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I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.Giovanni19Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.
Since most people that are for abortion do so because it's the woman's body and her right...then they have to logically allow for abortion without the consent of the father...after all...it's still her body. ;)LJS9502_basicThey must have forgotten that half of their chromosomes are from the father.
[QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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Whicker89
Yep...it's the law.Â
[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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LJS9502_basic
Yep...it's the law.
Equal rights my arseEqual rights my arse
Whicker89
What's not equal about it...they made a baby and they both support it.:|
[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrowMurder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a sh*t if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placemastershake575Not if the birth control goes screwy.
[QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support? I dont think he should. If I dont have equal say, then I shouldnt have equal responsobility.If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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Whicker89
[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeCptJSparrowNot if the birth control goes screwy.
Tis the chance you take....so make sure you can handle it in case that occurs...before it occurs.;)
Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.Giovanni19
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.[QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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Whicker89
That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!
Not if the birth control goes screwy.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeLJS9502_basic
Tis the chance you take....so make sure you can handle it in case that occurs...before it occurs.;)
My thoughts exactly.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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Whicker89
Yep...it's the law.
Equal rights my arseYeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.
Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
KH-mixerX
That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!
People haven't gotten 'sex-crazed' overnight, you know.[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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The_Ish
Yep...it's the law.
Equal rights my arseYeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.
Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?
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because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abort[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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KH-mixerX
That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!
Or responsibility. This problem won't just dissapear with marraige.
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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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Whicker89
Yep...it's the law.
Equal rights my arseYeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.
Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?
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because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abortI never said the father has to support the mother forever. People need help raising an infant from birth, like it or not. The father can keep the child when he can take care of the child alone.
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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.
Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.killtacticsi hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human... The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.killtactics
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...Or a monster. Or a retard As you said, potential.
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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.No,you're missing my point.If you are a woman and you have had sex and get pregnant,than it is your responsibility to have this baby already STARTING to grow inside you.If the woman does not want to keep the baby than what ever happened to putting it up for adoption?Abortion is just against how nature should be.I think in an extreme case like rape than it is a very hard choice to abort or not but whatever it is the woman's choice,no matter what I think.I'm done with this thread,it's a sensitive topic for me.
[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.
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The_Ish
Yep...it's the law.
Equal rights my arseYeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.
Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?
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because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abortI never said the father has to support the mother forever. People need help raising an infant from birth, like it or not. The father can keep the child when he can take care of the child alone.
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but the mother can have the child even when she can't care for the child alone?[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.KH-mixerX
Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.
No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.
Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.
That's what I say. If you wait awhile you will have a baby that baby could be the next Einstien, it's unlikely but you never know. I'm fine with hunting and if someone held a gun to my head I wouldn't shed a tear if he dies whether it be becuase of me or someone else. But that group of cells is innocent. Why should one life be sacrificed becuase some girl got knocked up?[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeCptJSparrowNot if the birth control goes screwy. its still there fault for being stupid and  having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night those people deserve getting pregnaunt and partically all of the young pregnaunt girls are alley cats
The heart isn't fully developed until 12 weeks. The average fetus is aborted at or before 8 weeks...and I'm not arguing for stem cell research.It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.
Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.
KH-mixerX
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Not if the birth control goes screwy.mastershake575its still there fault for being stupid and having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night they kinda deserve it Are you telling me that all abortions are done amongst unemployed teenagers? If so then you're wrong.
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.CptJSparrowi hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human... The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.notice the word "IF".... i could fly "if" i had wings......A zygote does have a possiblity, of being born as a human.... on the other hand no matter oh long u wait sperm will never be anything other then sperm....
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.killtacticsnotice the word "IF".... i could fly "if" i had wings......A zygote does have a possiblity, of being born as a human.... on the other hand no matter oh long u wait sperm will never be anything other then sperm.... You're right. It becomes a human if it's fully ready for birth. My mistake. My point isn't that sperm itself will become humans, my point is that killing a cluster of fetal cells is the equivalent of killing sperm because you're killing a genetic possibility. There is nothing wrong with aborting something that can't feel pain and if there were, it would be wrong to kill gametes. Those are children that will never be born too!
[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]The heart isn't fully developed until 12 weeks. The average fetus is aborted at or before 8 weeks...and I'm not arguing for stem cell research.It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.
Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.
CptJSparrow
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Not if the birth control goes screwy.mastershake575its still there fault for being stupid and having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night they kinda deserve it Are you telling me that all abortions are done amongst unemployed teenagers? If so then you're wrong. i never said they were unemployed i had they barely have a job like they work 20 hours a week getting minum wage and most girls that want a abortion deserve it they should of either kept there pants on, had there partner use a condom and used the pill instead of roaming the streets at night
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