Deontological ethics VS Consequentialism

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#1 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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Pick one OT, may Kant turn in his grave reading the results!
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#2 Necrifer
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Neither. I win!

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#3 Atmanix
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Ugh... big words. *hides eyes*

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#4 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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Neither. I win!

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You win nothing but my anger.
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#5 SolidSnake35
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I like Kant.. so I voted for him.
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#6 Necrifer
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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

Neither. I win!

TELLMEYOURLIFE

You win nothing but my anger.

What about your tears?

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#7 ganon92
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What if I prefer hybrid systems?

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#8 Teenaged
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I only know what consequentialism is (thanks to Vandalvideo, I have to give him that).

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#9 comp_atkins
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don't care
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#10 flordeceres
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consequentialism ofc

HAHAHAHA VIOLATING MORAL CONSTRAINTS, GET OUT KANT

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#11 ihateaynrand
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The winner is consequentialism. Also I bloody hate Kant. There is simply no reason to adopt universalisability as a moral criterion, and doing so leads to some absurd results.
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#12 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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I only know what consequentialism is (thanks to Vandalvideo, I have to give him that).

Teenaged
Deontology is basically the opposite. The result of the action is not taken into account.
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#13 ihateaynrand
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I only know what consequentialism is (thanks to Vandalvideo, I have to give him that).

Teenaged

Deontology is judging actions by their compliance with rules.

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#14 SkyWard20
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You could try telling us what those are, first...

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#15 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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There is simply no reason to adopt universalisability as a moral criterionihateaynrand
My thoughts exactly.
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#16 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I only know what consequentialism is (thanks to Vandalvideo, I have to give him that).

TELLMEYOURLIFE

Deontology is basically the opposite. The result of the action is not taken into account.

Ok I get it although I thought that consequentialism was more than just judging actions by the consequences; that it also included any consequence even if it occured by accident or by some unfortunate turn of events (such as: "the car hit him, because he wanted to buy cigarettes which made him cross the street to go buy them).

Its just deontology to me sounds like its a mindset telling you what you should do, while consequentialism is a mindset that deals with judging actions.

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#17 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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You could try telling us what those are, first...

SkyWard20
Look up moral philosophy.
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#18 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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Its just deontology to me sounds like its a mindset telling you what you should do, while consequentialism is a mindset that deals with judging actions.Teenaged
Pretty much, yeah.
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#19 coolbeans90
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I don't think that they are entirely mutually exclusive.

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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I only know what consequentialism is (thanks to Vandalvideo, I have to give him that).

Teenaged

Deontology is basically the opposite. The result of the action is not taken into account.

Ok I get it although I thought that consequentialism was more than just judging actions by the consequences; that it also included any consequence even if it occured by accident or by some unfortunate turn of events (such as: "the car hit him, because he wanted to buy cigarettes which made him cross the street to go buy them).

Its just deontology to me sounds like its a mindset telling you what you should do, while consequentialism is a mindset that deals with judging actions.

Deontology says that you shouldn't kill because refraining from murder is a duty; a duty because if everyone went around killing, it'd be a crap world. Consquentialism says you shouldn't kill because it results in the death of someone. I think that's how it goes.
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#21 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

You could try telling us what those are, first...

TELLMEYOURLIFE
Look up moral philosophy.

Can I ask what you prefer?
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#22 -Sun_Tzu-
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Both have their problems, but I'm more of a consequentialist.
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#23 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

You could try telling us what those are, first...

SkyWard20
Look up moral philosophy.

Can I ask what you prefer?

Consequentialism.
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#24 THE_DRUGGIE
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I Kant decide!

*ba-dum, psh*

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#25 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Look up moral philosophy.TELLMEYOURLIFE
Can I ask what you prefer?

Consequentialism.

Thanks. Guess I'll pick Deontology, then. :)
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#26 ihateaynrand
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I don't think that they are entirely mutually exclusive.

coolbeans90
Are you referring to rule utilitarianism?
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#27 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Deontology is basically the opposite. The result of the action is not taken into account. SolidSnake35

Ok I get it although I thought that consequentialism was more than just judging actions by the consequences; that it also included any consequence even if it occured by accident or by some unfortunate turn of events (such as: "the car hit him, because he wanted to buy cigarettes which made him cross the street to go buy them).

Its just deontology to me sounds like its a mindset telling you what you should do, while consequentialism is a mindset that deals with judging actions.

Deontology says that you shouldn't kill because refraining from murder is a duty; a duty because if everyone went around killing, it'd be a crap world. Consquentialism says you shouldn't kill because it results in the death of someone. I think that's how it goes.

Hm, I thought deontology actually told you "you must because you must" without much reasoning behind that must.

I could be wrong of course. :P

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#28 flordeceres
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I Kant decide!

*ba-dum, psh*

THE_DRUGGIE

GET OUT

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#29 T_P_O
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I prefer consequentialism, in all honesty.

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#30 flordeceres
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in all honesty.

T_P_O

you deceitful cow

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#31 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

in all honesty.

flordeceres

you deceitful cow

shut up Kant
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#32 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Can I ask what you prefer?

Consequentialism.

Thanks. Guess I'll pick Deontology, then. :)

I'm glad you at least thoroughly considered your stance.
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#33 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I Kant decide!

*ba-dum, psh*

flordeceres

GET OUT

Hey, they Kant all be zingers.

*ba-dum, psh*

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#34 deactivated-6016f2513d412
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Can I ask what you prefer?

Consequentialism.

Thanks. Guess I'll pick Deontology, then. :)

Worst post I've read all day.
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#35 flordeceres
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shut up KantT_P_O

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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

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#37 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I don't think that they are entirely mutually exclusive.

ihateaynrand

Are you referring to rule utilitarianism?

No, I am not.

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#38 Mochyc
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Deontology, but to be honest you can't apply it all the time (and I don't think everyone should).
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#39 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Consequentialism. t3hrubikscube
Thanks. Guess I'll pick Deontology, then. :)

Worst post I've read all day.

Well, sorry then! :(
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#40 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

Mr_Sesshomaru
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. Addendum: I think I love you.
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#41 cybrcatter
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I reject both of them. Leave my ethics alone!
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#42 T_P_O
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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

Mr_Sesshomaru
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Thanks. Guess I'll pick Deontology, then. :)

Worst post I've read all day.

Well, sorry then! :(

Apologise for ruining her day.
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#44 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="Mr_Sesshomaru"]

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

T_P_O
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,
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#45 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Mr_Sesshomaru"]

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

TELLMEYOURLIFE
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"] Worst post I've read all day.

Well, sorry then! :(

Apologise for ruining her day.

I already did! I was trying to make a funny...
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#47 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist.
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#48 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,TELLMEYOURLIFE
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist.

Socrates himself was permanently pissed.
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as SchlegelT_P_O
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist.

Socrates himself was permanently pissed.

A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed :)

*Edit* Ok, I screwed that one up.

*Hangs head in shame before quietly slipping out of thread*

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#50 deactivated-6016f2513d412
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Well, sorry then! :(

Apologise for ruining her day.

I already did! I was trying to make a funny...

IT'S OKAY, man. :]