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#1 KH-mixerX
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I sure don't. What about you?
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Not my body, not my choice.

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#3 needled24-7
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I think the father should have a say in it.
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I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.
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#5 cmhawk
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i'm against abortion anyways
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#6 Honenheim
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interesting ...... i agree, abortion "should" be made by both parents
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If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

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#8 CptJSparrow
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No.
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Since most people that are for abortion do so because it's the woman's body and her right...then they have to logically allow for abortion without the consent of the father...after all...it's still her body. ;)
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#10 babyjesus87
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its her body
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#11 CptJSparrow
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I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.Giovanni19
Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.
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Since most people that are for abortion do so because it's the woman's body and her right...then they have to logically allow for abortion without the consent of the father...after all...it's still her body. ;)LJS9502_basic
They must have forgotten that half of their chromosomes are from the father.
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#13 mastershake575
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no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first place
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I hate abortion...my dad wanted me aborted..and he almost got he's way until the doctor said it was too late..then he left my mom..but i'm glad it was too late
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#15 KH-mixerX
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I am also against abortion. I was just curious what people think on this matter.
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If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

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What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

Whicker89

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law. 

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#18 Sandro909
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As long as the father is actually acting like a father and just pulling a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, he should have a say in it.
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

LJS9502_basic

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law.

Equal rights my arse
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Equal rights my arse
Whicker89

What's not equal about it...they made a baby and they both support it.:|

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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow
Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a sh*t if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

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no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placemastershake575
Not if the birth control goes screwy.
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

Whicker89
What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

I dont think he should.  If I dont have equal say, then I shouldnt have equal responsobility.
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"]Equal rights my arse
LJS9502_basic

What's not equal about it...they made a baby and they both support it.:|

this is why I joined that Mens Rights clubs -___-. The man is screwed either way.
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[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeCptJSparrow
Not if the birth control goes screwy.

Tis the chance you take....so make sure you can handle it in case that occurs...before it occurs.;)

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.Giovanni19

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.
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#27 KH-mixerX
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

Whicker89

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeLJS9502_basic

Not if the birth control goes screwy.

Tis the chance you take....so make sure you can handle it in case that occurs...before it occurs.;)

My thoughts exactly.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

Whicker89

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law.

Equal rights my arse

Yeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.

Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?

 

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#30 Account_27
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No.  The woman shouldn't willingly kill her baby when she knows there a father who would take care of it and raise it.
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#31 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

KH-mixerX

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!

People haven't gotten 'sex-crazed' overnight, you know.
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#32 richyrichCT
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I am pro-choice and believe a woman should have the right to choose.
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

The_Ish

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law.

Equal rights my arse

Yeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.

Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?

 

because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abort
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#34 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

KH-mixerX

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

That's why you don't go sleeping around. Alot of these issues could be avoided if people weren't so sex crazed these days. It's called marriage people!!!

Or responsibility. This problem won't just dissapear with marraige.

 

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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.

i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...
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I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.Giovanni19
I'm with him
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

Whicker89

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law.

Equal rights my arse

Yeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.

Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?

 

because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abort

I never said the father has to support the mother forever. People need help raising an infant from birth, like it or not. The father can keep the child when he can take care of the child alone.

 

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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.

It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.

Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.killtactics
i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...

The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.killtactics

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.

i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...

Or a monster. Or a retard As you said, potential.

 

 

 

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[QUOTE="Giovanni19"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.CptJSparrow

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.

No,you're missing my point.If you are a woman and you have had sex and get pregnant,than it is your responsibility to have this baby already STARTING to grow inside you.If the woman does not want to keep the baby than what ever happened to putting it up for adoption?Abortion is just against how nature should be.I think in an extreme case like rape than it is a very hard choice to abort or not but whatever it is the woman's choice,no matter what I think.I'm done with this thread,it's a sensitive topic for me.

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[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If it is allowed, and the father is not in favor of an abortion, the father has to support the mother while she has the child and after the child is born.

 

The_Ish

What if he wants to abort but she wants to keep, should he have to pay child support?

Yep...it's the law.

Equal rights my arse

Yeah, kid, she's giving birth and is legally bound to raise the child.

Or did you think she magically conjuresup the baby?

