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I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
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Def_Jef88
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
Def_Jef88
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America has the death penalty, and many country's with out it have alot less crime.
I believe you can't really say the entire justice system is flawed. Sometimes I hear cases where the sentencing is far too harsh for me to believe it was just...
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
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AirBorneLove
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
DejaVu72
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America has the death penalty, and many country's with out it have alot less crime.
I believe you can't really say the entire justice system is flawed. Sometimes I hear cases where the sentencing is far too harsh for me to believe it was just...
I also hear waay to many times when a child molester gets six years. That not only too lineant, thats absurd.[QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
Def_Jef88
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
A woman was sentenced to 3 years jail(down from 8 ) for giving her son some beer on his 15th birthday. Really it's so weak. :roll:darklord888
what was the charge? by the way you have the article?
[QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
Def_Jef88
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
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What if they get overcrowded by robbers, burglars, prositutes, pot-smokers and other petty criminals? Do we put a bullet through their head?[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
Def_Jef88
Okay, sorry if there is no spacing in my message (It's a glitch)
America has the death penalty, and many country's with out it have alot less crime.
I believe you can't really say the entire justice system is flawed. Sometimes I hear cases where the sentencing is far too harsh for me to believe it was just...
I also hear waay to many times when a child molester gets six years. That not only too lineant, thats absurd.Yeah. Like, this one time, someone on GS posted an article about a 17 year old kid who was convicted of rape because he had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. I think that 6 years is too easy on someone like that. A case like that deserves nothing less than hanging.
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
MrGeezer
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
i remember you your that guy who complained about never having a gf or something right
[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
Def_Jef88
Okay, sorry if there is no spacing in my message (It's a glitch)
America has the death penalty, and many country's with out it have alot less crime.
I believe you can't really say the entire justice system is flawed. Sometimes I hear cases where the sentencing is far too harsh for me to believe it was just...
I also hear waay to many times when a child molester gets six years. That not only too lineant, thats absurd.sorry if there is no spacing in my message (It's a glitch)
Everyone can think of story's where the sentence was too harsh, or the sentence was to weak.
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
DejaVu72
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
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What if they get overcrowded by robbers, burglars, prositutes, pot-smokers and other petty criminals? Do we put a bullet through their head?
thats the thing i mean whats america going to do about over crowded prisons, build more prisons or what
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
AirBorneLove
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
i remember you your that guy who complained about never having a gf or something right
I'm a stoic. I never complain about anything.
Not that I see what that question has to do with the topic at hand...
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
MrGeezer
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
Yeah, so would spending 25 to life in jail. I dont mean the ones who were found guilty, I mean all the ones who without a doubt did it (like there is undeniable proof).Example: Where I live, a police officer stopped a car which was being driven by Illegal Immigrant. ( the only point in knowing that is that they were doing something illegal). Anyways, they end up shooting the officer and running over him before taking off. This was of course, caught on the officers car's camera. IMO, they deserve nothing better than death. Which s one reason id never make it as an officer. Id probably end up killing someone.
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
MrGeezer
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
they need to treat people like in Roaton(central america) there jails have nothing cept the hard floor and if no family gives u food u WILL starve to death. the local homeless dogs get treated better than you. no beds or water or food or comfort no nothing unless someone feels like giving u somethiing
[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
AirBorneLove
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
sorry if there is no spacing in my message (It's a glitch)
What if they get overcrowded by robbers, burglars, prositutes, pot-smokers and other petty criminals? Do we put a bullet through their head?
thats the thing i mean whats america going to do about over crowded prisons, build more prisons or what
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When there is a 10-mile radius of no McDonalds', what do we do...build more McDonalds .Same with wal-mart. America is FILLED with open land. It's not as if we live in Bangladesh...
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
coolasj19
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
they need to treat people like in Roaton(central america) there jails have nothing cept the hard floor and if no family gives u food u WILL starve to death. the local homeless dogs get treated better than you. no beds or water or food or comfort no nothing unless someone feels like giving u somethiing
Hypothetical situation...your mother gets arrested for selling cocaine. She gets arrested. She is so mistreated in prison that she dies. It is later found out that she never had anything to do with cocaine. You complain about how she was allowed to slowly and torturously die even though she was completely innocent. Prison officials respond by saying "**** her, man. I don't care. It's not like she was MY mom. Sucks for you."
Question...is that acceptable, or not?
The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.hillelslovakWell, I'm quite concerned with everyone's rights. By allowing one person some rights, you are not denying another person's rights or something. I mean, I don't think you have the right to just strike back right as hard. As far as I see it, that desire is a form of oppression.
