? i dont know what do you think?

gugler990

I dont think it's biased, its more especulation than anything. If it was biased towards the US, the Spetnaz would have lost to the Green Beret on a previous episode. We will have to wait and see for the KGB vs CIA episode

I also thought the taser thing was kinda pointless. A taser wouldn't be very useful against someone in kevlar armor and what, would it? It wouldn't be able to penetrate all of that cloth and material to reach the skin.

Pixel-Pirate

and if its a fight to the death why is there even non lethal weapons. they should have just made it into. lethal grenades pistols submachine guns or etc.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I also thought the taser thing was kinda pointless. A taser wouldn't be very useful against someone in kevlar armor and what, would it? It wouldn't be able to penetrate all of that cloth and material to reach the skin.

gugler990

and if its a fight to the death why is there even non lethal weapons. they should have just made it into. lethal grenades pistols submachine guns or etc.

also, Both sides where covered from head to toe in body armor and they didn't even bother to test how effective it was.

there test dont show a lot. it only shows how much damage it can do. thats it. they dont show exactly how they use it. the show in inaccurate. example u dont see a spartan fighting alone so why put it alone. the ninja doesnt show it self. it attacks by surprise.

there test dont show a lot. it only shows how much damage it can do. thats it. they dont show exactly how they use it. the show in inaccurate. example u dont see a spartan fighting alone so why put it alone. the ninja doesnt show it self. it attacks by surprise.

hiphopballer

It's called DEADLIEST warrior. Not smartest or most skilled or tactical. Give the winning teams weapons to someone who is not smart and tactical or not skilled and they would lose to some one with the losing teams weapons and gear if they were more smart and tactical or skilled. It's just for fun. It's not to show who is better and who would win a war or something (even though they do have that little bit at the end where they "fight" but that's just for fun), it's to show which person can kill and bring death (hence DEADLIEST) the best.

Well the GSG-9 should have won. Shotguns are more for breaching tactics, the GSG-9 would be equipped with HK MP7s for CQB. Also the fact that they gave the SPD the advantage because it makes "bigger holes" upsets me slightly. The G36 is a very modern and reliable weapon where the SPD is only an AR-15 variant with a superior round. I hate the AR-15 design to begin and I will give the 6.8 credit for being a spectacular round, but the G36 is the superior weapon.RAMRODtheMASTER

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there test dont show a lot. it only shows how much damage it can do. thats it. they dont show exactly how they use it. the show in inaccurate. example u dont see a spartan fighting alone so why put it alone. the ninja doesnt show it self. it attacks by surprise.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="gugler990"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I also thought the taser thing was kinda pointless. A taser wouldn't be very useful against someone in kevlar armor and what, would it? It wouldn't be able to penetrate all of that cloth and material to reach the skin.

mattisgod01

and if its a fight to the death why is there even non lethal weapons. they should have just made it into. lethal grenades pistols submachine guns or etc.

also, Both sides where covered from head to toe in body armor and they didn't even bother to test how effective it was.

yeah. they should have tested it. with all the guns and the kind of bullet it uses

I actually thought that the match-up was wrong. As elite as GSG9 is they're not really using their skills and training on real-life missions on a constant basis. SWAT should've been matched-up with either the FBI's HRT units or the Russian civilian equivalent.

Although I like the show, I don't take the results seriously. No computer could predict the outcome of a living being by just researching their gadgets and scanning out all of their possibilities.

After they did the show on the IRA, and having had a number of friends killed by the IRA, it was basically a propaganda piece I can no longer stomach the show. blue_hazy_basic

Wait, SWAT won? :lol:
I would like that show more if they had a more real interpretation of things, but oh well. It's still cool to watch torso damage, weapons, tactics, etc. Obviously GSG-9 >>>>>>>>>> SWAT and Knight > Pirate.

Wait, SWAT won? :lol:
I would like that show more if they had a more real interpretation of things, but oh well. It's still cool to watch torso damage, weapons, tactics, etc. Obviously GSG-9 >>>>>>>>>> SWAT and Knight > Pirate.

cowplayinghalo

I disagree! I still think SWAT in real-life match-up will win out against GSG9. SWAT, especially LA and the NYC versions, ply their trade on an almost daily basis while GSG9 may only get the call once or twice a year for a real mission and not a surprise training op. I still say the best match-up would've been SWAT vs. FBI HRT who I would put up against any counter-terrorism unit not Israeli-based.