 

because she gives birth to the child doesn't automatically her responsibility, she could give it to the father which makes more sense to me especially if she wanted to abort

I never said the father has to support the mother forever. People need help raising an infant from birth, like it or not. The father can keep the child when he can take care of the child alone.

 

but the mother can have the child even when she can't care for the child alone?
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Giovanni19"]I don't believe in abortion either way,it's murder.KH-mixerX

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion isn't against the law.

Yea,yea.I've heard it all before from people who believe in abortion,you can look at as a legal issue to try to justify it all you want but it's still wrong.It's taken the life of a child who hasn't even been born,yet.How cold is that,an innocent child that hasn't even had a chance to fully grow inside the mother's stomach.I don't give a **** if it's legal,I'm not the only one who's against it.

No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.

It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.

Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.

That's what I say.  If you wait awhile you will have a baby that baby could be the next Einstien, it's unlikely but you never know. I'm fine with hunting and if someone held a gun to my head I wouldn't shed a tear if he dies whether it be becuase of me or someone else.  But that group of cells is innocent.  Why should one life be sacrificed becuase some girl got knocked up?
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#46 mastershake575
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[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no because its there fault for getting pregnaunt in the first placeCptJSparrow
Not if the birth control goes screwy.

its still there fault for being stupid and  having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night those people deserve getting pregnaunt and partically all of the young pregnaunt girls are alley cats
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It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.

Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.

KH-mixerX
The heart isn't fully developed until 12 weeks. The average fetus is aborted at or before 8 weeks...and I'm not arguing for stem cell research.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Not if the birth control goes screwy.mastershake575
its still there fault for being stupid and having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night they kinda deserve it

Are you telling me that all abortions are done amongst unemployed teenagers? If so then you're wrong.
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, it is not a child. It is a cluster of cells, and these cells are terminated before they even have a nervous system unless there is a problem with scheduling. So there is no pain involved and no consciousness. While this cluster of cells hasn't had its first thought, the mother is a developed human being with deep emotions and intellectual ability. Tell me, by your logic, should we then get all the sex we can? After all, you're losing billions of genetic possibilities each day from gametes that haven't undergone fertilization.CptJSparrow
i hate that argument sperm is not even kind of the same thing as something THAT WILL BECOME a baby.... also its not that your killing anyone but that your killing the potential of a human...

The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.

notice the word "IF".... i could fly "if" i had wings......A zygote does have a possiblity, of being born as a human.... on the other hand no matter oh long u wait sperm will never be anything other then sperm....
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]The sperm will become a human if it fertilizes an egg. The zygote and the sperm are alike in that they have a genetic possibility, and that they don't have a nervous system. I guess all pro-lifes should stop masturbating now.killtactics
notice the word "IF".... i could fly "if" i had wings......A zygote does have a possiblity, of being born as a human.... on the other hand no matter oh long u wait sperm will never be anything other then sperm....

You're right. It becomes a human if it's fully ready for birth. My mistake. My point isn't that sperm itself will become humans, my point is that killing a cluster of fetal cells is the equivalent of killing sperm because you're killing a genetic possibility. There is nothing wrong with aborting something that can't feel pain and if there were, it would be wrong to kill gametes. Those are children that will never be born too!
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#50 mastershake575
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[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

It may not breath yet, but it still has a heart beat. Even in partial-birth abortion it has a heart beat. It's wrong. If you call abortion right, or an exceptable practice, you need to re-think your views my friend. It's killing something that has a heart beat. It's murder, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it.

Besides, you can acquire stem cells from umbilical chords.

CptJSparrow
The heart isn't fully developed until 12 weeks. The average fetus is aborted at or before 8 weeks...and I'm not arguing for stem cell research.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Not if the birth control goes screwy.mastershake575
its still there fault for being stupid and having sex at a young age when they barely even have a job and they can either not have sex or get there partner to use a condom there's better options then just running the alley's at night they kinda deserve it

Are you telling me that all abortions are done amongst unemployed teenagers? If so then you're wrong.

i never said they were unemployed i had they barely have a job like they work 20 hours a week getting minum wage and most girls that want a abortion deserve it they should of either kept there pants on, had there partner use a condom and used the pill instead of roaming the streets at night