Do you love cereal? Vegan ftw (:

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Tons of small animals die by being mangled by farming equipment during harvests. Vegans kill animals too.HorseVillain

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Tons of small animals die by being mangled by farming equipment during harvests. Vegans kill animals too.Rougehunter

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

Do you love cereal and hate meat? Become a vegan today! Join the revolution! :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzc9rMzTv2w

But seriously, slaughtering animals is not right. Have you seen videos on what they do to animals? It's disgusting and cruel. Animal testing isn't right either. Animals also have hearts. They're not things you can just mess around with. I hate how people treat animals like they're some piece of trash..
Cereal ftw.
:)

XEscapeTheFateX

I could never live without milk.

TC I'm going to McDonald's today... I hadn't planned to, but I'm doing it just for you.

[QUOTE="HorseVillain"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Tons of small animals die by being mangled by farming equipment during harvests. Vegans kill animals too.Rougehunter

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="HorseVillain"]

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

GettingTired

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="HorseVillain"]

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

EMOEVOLUTION

cereal is good, but not meat good

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]At least when an animal is killed in a slaughterhouse its being put to use rather then rot in a field.

Rougehunter

I like cereal but not enough to become i vegan...i enjoy hamburgers and steak just as much...

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[QUOTE="GettingTired"] Does it really matter? The point of veganism is to reduce suffering. Cattle and other farm animals consume an exponentially greater amount crops than humans consume, so by eating meat you are contributing even more to animals killed by crop harvesting. If there was a greater respect for animals, then certainly ways to avoid such an occurrence would be put more into the spotlight. GettingTired

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[QUOTE="GettingTired"] Does it really matter? The point of veganism is to reduce suffering. Cattle and other farm animals consume an exponentially greater amount crops than humans consume, so by eating meat you are contributing even more to animals killed by crop harvesting. If there was a greater respect for animals, then certainly ways to avoid such an occurrence would be put more into the spotlight. GettingTired

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]Umm, We are the top predator of this planet. It's our nature to kill for food. We've been doing it for thousands of years long before the idea of being vegan existed.

Rougehunter

I don't like it anymore :(

Suffering is a beautiful thing. If you removed all suffering from the world you'd never be able to appreciate not suffering. Honestly, death is not a horrible thing. The consumption of animals can be done in a very respectful way. OF course, the current way in how meat is processed isn't that ideal. Most people have never had the experience of being the connection you get with hunting and processing your own meat.. they become removed from it. I think.. nobody should be allowed to eat meat untill they've killed an animal with their own hands and then processed them for consumption. It's a natural thing that should not be feared. The mass slaughtering of animals though so people can consume meat on a daily basis.. is a horrible product of industrialized society... unfortunately.EMOEVOLUTION

How is causing suffering of an innocent for the sake of pleasure a beautiful thing? Suffering occurs, but that doesn't mean it's justified for me to go out and torture someone for the "beauty" of it all. So if I had a child I could torment their life so when they reach the age of freedom they can "appreciate" it? Such an absurd argument. We have enough suffering in life that is out of our hands, so why go out of our way to cause more?

You're right, consumption of an animal can be done in a respectful way, if it's done for NECESSITY. Not desire or fun. And I think it's absurd to claim hunters are more connected for nature. Some definitely are, but many also aren't. There are plenty who have no appreciation for life. Animals are merely automatons, tools for them to take pleasure in killing. They don't see anything living, thinking, or sentient. That's not respect, beauty, or any sort of "connection". But I am glad you agree that industrialization of animals for food is a horrible thing, at least we can agree on the abhorrence of factory farming.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Suffering is a beautiful thing. If you removed all suffering from the world you'd never be able to appreciate not suffering. Honestly, death is not a horrible thing. The consumption of animals can be done in a very respectful way. OF course, the current way in how meat is processed isn't that ideal. Most people have never had the experience of being the connection you get with hunting and processing your own meat.. they become removed from it. I think.. nobody should be allowed to eat meat untill they've killed an animal with their own hands and then processed them for consumption. It's a natural thing that should not be feared. The mass slaughtering of animals though so people can consume meat on a daily basis.. is a horrible product of industrialized society... unfortunately.GettingTired

How is causing suffering of an innocent for the sake of pleasure a beautiful thing? Suffering occurs, but that doesn't mean it's justified for me to go out and torture someone for the "beauty" of it all. So if I had a child I could torment their life so when they reach the age of freedom they can "appreciate" it? Such an absurd argument. We have enough suffering in life that is out of our hands, so why go out of our way to cause more?