The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.hillelslovak
This is very true. Even here in Canada, the prisoners are treated way too lightly.
The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.hillelslovak
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To your death idea: Murderers are mentally ill a large majority of the time. There are MANY treatable mental illnesses...
To your Rape idea:Let's define "Rape" a little better, before we go taking away 1/3 of someone's life...
Toyourdrugidea:Drugs are not harming ANY one but the user.
And if the user harms anyone else, that's a different charge
[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.warriortyson
This is very true. Even here in Canada, the prisoners are treated way too lightly.
it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
[QUOTE="warriortyson"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.AirBorneLove
This is very true. Even here in Canada, the prisoners are treated way too lightly.
it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
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Why don't we just kill jaywalkers, robbers and speeders so we don't have to put up with them again.
YAY for primitive culture
Ah, so we should try to mimic totalitarian emperial Japan's techniques, eh? that is not morally acceptable to me and I hope it is not to you. And you must be really old to remember that and really naive to believe that stops crime. Crime is not stopped with fear, I'll tell you that.it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
AirBorneLove
[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.DejaVu72
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To your death idea: Murderers are mentally ill a large majority of the time. There are MANY treatable mental illnesses...
To your Rape idea:Let's define "Rape" a little better, before we go taking away 1/3 of someone's life...
Toyourdrugidea:Drugs are not harming ANY one but the user.
And if the user harms anyone else, that's a different charge
I don't believe punishment accomplishes much.quiglythegreat
You are right. Why can't we have a system like China where if you rape, murder orcommit a sexual offense the best sentence you receive is a quick bullet to the head. That would lower crime ratings and keep prisons empty.
But I am just ranting right now.
[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The justice system is way too lenient. People in the system are more worried about the rights of murderers than the rights of the families of the victims. If you murder someone, you should be put to death, period. And if you sell drugs, you should get a very high sentence as well. Rape should be a 25 year sentence. And repeat offenders get life. Thats what you call a criminal detterent.Def_Jef88
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To your death idea: Murderers are mentally ill a large majority of the time. There are MANY treatable mental illnesses...
To your Rape idea:Let's define "Rape" a little better, before we go taking away 1/3 of someone's life...
Toyourdrugidea:Drugs are not harming ANY one but the user.
And if the user harms anyone else, that's a different charge
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It's not the dealer's fault. Many people do drugs, and their lives don't get ruined.Alcohol has ruined lives, yet bartenders aren't arrested...
[QUOTE="AirBorneLove"]Ah, so we should try to mimic totalitarian emperial Japan's techniques, eh? that is not morally acceptable to me and I hope it is not to you. And you must be really old to remember that and really naive to believe that stops crime. Crime is not stopped with fear, I'll tell you that.it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
quiglythegreat
no im not saying we should do that, the point i was making is..if charges and the sentencing guideline was more harsh and kicked up a notch people would be afraid to break the law. I mean think about those kids who jumped me...if they had in mind that they were going to get jail time if they robbed/jumped me like that they most likely wouldn't have done it. But they knew they were just going to get some community service and probation which is nothing
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"]Ah, so we should try to mimic totalitarian emperial Japan's techniques, eh? that is not morally acceptable to me and I hope it is not to you. And you must be really old to remember that and really naive to believe that stops crime. Crime is not stopped with fear, I'll tell you that.it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
AirBorneLove
no im not saying we should do that, the point i was making is..if charges and the sentencing guideline was more harsh and kicked up a notch people would be afraid to break the law. I mean think about those kids who jumped me...if they had in mind that they were going to get jail time if they robbed/jumped me like that they most likely wouldn't have done it. But they knew they were just going to get some community service and probation which is nothing
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Theydidn'tKNOWtheywouldgetprobation.I'm pretty sure murderers know they could face death or a life in prison...
[QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"]Ah, so we should try to mimic totalitarian emperial Japan's techniques, eh? that is not morally acceptable to me and I hope it is not to you. And you must be really old to remember that and really naive to believe that stops crime. Crime is not stopped with fear, I'll tell you that.it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
DejaVu72
no im not saying we should do that, the point i was making is..if charges and the sentencing guideline was more harsh and kicked up a notch people would be afraid to break the law. I mean think about those kids who jumped me...if they had in mind that they were going to get jail time if they robbed/jumped me like that they most likely wouldn't have done it. But they knew they were just going to get some community service and probation which is nothing
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Theydidn'tKNOWtheywouldgetprobation.I'm pretty sure murderers know they could face death or a life in prison...
problem is..wow...i mean the cops usually never catch them and now that they did, they get probation, really F ed up..