[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"]

Wait, SWAT won? :lol:
I would like that show more if they had a more real interpretation of things, but oh well. It's still cool to watch torso damage, weapons, tactics, etc. Obviously GSG-9 >>>>>>>>>> SWAT and Knight > Pirate.

Buck_Hotep

I disagree! I still think SWAT in real-life match-up will win out against GSG9. SWAT, especially LA and the NYC versions, ply their trade on an almost daily basis while GSG9 may only get the call once or twice a year for a real mission and not a surprise training op. I still say the best match-up would've been SWAT vs. FBI HRT who I would put up against any counter-terrorism unit not Israeli-based.

True, GSG9 doesn't get called very often, but they fight hardcore terrorists and trained gunmen. SWAT usually deals with some crackhead with a shotgun or an apartment full of gang members. I'm not saying SWAT couldn't put up a fight; they are trained in military tactics, but GSG9 are special forces who take down other soldiers. It would be a pretty good match, but GSG9 just has more combat experience (they are in Iraq) and has carried out more combat missions than SWAT. SWAT has been in a few major shootouts like the Compton battle in 1974 and the Hollywood bank robbery in 1997, but every mission is like that for GSG9.

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[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"]

Wait, SWAT won? :lol:
I would like that show more if they had a more real interpretation of things, but oh well. It's still cool to watch torso damage, weapons, tactics, etc. Obviously GSG-9 >>>>>>>>>> SWAT and Knight > Pirate.

cowplayinghalo

I disagree! I still think SWAT in real-life match-up will win out against GSG9. SWAT, especially LA and the NYC versions, ply their trade on an almost daily basis while GSG9 may only get the call once or twice a year for a real mission and not a surprise training op. I still say the best match-up would've been SWAT vs. FBI HRT who I would put up against any counter-terrorism unit not Israeli-based.

True, GSG9 doesn't get called very often, but they fight hardcore terrorists and trained gunmen. SWAT usually deals with some crackhead with a shotgun or an apartment full of gang members. I'm not saying SWAT couldn't put up a fight; they are trained in military tactics, but GSG9 are special forces who take down other soldiers. It would be a pretty good match, but GSG9 just has more combat experience (they are in Iraq) and has carried out more combat missions than SWAT. SWAT has been in a few major shootouts like the Compton battle in 1974 and the Hollywood bank robbery in 1997, but every mission is like that for GSG9.

As somebody mentioned earlier, most SWAT are ex-military and special ops level. I actually think that SWAT dealing with an urban and civilian population makes their job harder since they're actually hampered by when they can actually shoot. SWAT actually has to factor in civilian bystanders while military-based counter-terror units don't have as high a standard.

I'm a big fan of GSG9, ut even I know that real-world experience will always trump lots of training. IF I had to match GSG9 with another military-based unit then it would either have to be the British SAS (who do the same job) or the Israeli Yamam.

After they did the show on the IRA, and having had a number of friends killed by the IRA, it was basically a propaganda piece I can no longer stomach the show. blue_hazy_basic

Wasn't it IRA vs Taliban? No offense, but the Taliban is generally seen as a more hated group than the IRA in the world.

I personally prefer the deadliest warriors that don't involve modern "warriors". I'm not really interested in who would win between the IRA and Spetznaz. I'm interested in who would win vs say, Pirate VS Samurai or something like that. Things that cannot truly come to happen today.

Wait, SWAT won? :lol:
I would like that show more if they had a more real interpretation of things, but oh well. It's still cool to watch torso damage, weapons, tactics, etc. Obviously GSG-9 >>>>>>>>>> SWAT and Knight > Pirate.

cowplayinghalo

Personally I agree with Pirate VS Knight. Guns and dirty tactics>chivalry and swords.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]After they did the show on the IRA, and having had a number of friends killed by the IRA, it was basically a propaganda piece I can no longer stomach the show. Pixel-Pirate

Wasn't it IRA vs Taliban? No offense, but the Taliban is generally seen as a more hated group than the IRA in the world.

I personally prefer the deadliest warriors that don't involve modern "warriors". I'm not really interested in who would win between the IRA and Spetznaz. I'm interested in who would win vs say, Pirate VS Samurai or something like that. Things that cannot truly come to happen today.

The IRA Vs Spetsnaz was ridiculous. IRA would not stand a chance agaisnt Spetsnaz under the set conditions. IRA rely on ambush and retreat.