You're right, consumption of an animal can be done in a respectful way, if it's done for NECESSITY. Not desire or fun. And I think it's absurd to claim hunters are more connected for nature. Some definitely are, but many also aren't. There are plenty who have no appreciation for life. Animals are merely automatons, tools for them to take pleasure in killing. They don't see anything living, thinking, or sentient. That's not respect, beauty, or any sort of "connection". But I am glad you agree that industrialization of animals for food is a horrible thing, at least we can agree on the abhorrence of factory farming.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Suffering is a beautiful thing. If you removed all suffering from the world you'd never be able to appreciate not suffering. Honestly, death is not a horrible thing. The consumption of animals can be done in a very respectful way. OF course, the current way in how meat is processed isn't that ideal. Most people have never had the experience of being the connection you get with hunting and processing your own meat.. they become removed from it. I think.. nobody should be allowed to eat meat untill they've killed an animal with their own hands and then processed them for consumption. It's a natural thing that should not be feared. The mass slaughtering of animals though so people can consume meat on a daily basis.. is a horrible product of industrialized society... unfortunately.EMOEVOLUTION

How is causing suffering of an innocent for the sake of pleasure a beautiful thing? Suffering occurs, but that doesn't mean it's justified for me to go out and torture someone for the "beauty" of it all. So if I had a child I could torment their life so when they reach the age of freedom they can "appreciate" it? Such an absurd argument. We have enough suffering in life that is out of our hands, so why go out of our way to cause more?

You're right, consumption of an animal can be done in a respectful way, if it's done for NECESSITY. Not desire or fun. And I think it's absurd to claim hunters are more connected for nature. Some definitely are, but many also aren't. There are plenty who have no appreciation for life. Animals are merely automatons, tools for them to take pleasure in killing. They don't see anything living, thinking, or sentient. That's not respect, beauty, or any sort of "connection". But I am glad you agree that industrialization of animals for food is a horrible thing, at least we can agree on the abhorrence of factory farming.

I own a leather coat, and have leather seats in my car it would be very hypocritical of me not to eat meat.

jrhawk42

I kinda have to laugh; I did not know people on the outside would see this as hypocritical, but:

I have worn leather jackets and coats since 8th grade, just bought a full length leather trenchcoat 3 days ago, have leather seats in my car, and have been a vegan for years.

However, I am not a vegan because of a love of animals. And in fact, if someone is gonna kill them for food, it would be a waste not to at least use their hides for something useful as I do not believe in wearing man made materials (so cotton and leather are a large part of my wardrobe).

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="HorseVillain"]

Which is irrelevant as it's unintentional.

GettingTired

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]At least when an animal is killed in a slaughterhouse its being put to use rather then rot in a field.

F1_2004

You see this in cultures that value certain animals for their healing powers or other mystical perceptions... the destruction of elephant populations.. tiger populations.. shark populations.. pretty much humans will kill of entire animal species for illogical reasons.. instead of working at living in harmony with the world around them. Clear cutting forests to create grazing land for cattle.. is a primary example of that. It's ultimately not logical.

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If you're vegan, then what the hell do you pour into a bowl of cereal?

-Pro-Link-

[QUOTE="-Pro-Link-"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

If you're vegan, then what the hell do you pour into a bowl of cereal?

JudgementEden

I was gonna say this too. I don't what what he was on.

My mother is also not a vegan, but has used soymilk instead of cow milk for a couple of years now. She likes that she can get a sweet one and not have to add sugar to her cereal (and have it vanilla flavored).

For what it's worth, I am a vegan, but I prefer rice milk. Soy milk is better for baking though (but rice is better for cooking).

Well clearly we're prepared to kill animals on a massive scale in order to provide ourselves with food and we're OK with it. So might as well eat meat. You say cattle consume far more crops than we would, but there are free-range methods of raising cattle (although clearly not as profitable/efficient) but maybe we could argue for that instead of completely changing our diet. Vegan ads and campaigns always point out how slaughterhouses kill animals and tell you "stop killing animals by going vegan", which is a load of crap.F1_2004

correct me if im wrong but arent vegans people who do not participate in anything exploiting animals?

cant have cereal without milk.

i think it would be vegetarian not vegan..

but i dont really care either way because i love steak

medium rare to be exact ;)

blood tastes good

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="-Pro-Link-"] Nasty soy milk....TBoogy

I was gonna say this too. I don't what what he was on.