[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"]Ah, so we should try to mimic totalitarian emperial Japan's techniques, eh? that is not morally acceptable to me and I hope it is not to you. And you must be really old to remember that and really naive to believe that stops crime. Crime is not stopped with fear, I'll tell you that.it's because of this noone in america is afraid to break the law. If sentencing guidelines were kicked it up a notch people would be more afraid of breaking the law. For example i remember when japan had control over china and tiawan..when the chinese people broke any laws the japanese would just cut off one of their body parts. If you rob someone...well then there goes your hands...With this system noone broke the law, the police stations had like 1 officer.
AirBorneLove
no im not saying we should do that, the point i was making is..if charges and the sentencing guideline was more harsh and kicked up a notch people would be afraid to break the law. I mean think about those kids who jumped me...if they had in mind that they were going to get jail time if they robbed/jumped me like that they most likely wouldn't have done it. But they knew they were just going to get some community service and probation which is nothing
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Theydidn'tKNOWtheywouldgetprobation.I'm pretty sure murderers know they could face death or a life in prison...
problem is..wow...i mean the cops usually never catch them and now that they did, they get probation, really F ed up..
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But there are millions of story's of people getting punished to harshly
well, from some of the nastier statistics I've read:
15% of homicides in some cities are committed by people who have been atleast suspects in other murder cases within 1 year of their conviction.
80-90% of all assailants and victims in homicides in the US have existing criminal records.
1/3 of the victims of homicides in some cities had spent time in jail within 3 months of their murder
Yeah, the US does seem to be a bit to easy on the criminals. One statistic I haven't seen, and would be interested in seeing, if anyone has stumbled across it, please post, what percentage of former prisoners end up being convicted of crimes after their release from prison.
I mean, there have been several stories where people have gone from being downright evil to being reformed. One of the most famous killers of the American Old West was John Wesley Hardin. He killed dozens of people, spent around 2 decades or so in prison, during his stay in prison he studied law and managed to learn enough that he passed the bar exam to practice law, got out some time in the 1890s and lived the rest of his life as a lawyer.
[QUOTE="coolasj19"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="AirBorneLove"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]I do beleive the justice system is waay to lineant. I mean, look at al those other countries with extremely harsh sentences. They generally have less crime.
hmmm....
MrGeezer
i was thinking it's because of the over crowding of america's prisons, i mean...is that the reason for these linient sentences?
Simple. Go through and pick out all the rapist, murderers and child molesters. Now put a bullet in their head.Now you have more prison space, and a hell of alot less wasted tax payers money.
That'd sure suck for the ones who didn't do it.
they need to treat people like in Roaton(central america) there jails have nothing cept the hard floor and if no family gives u food u WILL starve to death. the local homeless dogs get treated better than you. no beds or water or food or comfort no nothing unless someone feels like giving u somethiing
Hypothetical situation...your mother gets arrested for selling cocaine. She gets arrested. She is so mistreated in prison that she dies. It is later found out that she never had anything to do with cocaine. You complain about how she was allowed to slowly and torturously die even though she was completely innocent. Prison officials respond by saying "**** her, man. I don't care. It's not like she was MY mom. Sucks for you."
Question...is that acceptable, or not?
In that situation, assuming you were relating that to what you quoted, I'd hope you cared enough about your mother to bring her food and medicine.
http://wjz.com/breakingnewsalerts/local_story_009042847.html
"(WJZ/AP)Baltimore, MD The funeral arrangements are set for Baltimore police Detective Troy Chesley, who was shot and killed early Tuesday.
The viewings are scheduled for 10 am until 6 pm this Sunday and Monday at March Funeral Home at 43-hundred Wabash Avenue.
The funeral will begin Tuesday at 11 am at New Shiloh Baptist Church on North Monroe Street in Baltimore.
Chesley was killed by a man who had been arrested 17 times in recent years. He was charged Tuesday with killing Chesley in an early morning robbery attempt, prompting grieving and angry police officials to express outrage that the suspect wasn't in jail.
As WJZ's Mike Hellgren reports, it was the third violent attack against a city officer in three months.
Brandon Grimes, 21, was charged with first-degree murder for allegedly shooting Detective Troy Chesley Sr. to death shortly after he got off work at 1 a.m. In the last 31/2 years, Grimes had been charged with handgun, drug and car theft crimes and mostly avoided lengthy jail time, except for a six-month sentence for violating probation in 2005.
