[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Fauxjangles"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Fauxjangles"] http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_thread/thread/06c3a5381a2ad605/f0b5c629eec1046a?lnk=raot
Long read, interesting nonetheless. Read then discuss.
Fauxjangles
we have more evidence that Jesus existed than of alexander the great and socrates....
Prove it troll.
Read it and discuss, or GTFO of my thread.
. Josephus provides independent confirmation to the life of Jesus. The most important non-Christian witness to the historical Jesus is Josephus, who wrote five works in Greek: Life, his autobiography; Contra Apion, a defense of Judaism; The Jewish War, an eyewitness account of the revolt against Rome (66-74 CE); Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades; and The Jewish Antiquities, a history of the Jews from Adam to his generation. McDowell cites two references to Jesus in The Jewish Antiquities; I will discuss them in reverse order.
(a) The reference to James as the brother of Jesus. Josephus described how the high priest Ananus took advantage of the death of the Roman governor Festus in 62 CE to organize a mob to stone James. McDowell mentions this passage because Josephus identifies James as "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ:"
But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought it before the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.[17]
According to Josephus scholar Louis Feldman, the authenticity of this passage "has been almost universally acknowledged
b) The Testimonium Flavianum probably contained an authentic, independent witness to Jesus. Josephus was known as "Flavius Josephus" from his patrons the Flavian emperors, Vespasian and his sons Titus and Domitian. Testimonium Flavianum means literally "Testimony of Flavius" and refers to Antiquities 18.3.3 §63-64:
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html
why are you calling me a troll?
In the closing years of the first century, Josephus, the
celebrated historian, wrote his famous work on "The Antiquities of the
Jews.
" In this work, the historian made no mention of Christ, and for
two hundred years after the death of Josephus, the name of Christ did
not appear in his history.
There were no printing presses in those
days. Books were multiplied by being copied.
It was, therefore, easy
to add to or change what an author had written.
The church felt that
Josephus ought to recognize Christ, and the dead historian was made to
do it.
In the fourth century, a copy of "The Antiquities of the Jews"
appeared, in which occurred this passage: "Now, there was about this
time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was
a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as received the truth
with pleasure.
He drew over to him both many of the light people and
many of the non believers.
He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the
suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the
cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he
appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had
foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him;
and the tribe of Maccabees, are not extinct at this day."
Yeah, you're a troll.
The reference to James as the brother of Jesus. Josephus described how the high priest Ananus took advantage of the death of the Roman governor Festus in 62 CE to organize a mob to stone James. McDowell mentions this passage because Josephus identifies James as "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ:"
But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought it before the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned
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