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#1 Androvinus
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If so doesnt that go against your beliefs. or do you just think that all people that experience Ghosts/spirits/entities/demons or whatever are all crazy or its their imagination.

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#2 _en1gma_
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Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

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#3 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

Can I get a '/thread'? No wait, here come 3 million more replies.
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#4 Androvinus
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Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

_en1gma_
but cant the supernatural be used in someway as proof of a deity
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#5 ZachBdude
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Huh? Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in God Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural_en1gma_
he might have been thinking that supernatural thoughts can originate from religion and then passed on. im thinking thats how supernatural came about. if anyone has other ideas im all ears.
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#6 FlyingArmbar
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Atheism and disbelief in the supernatural do not neccesarily go hand in hand.

But no, I don't believe in the supernatural.

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#7 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

Androvinus
but cant the supernatural be used in someway as proof of a deity

No...how does that work?
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#8 dracula_16
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Most sects of Buddhism are godless. Demons are mentioned in their scriptures, since the Buddha himself allegedly encountered some. Therefore, it's fair to say that most Buddhists are atheists who believe in supernatural stuff.

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#9 blackngold29
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I think TC could have a point. Assuming that ghosts are people that have died, and atheism is generally the Dane Cook line of, "When you die, nothing happens." It's a valid question.
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#10 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

Androvinus

but cant the supernatural be used in someway as proof of a deity

No. If ghosts were found to exist that wouldn't mean there would be a God. If aliens were found to emit xray beams out of their eyes while they all looked like naked likenesses of Bea Arthur in her prime that wouldn't be evidence for a God. The only evidence for a God would be if God showed himself and did Godly things infrotn of us.

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#11 _en1gma_
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I think TC could have a point. Assuming that ghosts are people that have died, and atheism is generally the Dane Cook line of, "When you die, nothing happens." It's a valid question.blackngold29
Except that Dane Cook has his definition wrong (and he isn't funny)

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#12 TBoogy
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Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

_en1gma_

Most atheists I have seen doubt God's exsistence because:

1. They can't see him (they want proof).

2. The idea of God is not logical.

Both of these are true of any spirit. So to believe one may exsist but not the other seems kinda strange to me.

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#13 blackngold29
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think TC could have a point. Assuming that ghosts are people that have died, and atheism is generally the Dane Cook line of, "When you die, nothing happens." It's a valid question._en1gma_

Except that Dane Cook has his definition wrong (and he isn't funny)

So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)
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#14 SunofVich
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You mistake first off is generalizing.

Athiest dont believe in the existance of dieties... that is where the commonality ends.

Some may believe in the supernatural and some may not.

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#15 Free_Marxet
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Atheists do not believe in the super natural unless its proven. Im talking about atheists who base their ideas of science. I dont think it would make sense to believe in the super natural if you didnt believe in gods.
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#16 ZachBdude
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

this is wrong. atheist= someone who doesnt believe in a power higher than man.
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#17 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think TC could have a point. Assuming that ghosts are people that have died, and atheism is generally the Dane Cook line of, "When you die, nothing happens." It's a valid question.blackngold29

Except that Dane Cook has his definition wrong (and he isn't funny)

So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)

Why don't you go ask a dead person? (I don't know and neither does anyone else living)
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#18 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think TC could have a point. Assuming that ghosts are people that have died, and atheism is generally the Dane Cook line of, "When you die, nothing happens." It's a valid question.blackngold29

Except that Dane Cook has his definition wrong (and he isn't funny)

So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)

Exactly what happens to anyone else who dies. Your body stops functioning.
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#19 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

TBoogy

Most atheists I have seen doubt God's exsistence because:

1. They can't see him (they want proof).

2. The idea of God is not logical.

Both of these are true of any spirit. So to believe one may exsist but not the other seems kinda strange to me.

The existence of the soul. (Which is what is thought to be your ghosts) would not in any way mean that there is a deity. That's like saying pictures of John Laroquet in drag is evidence that Night Court was the greatest show that ever existed.

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#20 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="ZachBdude"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

this is wrong. atheist= someone who doesnt believe in a power higher than man.

Do you know what a deity is?
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#21 blackngold29
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Except that Dane Cook has his definition wrong (and he isn't funny)_en1gma_
So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)

Why don't you go ask a dead person? (I don't know and neither does anyone else living)

But that doesn't show me where the definition is wrong. Or do atheist believe in an after-life, just not God?

