Do we really own anything?

We live in a world where owning something is considered the end all be all of existance. Why?

When all is said and done, guess what? We die. We rot in a coffin or in an urn or just lay on the ground and go away from our self conscious physical selves.

Regardless of how you feel about reincarnation or anything else along the same lines, why do we go out of our way to make ourselves suffer to gain something that we won't own forever?

The reason I do it is so I can support a future where I can have some type of luxury like food and shelter, and I suppose support a family. But now that I think about this, why would I want to make another human being/beings suffer on this hellish landscape?

To want is to suffer, and as that is a fact, why do we feel like we just need more and more and more when in the end, it's all for nothing?

Because I get to use the stuff I and others perceive as mine. As long as everyone agrees something is mine, I own it, and get to determine what is done with it.

That illusion of possession is enough for me.

I'm not sure who originally said it, but when referring to firearms there is a saying, "you never really own a firearm, you are just the caretaker"

I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.SolidSnake35

Those, at the very least, will always be yours.

I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.SolidSnake35

That's why I try not to get too attached to any possessions...It's not so bad to "lose" everything in the end if you were never too invested in anything in the first place....

It all depends on what you want in life. I just watched "Into the Wild" a few nights ago; not a bad movie but also a bit idealized as well. That type of lifestyle could really suck.

Meh, just depends on what you want.

Well if you only buy higher quality stuff, and take care of it, it'll last alot longer.

I'm not saying that we don't acquire things, my argument is what the definition of "own" is. When all of us invariably move on, how does that define what we previously had? Did we really own anything in the first place or not?starfox15

I own something when it is in my possession and no one else holds a rightful claim to it. When I die I obviously no longer own it or anything else.

Then why in that case, do we even have the word own? Rent would make more sense, or use, or something, but in my opinion, I don't think that own should even exist. Permanence within a time restraint is impossible. It's an oxymoron if you think about it.starfox15

I don't think the word "own" connotes permanence.

Then why in that case, do we even have the word own? Rent would make more sense, or use, or something, but in my opinion, I don't think that own should even exist. Permanence within a time restraint is impossible. It's an oxymoron if you think about it.starfox15

yeah, but that would apply to a lot of things if you have to constantly talk about things from the perspective of death. its seems kind of superfluous to constantly reference everything to a period we wont experience.

We live in a world where owning something is considered the end all be all of existance. Why?

When all is said and done, guess what? We die. We rot in a coffin or in an urn or just lay on the ground and go away from our self conscious physical selves.

Regardless of how you feel about reincarnation or anything else along the same lines, why do we go out of our way to make ourselves suffer to gain something that we won't own forever?

The reason I do it is so I can support a future where I can have some type of luxury like food and shelter, and I suppose support a family. But now that I think about this, why would I want to make another human being/beings suffer on this hellish landscape?

To want is to suffer, and as that is a fact, why do we feel like we just need more and more and more when in the end, it's all for nothing?

starfox15

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.Jandurin

Those, at the very least, will always be yours.

"Those, at the very least, will always be yours".

Yeah. That is, until you die...or worse, become senile and invalid before your big exit.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.megagene

That's why I try not to get too attached to any possessions...It's not so bad to "lose" everything in the end if you were never too invested in anything in the first place....

But you'll be dead so it's not like you're going to miss much? Enjoy it while you last.

We don't talk about anything as it pertains to death unless we are discussing the topic itself. We just assume that what the context refers to is the immediate present or past.

Is it really fair to then call something ours when in reality, it never belongs to anybody?

We attach significance to something based on our own perceived and agreed upon notions of the word itself.

Just because you suffer or work towards something does not mean you particularly own it unless all of us agree upon that. In this case, I'll be the one to disagree. Now we have to look at the word own by itself and isolate it.

Here's an idea, does the word own have multiple definitions? It would obviously have to if it was to be in use by everyone. Not everybody agrees on the word, we just assume that everyone will follow along with the idea.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.Brutal_Elitegs

That's why I try not to get too attached to any possessions...It's not so bad to "lose" everything in the end if you were never too invested in anything in the first place....

But you'll be dead so it's not like you're going to miss much? Enjoy it while you last.

[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"][QUOTE="megagene"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I've thought about that before. We work hard but in the end we lose everything. It's kind of depressing.MissRiotmaker

That's why I try not to get too attached to any possessions...It's not so bad to "lose" everything in the end if you were never too invested in anything in the first place....

But you'll be dead so it's not like you're going to miss much? Enjoy it while you last.

awesome. your rabbit's a bit static, maybe mine can teach yours how to bust the moves.

We don't talk about anything as it pertains to death unless we are discussing the topic itself. We just assume that what the context refers to is the immediate present or past.

Is it really fair to then call something ours when in reality, it never belongs to anybody?

We attach significance to something based on our own perceived and agreed upon notions of the word itself.

Just because you suffer or work towards something does not mean you particularly own it unless all of us agree upon that. In this case, I'll be the one to disagree. Now we have to look at the word own by itself and isolate it.

Here's an idea, does the word own have multiple definitions? It would obviously have to if it was to be in use by everyone. Not everybody agrees on the word, we just assume that everyone will follow along with the idea.

starfox15

we do own things in context of our society. if you steal something and the government finds out, you get trouble. why? because its not yours. its owned by somebody else. this applies almost all societies. and any society that doesnt follow that basic rule likely doesnt use the word "own." anything beyond that is arguing semantics and getting to useless limitations of our own language.

and one person's disagreement cant change the meaning of the word. i could start calling a dog a frog, but it would only alter my own usage. if i then went and asked for a dog, i wouldnt get slimy little green thing. id get a big furry animal that eats its ****.

or worse, become senile and invalid before your big exit.iwokojance

Now, after your death is a different question. If we have a soul, does it "remember" what it was that the body that housed it experienced?

we don't really "loose" anything,we just don't have access to that stuff once we die anymore.teh_destroyer

[QUOTE="teh_destroyer"]we don't really "loose" anything,we just don't have access to that stuff once we die anymore.Jandurin

if you say so,its all part of the damn matrix >_>teh_destroyer

There is no spoon.

[QUOTE="teh_destroyer"] if you say so,its all part of the damn matrix >_>Jandurin

There is no spoon.

didn't work,must be a spoon :o.teh_destroyer

[QUOTE="teh_destroyer"]didn't work,must be a spoon :o.Jandurin

I just hit myself on the head with it.teh_destroyer

You don't have to lose anything. In your Will, just tell them to burn everything you own or to bury it with you.Manly-manly-man

Then your grave gets robbed like the Egyptians, or, well, you burn stuff that could be used by others. So, it's either vandalism and selfishness, or just selfishness.

[QUOTE="teh_destroyer"]I just hit myself on the head with it.Jandurin

You don't have to lose anything. In your Will, just tell them to burn everything you own or to bury it with you.Manly-manly-man

Then your grave gets robbed like the Egyptians, or, well, you burn stuff that could be used by others. So, it's either vandalism and selfishness, or just selfishness.

Someone stealing it doesn't mean you didn't absolutely own it, and burning it isn't really vandalism.

Well if you only buy higher quality stuff, and take care of it, it'll last alot longer.

SmithWesson642

because if i'm gona life this life, damnit i'm living it to my idea of the fullest and having fun doing it, like i care if i get any more enjoyment out of my 360 when i die, others will, thats what a will is for