My mother is also not a vegan, but has used soymilk instead of cow milk for a couple of years now. She likes that she can get a sweet one and not have to add sugar to her cereal (and have it vanilla flavored).

For what it's worth, I am a vegan, but I prefer rice milk. Soy milk is better for baking though (but rice is better for cooking).

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] What are you talking about? Soy milk isnt nasty at all. I used to drink cow milk, but have used Soy instead for a couple of years now. I can tell you Soy milk tastes better than cow milk, you just have to get used to it. I am no vegan though, I still eat meat.JudgementEden

I was gonna say this too. I don't what what he was on.

My mother is also not a vegan, but has used soymilk instead of cow milk for a couple of years now. She likes that she can get a sweet one and not have to add sugar to her cereal (and have it vanilla flavored).

For what it's worth, I am a vegan, but I prefer rice milk. Soy milk is better for baking though (but rice is better for cooking).

you might find this interesting

skim milk is actually better for you then soy milk

has less calories and fat and a few other things i cant recall (carbs, fat cal, etc etc)

its not substantially different but it is less fattening and has similar vitamins and nutrients

my mom drinks the Silk brand of soy so idk if there is different brands with less fat but im guessing its virtually the same.

soy and cows milk have different benefits so perhaps a combo of the two would be ideal

but the arguement cant really be made that cows milk is worse then soy

unless its not skim

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] Well clearly we're prepared to kill animals on a massive scale in order to provide ourselves with food and we're OK with it. So might as well eat meat. You say cattle consume far more crops than we would, but there are free-range methods of raising cattle (although clearly not as profitable/efficient) but maybe we could argue for that instead of completely changing our diet. Vegan ads and campaigns always point out how slaughterhouses kill animals and tell you "stop killing animals by going vegan", which is a load of crap.GettingTired

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] Well clearly we're prepared to kill animals on a massive scale in order to provide ourselves with food and we're OK with it. So might as well eat meat. You say cattle consume far more crops than we would, but there are free-range methods of raising cattle (although clearly not as profitable/efficient) but maybe we could argue for that instead of completely changing our diet. Vegan ads and campaigns always point out how slaughterhouses kill animals and tell you "stop killing animals by going vegan", which is a load of crap.F1_2004

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] Well clearly we're prepared to kill animals on a massive scale in order to provide ourselves with food and we're OK with it. So might as well eat meat. You say cattle consume far more crops than we would, but there are free-range methods of raising cattle (although clearly not as profitable/efficient) but maybe we could argue for that instead of completely changing our diet. Vegan ads and campaigns always point out how slaughterhouses kill animals and tell you "stop killing animals by going vegan", which is a load of crap.GettingTired

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] Well clearly we're prepared to kill animals on a massive scale in order to provide ourselves with food and we're OK with it. So might as well eat meat. You say cattle consume far more crops than we would, but there are free-range methods of raising cattle (although clearly not as profitable/efficient) but maybe we could argue for that instead of completely changing our diet. Vegan ads and campaigns always point out how slaughterhouses kill animals and tell you "stop killing animals by going vegan", which is a load of crap.bobaban

There is no way in hell that im giving up on meat. Taste to darn good. Besides, i workout alot so8) but i love veggies and fruit also so.

I will eat some cereal. But then I will cook some venison steak. Animals are not people so quit whining.Penguinchow

I will eat some cereal. But then I will cook some venison steak. Animals are not people so quit whining.Penguinchow

They feel pain...and mistreating an animal does make me feel bad...but they're here to feed us...IMO..so..i will oblige..

[QUOTE="Penguinchow"]I will eat some cereal. But then I will cook some venison steak. Animals are not people so quit whining.GettingTired

[QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="GettingTired"] Free-range methods are few and far between and would not support the American consumption of meat. But it doesn't address the issue of killing for desires sake, now does it?

GettingTired

Sorry meat tastes good. We are at the top of the food chain. Don't let your morals get in the way of survival.

Do you love cereal and hate meat? Become a vegan today! Join the revolution! :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzc9rMzTv2w

But seriously, slaughtering animals is not right. Have you seen videos on what they do to animals? It's disgusting and cruel. Animal testing isn't right either. Animals also have hearts. They're not things you can just mess around with. I hate how people treat animals like they're some piece of trash..
Cereal ftw.
:)

XEscapeTheFateX

Hey we didnt come to where we are now by eating soya beans ;)
Take a look outside, lions eat zebra thats still alive, wounded antilope is used as a toy by baby cheetahs etc. Atleast we kill them quickly...

And btw, have you ever though that maybe plants have hearts and feal too?