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#22 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

ZachBdude

this is wrong. atheist= someone who doesnt believe in a power higher than man.

this is wrong as well. atheist = not a theist = doesn't believe in a God. If there is a higher intelligence in the universe chances are they were born of flesh. Alien flesh sure but it is still flesh.

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#23 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]Atheists do not believe in the super natural unless its proven. Im talking about atheists who base their ideas of science. I dont think it would make sense to believe in the super natural if you didnt believe in gods.

Not necessarily... An atheist only disbelieves a particular supernatural type (deities) That doesn't mean every atheist will disbelieve every single supernatural type imaginable.
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#24 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)blackngold29

Why don't you go ask a dead person? (I don't know and neither does anyone else living)

But that doesn't show me where the definition is wrong. Or do atheist believe in an after-life, just not God?

I already told you the definition...but I will restate it. Atheist: one who does not believe in any form of deities... Some atheists may believe in an afterlife, some don't. (mostly the latter I would assume)

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#25 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] So what happens to an atheist when they die? (and I won't argue over that, because it's an opinion and your's is wrong)blackngold29

Why don't you go ask a dead person? (I don't know and neither does anyone else living)

But that doesn't show me where the definition is wrong. Or do atheist believe in an after-life, just not God?

The definition is wrong because it doesn't address what the term atheist means. Atheism is not a shared set of beliefs, it just means the lack of belief in deities, so some atheists might believe that "nothing happens" (as in, no afterlife) but others could very well believe in something such as an afterlife.
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#26 Dman0017
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i do not believe in the supernatural because i have not seen anything personally.

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#27 Free_Marxet
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[QUOTE="ZachBdude"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

this is wrong. atheist= someone who doesnt believe in a power higher than man.

You are wrong. Atheism is a lack of theism. Theism is: the doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or gods
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]Atheists do not believe in the super natural unless its proven. Im talking about atheists who base their ideas of science. I dont think it would make sense to believe in the super natural if you didnt believe in gods.

Not necessarily... An atheist only disbelieves a particular supernatural type (deities) That doesn't mean every atheist will disbelieve every single supernatural type imaginable.

If gods exist, then its natural. Spirits make the idea of gods more plausible, theyre really in the same boat. If you are an atheist that believes in science and empiricism (which many are) you throw away ALL super natural nonsense until its proven.
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]Atheists do not believe in the super natural unless its proven. Im talking about atheists who base their ideas of science. I dont think it would make sense to believe in the super natural if you didnt believe in gods.

Not necessarily... An atheist only disbelieves a particular supernatural type (deities) That doesn't mean every atheist will disbelieve every single supernatural type imaginable.

If gods exist, then its natural. Spirits make the idea of gods more plausible, theyre really in the same boat. If you are an atheist that believes in science and empiricism (which many are) you throw away ALL super natural nonsense until its proven.

This is usually the case, but it still doesn't make the minority irrelevant.
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#30 blackngold29
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I can honestly say I've never heard of an atheist who believes in an afterlife. Another part of the Cook joke, but that's another story... It must not involve any type of Heaven/Hell concept though right?

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Depends on the person I suppose. Do they believe there's a logical/scientific explanation for everything? If that's the case then I don't see why they would believe in the supernatural.
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I can honestly say I've never heard of an atheist who believes in an afterlife. Another part of the Cook joke, but that's another story... It must not involve any type of Heaven/Hell concept though right?

blackngold29

Buddhists believe in a hell. It's temporary, and it comes before reincarnation.

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#33 _en1gma_
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Depends on the person I suppose. Do they believe there's a logical/scientific explanation for everything? If that's the case then I don't see why they would believe in the supernatural.killab2oo5
Those people don't understand logic/science. There is not a scientific explanation for EVERY occurrence in the universe, and every law is not solidified.
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[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Depends on the person I suppose. Do they believe there's a logical/scientific explanation for everything? If that's the case then I don't see why they would believe in the supernatural._en1gma_
Those people don't understand logic/science. There is not a scientific explanation for EVERY occurrence in the universe, and every law is not solidified.

Science cant explain everything because we havent gotten that far WITH science yet. Were still very new to everything and were still trying to find out things about physics and the laws of nature.
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#35 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Depends on the person I suppose. Do they believe there's a logical/scientific explanation for everything? If that's the case then I don't see why they would believe in the supernatural.Free_Marxet
Those people don't understand logic/science. There is not a scientific explanation for EVERY occurrence in the universe, and every law is not solidified.