Police Commissioner Leonard Hamm said agencies comprising the city's criminal justice system that are often are at odds with each other as they grapple with high crime rates must take a hard look at a system that allows people like Grimes to roam the streets.
"We need to stop being petty," Hamm said. "We need to put our egos at the door and concentrate on people like Brandon Grimes."
In March, Grimes posted $45,000 bail to get out of jail on one handgun charge. He then got out of jail again a month later on $100,000 bail. His trial on the gun charges was scheduled to begin Wednesday in Baltimore Circuit Court. On the second handgun charge, prosecutors had recommended $500,000 bail, citing that Grimes posed a danger to the community.
Col. Frederick Bealefeld, chief of the police department's detective unit, angrily pointed out that police had risked their lives twice before to take guns away from Grimes -- only to see him get another gun and murder "one of our brothers" a day before his trial.
"This is the sort of mayhem and craziness that we see all to often," Bealefeld said at a news conference at police headquarters.
Grimes and Chesley, 34, exchanged gunfire in front of Chesley's girlfriend's home in West Baltimore at 1:20 a.m. Grimes was badly wounded in the leg in the shootout, and police tracked him down at St. Agnes Hospital where he was being treated. Grimes was at the hospital Tuesday night under guard.
Bealefeld said there was no indication that Grimes knew Chesley was a police officer, and it appears he acted alone.
Chesley's death was the latest killing in a city that has seen an upswing in violence early this year. He was the 10th homicide victim in the first nine days of 2007 and his death was followed by two more killings Tuesday.
Grimes pleaded guilty in 2004 to auto theft, receiving a 10-year prison sentence. But the sentence was suspended, except for about three months of time he had already served, according to court records.He ended up getting a six month prison term in 2005 for violating probation, the only significant jail time he has received.
Grimes also was arrested in November for fourth-degree breaking and entering as well as two drug charges, according to court records.
Chesley leaves behind two sons, ages 12 and 14. The mother of one of the children died of a heart attack in 2004.
Lt. Paul Blair Jr., president of the city chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, said officers need to be more careful. He said too many officers may believe they have "cheated death another day" when their shifts end, only to forget about late-night dangers on city streets as they go home.
"It just seems maybe our guys just can't stop dropping their guard when they finish up their day," Blair said.
Blair also said many criminals seem to have no fear of police, a condition he attributed partly to a reluctance to pursue death penalty cases against people convicted of killing officers in the city.
Sen. Nathaniel McFadden, D-Baltimore, said a lack of respect for police is "to the point now where you can't stand it anymore."
"In too many parts of our city, there seems to be a lack of respect for authority," McFadden said.
Criminals won't hesitate to kill, Blair said, even when carrying out petty crimes. "I've seen them kill for minor street robberies of $10, and they kill the person because they looked at them wrong," he said.
Last month, another officer was injured during what authorities believe was a robbery attempt. Momudu Gondo was wounded Dec. 5 as he got out of his car near his home in Northeast Baltimore. Police arrested a suspect about a week later. Gondo, who also returned fire at his assailants, was wearing a ballistic vest and survived the shooting.
In November, Sgt. Christopher Nyberg managed to disarm a would-be robber who held a knife to his throat, Blair said. Nyberg, a former Marine, then reached for his service weapon and shot two of the four people who tried to rob him as he walked home in the Federal Hill neighborhood.
Also, in September, Officer Robert Cirello was shot while on patrol in Patterson Park. He was wearing body armor and survived.
Chesley wasn't wearing a protective vest, police said, and he was in plain clothes. He was a 13-year-veteran who worked in the unit assigned to work in public housing.
Blair said unseasonably warm temperatures could be playing a role in the recent spike in homicides. "This is thug weather," Blair said. "It's a mild winter so far, and the thugs get to rob day and night."
Baltimore finished 2006 with 275 homicides, up six from the year before.
Chesley, who received a commendation in 1998 for leading several people from a burning building, also appeared in a 2005 police DVD called "Keep Talking." The DVD, which was distributed around the city, was designed to counter a DVD made by drug dealers titled "Stop Snitching." The street video was made to discourage residents from talking to police.
As police searched the scene of Chesley's death early Tuesday with flashlights, a woman across the street watched.
She described to a reporter how she heard a sudden, quick burst of gunfire and how she was afraid to look outside. Hours after the shooting, she still didn't want to give her name for publication. "I don't want anyone coming after me," she said."
The real problem isn't the extend of the punishments but the fact that it's so easy to get away with crimes. If people knew there was a very VERY high chance of getting caught they'd be less inclined to do so.
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