Science cant explain everything because we havent gotten that far WITH science yet. Were still very new to everything and were still trying to find out things about physics and the laws of nature.

Which is exactly my point.
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Depends on the person I suppose. Do they believe there's a logical/scientific explanation for everything? If that's the case then I don't see why they would believe in the supernatural.Free_Marxet
Those people don't understand logic/science. There is not a scientific explanation for EVERY occurrence in the universe, and every law is not solidified.

Science cant explain everything because we havent gotten that far WITH science yet. Were still very new to everything and were still trying to find out things about physics and the laws of nature.

I guess so. :3 I'd like to know the scientific reasoning behind the supernatural.
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[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Those people don't understand logic/science. There is not a scientific explanation for EVERY occurrence in the universe, and every law is not solidified.

Science cant explain everything because we havent gotten that far WITH science yet. Were still very new to everything and were still trying to find out things about physics and the laws of nature.

I guess so. :3 I'd like to know the scientific reasoning behind the supernatural.

Which may be possible with time...discounting that possibility is just ignorant. Except, in the atheist's case, deities... :P
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#38 Androvinus
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I want to hear from a nonbeliever in the supernatural. what do you think of ghosts/spirits/demons.
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I can honestly say I've never heard of an atheist who believes in an afterlife. Another part of the Cook joke, but that's another story... It must not involve any type of Heaven/Hell concept though right?

blackngold29
] Nope, although pretty rare, someone could very well be an atheist and still believe in heaven/hell like concepts. Atheism is simply concerning the belief in deities, nothing else.
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#40 _en1gma_
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I want to hear from a nonbeliever in the supernatural. what do you think of ghosts/spirits/demons. Androvinus
I believe in ghosts (of some sort)....I have had an experience
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#41 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

Androvinus

but cant the supernatural be used in someway as proof of a deity

no, supernatural happeningsare proof of something beyond our knowledge.

It is the person that puts the whole deity/god/supernatural spin on it.

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I would assume no.
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I want to hear from a nonbeliever in the supernatural. what do you think of ghosts/spirits/demons. Androvinus
I think it's all complete BS.
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

ZachBdude

this is wrong. atheist= someone who doesnt believe in a power higher than man.

so atheist dont believe in the power of nature, the ability to generate lightning for example due to physics, weather, and whatnot? That is certainly more powerful than man.

What about gravity? That pretty much effects everything. Definately more powerful than man.

Hell, even bears are more powerful than man on a pound for pound basis.

Atheism is strictly the disbelief in God...a higher sentient power. That is it.

We can believe in souls, we can believe in ghosts, we can believe gnomes, fairies, and trolls that guard bridges and take our bus money.

We just dont believe in god.

Of course, I think most atheists wouldnt believe in those things because rationality and atheism tend to go hand in hand, but still...you get my point.

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I don't personally, but as mentioned previously it is possible for someone to be an atheist and believe in the supernatural.
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If so doesnt that go against your beliefs. or do you just think that all people that experience Ghosts/spirits/entities/demons or whatever are all crazy or its their imagination.

Androvinus

Some might. I don't.

And yeah, I believe that everyone who believes in supernatural phenomena is lying, mistaken, gullible, mentally ill, or just imagining things.

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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Atheist = someone who doesn't believe in deities

Atheist =/= someone who doesn't believe in supernatural

Androvinus
but cant the supernatural be used in someway as proof of a deity

All deities are supernatural. Not all supernatural is deity...
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#48 mfp16
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I'm an atheist and I don't believe in the supernatural... I believe in science and reason only.
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#50 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]

If so doesnt that go against your beliefs. or do you just think that all people that experience Ghosts/spirits/entities/demons or whatever are all crazy or its their imagination.

_en1gma_

Some might. I don't.

And yeah, I believe that everyone who believes in supernatural phenomena is lying, mistaken, gullible, mentally ill, or just imagining things.

Out of curiosity, do you believe in aliens?

Anyways....seeing cabinets and drawers flying open, instantly freezing air, and hearing faint voices in a house that I would frequently clean/fix up, in broad daylight, while sober, and completely sane is....well you know.

I experienced that once...and the people that live in the house claim to feel weird and experience freezing spots...of course I don't tell them what I experienced.

I am no fool.

I never said you were a fool. I am merely saying that I think you were probably having some form of hallucination.

And I believe that there is probably a good chance that aliens exist. I don't really want to get any more specific than that, because there's no evidence that they actually exist. They may exist, they may not.